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Its simple, we kill the batmanOP.
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On April 10 2015 21:28 showstealer1829 wrote:
This series is the best case I've seen of an aura beating a man. Flash should be at best 1-2 down yet he's 2-1 up
Flash hasn't had a "aura" in the longest while. In fact, more recently he more viewed as an easier opponent.
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On April 10 2015 21:28 butchji wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:On April 10 2015 21:10 Musicus wrote:
Damn TB knows how to bait on twitter, sc2 pros getting mad.
And Flash is dead on this map I guess :/. well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x Don't act like a douche. This is a beta where people try out new units and stuff. Wins don't matter in the beta...
Morrow has the gall to bitch about his region-locked welfare tournament, he deserved to get ribbed for that. If you think the Winter jab was anything more than that then you're even dumbed than Miniraser.
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On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling
i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval
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WTF just happened to Gumba?!
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On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too. Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock.
For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
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On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling
His macro oriented style isn't really compatible with the current meta. I think he may come into his own in LoTV. He is too predictable and stubborn at the moment, I guess he playing to his strengths but as are seeing now players with more diverse strategies seem to be doing better currently.
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Let's see which pattern this game will follow :s
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Nyvone could you have at least waited until it was over to ban gumba?
come on, now you have to update the OP.
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On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too. Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
Well if you think about it, how many Koreans we had in WCS EU? 16? Maybe? So there was 16 open slots for EU SC2 players(+-, I know some slots went to Africa(PandaTank is the only player I know)). Now we have 10 slots? We don't have 16 for sure anymore. I would say that it's harder now to get into ro32 than before. At least for foreigner from Europe.
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On April 10 2015 21:31 stargunner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval
the criticism is justified.
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On April 10 2015 21:31 stargunner wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval
underrated post.
anyone who complains about flash pulling the boys is misunderstanding the mu. Why would you sit back and let a protoss mass a deathball when code s is on the line? That timing he hits is punishment for supers style of play.
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Tasteless raises a good point. There's no reason to not have repeat maps in a given best of X.
There are a ton of games out there with only one map in the whole game.
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On April 10 2015 21:29 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:20 y0su wrote:On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x Last year I thought it was foolish of TB to participate in this sort of discussion. However, after paying more attention to his tweets the truth comes out: TB has #passion! Seriously. Occasionally it leads to a few tweets or posts that might not be considered professional... but again, after listening long enough I've realized it's because TB isn't speaking for/about himself. He's speaking out for his TEAM, his PLAYERS, or the CONSUMERS, ultimately US. I don't agree with lot of his words, he's not talking for me.
have you read his non sc2 related tweets?
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On April 10 2015 21:35 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:31 stargunner wrote:On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval underrated post. anyone who complains about flash pulling the boys is misunderstanding the mu. Why would you sit back and let a protoss mass a deathball when code s is on the line? That timing he hits is punishment for supers style of play.
Super does not get storm (reasonably fast), so pulling is pretty effective yeah
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On April 10 2015 21:36 c0ldfusion wrote:
Tasteless raises a good point. There's no reason to not have repeat maps in a given best of X.
There are a ton of games out there with only one map in the whole game.
this used to be the case in BW.
all individual leagues had a set standard of only 4 maps, when they reached the Bo5 stage, they'd just repeat the first map for the last map.
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On April 10 2015 21:35 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:31 stargunner wrote:On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval underrated post. anyone who complains about flash pulling the boys is misunderstanding the mu. Why would you sit back and let a protoss mass a deathball when code s is on the line? That timing he hits is punishment for supers style of play.
People are mostly complaining that Flash doesn't seem to use SCV pulling as one of his tricks but he seems to rely on it.
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On April 10 2015 21:35 Exstasy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:31 stargunner wrote:On April 10 2015 21:29 Topdoller wrote:
Flash still does not convince me at all, a Protoss like Rain, i think would stomp him hard, if all he has in his locker is SCV pulling i'm sure he's eagerly yearning for your approval underrated post. anyone who complains about flash pulling the boys is misunderstanding the mu. Why would you sit back and let a protoss mass a deathball when code s is on the line? That timing he hits is punishment for supers style of play.
If he only did because Code S was on the line and was punishing timings then I'd agree but this is Flash, he does in EVERY game. Not just the important ones
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On April 10 2015 21:31 showstealer1829 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2015 21:28 Musicus wrote:On April 10 2015 21:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:20 Big J wrote:On April 10 2015 21:14 TotalBiscuit wrote:On April 10 2015 21:11 Alchemik wrote:well, TB did act dumb here If by dumb you mean, baited out a couple of entitled mid-tier foreigners, sure. They really should be grateful. WCS Worlds is welfare in its current state, it's money none of them would be able to earn legitimately if they had to compete with the Koreans and yet they still have the gall to bitch? Yeah ok sure."Hey I was on Skype with friends playing LOTV so that's why I lost to Winter". Yeah? My guys were practicing, just like the rest of the Koreans, while you were fucking around with your friends on Skype and losing to a guy that beats up gold leaguers for a living, maybe that's why you can't compete with Koreans, Mr "Africa doesn't have computers" Morrow :x oh come on. GSL and S2SL have their own form of region lock by making it offline monthlong. If it was a weekend tournament with the qualifiers being held online, maybe even on alternating servers, we'd be seeing foreigners trying too. Not that they'd be winning a lot, but calling WCS welfare because there are certain rules to make it impossible that you can just play the one WCS-tournament for the rest of the world if you don't feel like playing the two Korean-specific alternatives is quite pushing it. "foreigners trying" and not getting past the qualifying stage yes. Every week there are qualifiers harder than WCS Worlds for events like IEM. Worlds is Welfare. But isn't the welfare needed? WCS S1 is was a great success and the foreign scene needed that I think. Koreans can still compete there if they live and practice there, which seems fair compared to flying in and out. If Korea's football league wanted to improve, flying German and Spain teams in and out wouldn't really help. If the teams moved there and were available for practice matches all year long that's a different matter though. I think the semi region lock works out really good so far for WCS and seems fair. Korea has double leagues and SPL now, over all the tournament scene seems globally very balanced to me. Eeverything besides WCS Premiere is completely open, only this one tournament has a soft region lock. For all the talk of how WCS is supposed to be helping the foreign scene it was STILL two Koreans in the final. If anything I'd argue that just set the scene 3 steps backwards
Except its not about nationalities... its about them actually living there and practicing there! Not just fly there to pick up money. Its not like 10th team from spanish league flying to Malta every sunday to play league game and winning their league to get into champions league... while still getting money and all advantages of being in spain... They are dedicated for NA or EU and they live there and play there, no problem with that.
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