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sibs
635 Posts
On March 22 2015 23:26 Deathstar wrote: one day protoss will have their time in the sun You guys had a very nice string on HOTS no  ? Just to reiterate there are good arguments to be made for MVP being the GOAT, but having a harder meta is not one. | ||
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checkupriv
204 Posts
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 22 2015 23:29 sibs wrote: You guys had a very nice string on HOTS no ? Just to reiterate there are good arguments to be made for MVP being the GOAT, but having a harder meta is not one. MVP had to fight against more terrans. Terrans are the most skilled players according to popular opinion. This means MVP had the harder meta! POW!  | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
On March 22 2015 23:26 Deathstar wrote: one day protoss will have their time in the sun They already have, sad thing is they had three different champions instead of a dominant player during that era (Dear, Zest were very dominant for a short while and Classic had an extraordinary run). Rain, Zest, herO are all very good but they lack something to stand next to Life and Mvp who are of a very special kind. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 22 2015 23:40 [PkF] Wire wrote: They already have, sad thing is they had three different champions instead of a dominant player during that era (Dear, Zest were very dominant for a short while and Classic had an extraordinary run). Rain, Zest, herO are all very good but they lack something to stand next to Life and Mvp who are of a very special kind. Just wait a bit, now that Zest is back on track he's going to be the one and true GOAT. | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
From the perspective of discussing this 10 years from now ofc | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On March 22 2015 23:49 REyeM wrote: GOAT will probably be some kid thats sitting in his moms basement somewhere in Korea and thinking about applying for rookie league From the perspective of discussing this 10 years from now ofc Artosis' daughter ? | ||
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REyeM
2674 Posts
Maybe. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
Isn't Artosis' daughter supposed to become the GOAT at PassionStone? | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
I've read your arguments but none of you have made a compelling argument. All you've done is yell revisionist history. | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 23 2015 00:27 stuchiu wrote: You guys make it sound like just cause it was GomTvT that Mvp was supposed to auto-win against his fellow Terrans. He played TOP, MKP, and MMA in 5 different finals. The only weak one was TOP and even then TOP had already proven himself to be a top tier TvT player before he got smashed by TvT. I've read your arguments but none of you have made a compelling argument. All you've done is yell revisionist history. Funny thing is that people tend to praise players that won during terran dominance but when it is zerg or protoss they are called patchzerg´s/protoss. When your race is dominant what matters the most is your mirror matchup. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 23 2015 00:27 stuchiu wrote: You guys make it sound like just cause it was GomTvT that Mvp was supposed to auto-win against his fellow Terrans. He played TOP, MKP, and MMA in 5 different finals. The only weak one was TOP and even then TOP had already proven himself to be a top tier TvT player before he got smashed by TvT. I've read your arguments but none of you have made a compelling argument. All you've done is yell revisionist history. Why do some people consider Zest's run at KeSPA Cup (or anyone's run in any tournament during an era when his race was dominating) as less valuable then? The Protosses he beat were no scrubs either. | ||
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sibs
635 Posts
On March 23 2015 00:27 stuchiu wrote: You guys make it sound like just cause it was GomTvT that Mvp was supposed to auto-win against his fellow Terrans. He played TOP, MKP, and MMA in 5 different finals. The only weak one was TOP and even then TOP had already proven himself to be a top tier TvT player before he got smashed by TvT. I've read your arguments but none of you have made a compelling argument. All you've done is yell revisionist history. One of your arguments was that Life had an easier Meta than Mvp which is just objectively wrong and shows "some" bias, maybe if Mvp had played and done well during the 8 or so months of Protoss faceroll in HOTS but no, almost all of his success comes from gomTvT..... Your other points are sort of meh, such as who "innovated" more just completely subjective, I can't even begin to quantify this, maybe if they played the same race, even just counting premier's doesn't seem that fair to me, the level of talent on the game is so much higher, it's not that players just got better, it's that we had a huge influx of highly talented players (kespa switch), so it's much harder to win things, even foreign tournaments have much much more raw talent, they're not fielded by BITBYBIT with another 2 koreans and a bunch of foreigners, you can't equate a 2015 GSL with a 2011 GSL and think that's a 100% fair comparison, if you're willing to make this leap that this is a 100% comparison sure go ahead and say Mvp is the best. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
I hope you face your lose streak Life and suffer | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On March 23 2015 01:15 Deathstar wrote: Even though Parting lost, he made a very strong run. WP Parting. I hope you face your lose streak Life and suffer Life hasn't exactly had an easy time either. Winning every series he wins on the ace match and he's looked quite vulnerable to similarly leveled players as of recent :o | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_Global_StarCraft_II_League_Season_2/Code_S | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 23 2015 01:18 SC2Toastie wrote: Life hasn't exactly had an easy time either. Winning every series he wins on the ace match and he's looked quite vulnerable to similarly leveled players as of recent :o KT pressure. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
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Topin
Peru10128 Posts
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