EPTOn March 22 2015 19:27 bo1b wrote:
Which is still irrelevant to the discussion lol. I'm not debating who was the most successful.
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On March 22 2015 19:24 ETisME wrote:
he was good enough to get into GSL finals against the top performer of the "OP" race at the time and he was still top performing and almost took out life. He was the most consistent top player ignoring the race balance.
Unlike innovation who only looked strong during the peak of terran
On March 22 2015 19:17 bo1b wrote:
No "aura of invincibility" has ever looked as staggering as a person who failed to defeat someone else, you're completely right.
Which is very different to "innovation is just going to win" until he didn't.
On March 22 2015 19:15 ETisME wrote:
Plus Mvp more or less perfected the TvZ hellion banshee.
And he was one of the few who could play bio equally as well as mech.
he almost took out life when zerg was overwhelming the balance
he took out squirtle who looked like the best protoss we ever had
On March 22 2015 19:09 Wildmoon wrote:
Mvp's aura far exceed Innovation's imo. Mvp at his peak was viewed as Invincible and expected win any tournaments he entered.
On March 22 2015 19:07 bo1b wrote:
I'm not talking about successful as such as I am "aura of invincibility", does anyone seriously think that mvp's perdiod of dominance was as intimidating as innovations? Like the guy was a monster.
"Stale build orders", hellbats etc do nothing to disprove that in his period of dominance, for however long it was, was probably the hardest hitting period there was.
On March 22 2015 18:41 Wildmoon wrote:
Innovation didn't even come close. His reign was very short.
On March 22 2015 18:32 bo1b wrote:
mvp's "aura of invincibility' was far lesser then innovations, lifes etc. People rewrite history far too much with him in order to fit some narrative they absolutely must have.
On March 22 2015 18:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
Like others have said, during MVP's god year, he basically won everything, and no player comes close to having that aura of invincibility. When he joined a tournament, odds are you bet your money on him. I remember when him and Nestea were still shoulder to shoulder with regards to gsl wins, and people were wondering how their rivalry would end up. Well, it became obvious when MVP trounced over him several times. He wasn't this cookie cutter terran with superb mechanics (though in his prime before his wrist issues, he was a mechanical beast) like Innovation. He did builds that made your jaw drop. Like, it would be unorthodox, but a it unraveled throughout the game, you would slowly see the genius behind it. Everything just went according to plan, as if MVP just predicts the future and his opponent plays into his plans perfectly.
His character was also interesting. I remember he wasn't the player who was a huge turn on. He wasn't flashy, in fact most people found him boring and dull. But he gave 0 fucks. Who cares if his mouth is wide open while playing? He just destroys his opponents regardless.
Like others have said, during MVP's god year, he basically won everything, and no player comes close to having that aura of invincibility. When he joined a tournament, odds are you bet your money on him. I remember when him and Nestea were still shoulder to shoulder with regards to gsl wins, and people were wondering how their rivalry would end up. Well, it became obvious when MVP trounced over him several times. He wasn't this cookie cutter terran with superb mechanics (though in his prime before his wrist issues, he was a mechanical beast) like Innovation. He did builds that made your jaw drop. Like, it would be unorthodox, but a it unraveled throughout the game, you would slowly see the genius behind it. Everything just went according to plan, as if MVP just predicts the future and his opponent plays into his plans perfectly.
His character was also interesting. I remember he wasn't the player who was a huge turn on. He wasn't flashy, in fact most people found him boring and dull. But he gave 0 fucks. Who cares if his mouth is wide open while playing? He just destroys his opponents regardless.
mvp's "aura of invincibility' was far lesser then innovations, lifes etc. People rewrite history far too much with him in order to fit some narrative they absolutely must have.
Innovation didn't even come close. His reign was very short.
I'm not talking about successful as such as I am "aura of invincibility", does anyone seriously think that mvp's perdiod of dominance was as intimidating as innovations? Like the guy was a monster.
"Stale build orders", hellbats etc do nothing to disprove that in his period of dominance, for however long it was, was probably the hardest hitting period there was.
Mvp's aura far exceed Innovation's imo. Mvp at his peak was viewed as Invincible and expected win any tournaments he entered.
Plus Mvp more or less perfected the TvZ hellion banshee.
And he was one of the few who could play bio equally as well as mech.
he almost took out life when zerg was overwhelming the balance
he took out squirtle who looked like the best protoss we ever had
No "aura of invincibility" has ever looked as staggering as a person who failed to defeat someone else, you're completely right.
On March 22 2015 19:16 Inflicted wrote:
Mvp beat NesTea in most of their encounters. It was more "If Mvp doesn't win, then NesTea will".
On March 22 2015 19:12 bo1b wrote:
What? Was this during the same period of time he was competing with nestea, or the time that mkp and drg were winning the non gsl events, or when he got beaten by mma in gsl? It's hard to argue he was the greatest sc2 player so far, but come on...
On March 22 2015 19:09 Wildmoon wrote:
Mvp's aura far exceed Innovation's imo. Mvp at his peak was viewed as Invincible and expected win any tournaments he entered.
On March 22 2015 19:07 bo1b wrote:
I'm not talking about successful as such as I am "aura of invincibility", does anyone seriously think that mvp's perdiod of dominance was as intimidating as innovations? Like the guy was a monster.
"Stale build orders", hellbats etc do nothing to disprove that in his period of dominance, for however long it was, was probably the hardest hitting period there was.
On March 22 2015 18:41 Wildmoon wrote:
Innovation didn't even come close. His reign was very short.
On March 22 2015 18:32 bo1b wrote:
mvp's "aura of invincibility' was far lesser then innovations, lifes etc. People rewrite history far too much with him in order to fit some narrative they absolutely must have.
On March 22 2015 18:22 Dreamer.T wrote:
Like others have said, during MVP's god year, he basically won everything, and no player comes close to having that aura of invincibility. When he joined a tournament, odds are you bet your money on him. I remember when him and Nestea were still shoulder to shoulder with regards to gsl wins, and people were wondering how their rivalry would end up. Well, it became obvious when MVP trounced over him several times. He wasn't this cookie cutter terran with superb mechanics (though in his prime before his wrist issues, he was a mechanical beast) like Innovation. He did builds that made your jaw drop. Like, it would be unorthodox, but a it unraveled throughout the game, you would slowly see the genius behind it. Everything just went according to plan, as if MVP just predicts the future and his opponent plays into his plans perfectly.
His character was also interesting. I remember he wasn't the player who was a huge turn on. He wasn't flashy, in fact most people found him boring and dull. But he gave 0 fucks. Who cares if his mouth is wide open while playing? He just destroys his opponents regardless.
Like others have said, during MVP's god year, he basically won everything, and no player comes close to having that aura of invincibility. When he joined a tournament, odds are you bet your money on him. I remember when him and Nestea were still shoulder to shoulder with regards to gsl wins, and people were wondering how their rivalry would end up. Well, it became obvious when MVP trounced over him several times. He wasn't this cookie cutter terran with superb mechanics (though in his prime before his wrist issues, he was a mechanical beast) like Innovation. He did builds that made your jaw drop. Like, it would be unorthodox, but a it unraveled throughout the game, you would slowly see the genius behind it. Everything just went according to plan, as if MVP just predicts the future and his opponent plays into his plans perfectly.
His character was also interesting. I remember he wasn't the player who was a huge turn on. He wasn't flashy, in fact most people found him boring and dull. But he gave 0 fucks. Who cares if his mouth is wide open while playing? He just destroys his opponents regardless.
mvp's "aura of invincibility' was far lesser then innovations, lifes etc. People rewrite history far too much with him in order to fit some narrative they absolutely must have.
Innovation didn't even come close. His reign was very short.
I'm not talking about successful as such as I am "aura of invincibility", does anyone seriously think that mvp's perdiod of dominance was as intimidating as innovations? Like the guy was a monster.
"Stale build orders", hellbats etc do nothing to disprove that in his period of dominance, for however long it was, was probably the hardest hitting period there was.
Mvp's aura far exceed Innovation's imo. Mvp at his peak was viewed as Invincible and expected win any tournaments he entered.
What? Was this during the same period of time he was competing with nestea, or the time that mkp and drg were winning the non gsl events, or when he got beaten by mma in gsl? It's hard to argue he was the greatest sc2 player so far, but come on...
Mvp beat NesTea in most of their encounters. It was more "If Mvp doesn't win, then NesTea will".
Which is very different to "innovation is just going to win" until he didn't.
he was good enough to get into GSL finals against the top performer of the "OP" race at the time and he was still top performing and almost took out life. He was the most consistent top player ignoring the race balance.
Unlike innovation who only looked strong during the peak of terran
Which is still irrelevant to the discussion lol. I'm not debating who was the most successful.
Ok, I'm seeing what you're referring to. Though I personally still think that Mvp prime displayed the most dominant games, I nevertheless agree that Innovation's early HotS hellbat TVZ reign of terror was one of the most dominant displays of raw skill. You can argue that maybe one of his games against zerg opponents was the most lop-sided beat-down in the history of sc2. It just didn't last long compared to Mvp's extended period of dominance.
