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On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility.
Which there were very, very convincing glimpses of when Life won Blizzcon and wreaked havoc at Dreamhack and IEM. If Life continues to perform and makes one or two more finals this year, I don't think anyone can doubt that he is, at the very least, Mvp's successor.
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On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility.
This guy gets it. Everyone shit their pants when he was invited to MLG (Anaheim I think) because we just KNEW he was going to win. And in Korea no one was feared more.
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OK, totally missed the finals because of the special early schedule. Damn, I wish the TL preview was posted a bit sooner ><
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On March 22 2015 18:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:05 Roadog wrote:On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot.  You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him  don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really. You mean  Reality? Because "Really" would be beyond shit.  Really
Really. I didn't think to look in the BW wiki. Wow. Really.
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On March 22 2015 18:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:05 Roadog wrote:On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really. You mean Reality? Because "Really" would be beyond shit. Really
Really isn't that far off from names like Much or Great, I still feel ZergBong is the worst name.
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On March 22 2015 18:04 Swisslink wrote:
I think the main issue here is that mvp was succesful while there were tons of GSL-tournaments a year. Therefore a comparison of pure numbers doesn't really work, imo.
And 2011 Code S were like round robin best of 1 until ro8 or until ro16 and then bo3 for ro16, I mean come on... there were foreigners in Code S: e.g. Mvp beat HuK in the ro8 during his 2011 August Code S victory.
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On March 22 2015 18:09 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:05 Roadog wrote:On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really. You mean Reality? Because "Really" would be beyond shit. Really Really isn't that far off from names like Much or Great, I still feel ZergBong is the worst name.
ZergBong is the best name ever
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zergbong at least sounds like someone put some effort into it, really is just really.
don't talk shit about old man much, he was the oldest progamer.
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On March 22 2015 18:07 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility. I guess my feelings of intense irritation at the thought of those dark, terrible days confirm that.  Life is definitely getting there though, and if he continues to be this successful into LotV its not even going to be a contest.
I believe that Life will eventually become the symbol of this era like Mvp is the symbol of WoL era.
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On March 22 2015 18:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:09 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:06 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:05 Roadog wrote:On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really. You mean Reality? Because "Really" would be beyond shit. Really Really isn't that far off from names like Much or Great, I still feel ZergBong is the worst name. ZergBong is the best name ever
Only because it's funny to an English speaking audience, you have to imagine a Korean coming up it and applying to a professional team.
On March 22 2015 18:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
zergbong at least sounds like someone put some effort into it, really is just really.
don't talk shit about old man much, he was the oldest progamer.
I ain't talking shit about Much the player, I'm just talking about the name.
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On March 22 2015 18:11 Wildmoon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:07 Zambrah wrote:On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility. I guess my feelings of intense irritation at the thought of those dark, terrible days confirm that. Life is definitely getting there though, and if he continues to be this successful into LotV its not even going to be a contest. I believe that Life will eventually become the symbol of this era like Mvp is the symbol of WoL era.
I wonder how he'd use ravager pew pew lol.
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On March 22 2015 18:08 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility. This guy gets it. Everyone shit their pants when he was invited to MLG (Anaheim I think) because we just KNEW he was going to win. And in Korea no one was feared more.
It was something else with him. We had MMA at the previous one I believe and he won it convincingly. Then along comes the next one, Mvp is announced and you immediately knew he was going to win it no matter who else came. And then he did.
It's one thing for players to amaze you with how they perform but it was the fact that it was just standard routine for Mvp to do those things that made him king.
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There's something kind of sad about people fighting over which player is the best and why. Tournaments are snapshots in time. Did Mvp win some of his GSL at an easier time? Yeah, and that's irrelevant. He still won them. Could Mvp have won more tournaments if he didn't have health issues? Yeah, and that's irrelevant. He does. People don't argue over whether Kasparov would beat Carlsen today if he hadn't gone into politics. They don't because there's obviously no answer, and the question isn't even interesting.
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On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility.
I rank Mvp at #1 and he's one of my favorite players of all-time but his "invincibility" is greatly exaggerated. Comparing peak performances, I'd say Bogus and Life are not only comparable but maybe even scarier. Mvp earns his #1 for being super consistent, accomplished and overcoming great adversity. With regards to 2011 though...
- He did not really have to play TvP as much during his 2011 peak (his weakest matchup) due to Protoss going extinct in the gsl
- MMA had his number
- Leenock knocked him out at MLG and GSL November
- Terran was doing extremely well in 2011
- He actually had a disappointing streak in the regular seasons of gsl from like Feburary to July (granted he won the WC in between) where he had even fallen to code A.
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On March 22 2015 18:10 argonautdice wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:04 Swisslink wrote:
I think the main issue here is that mvp was succesful while there were tons of GSL-tournaments a year. Therefore a comparison of pure numbers doesn't really work, imo. And 2011 Code S were like round robin best of 1 until ro8 or until ro16 and then bo3 for ro16, I mean come on... there were foreigners in Code S: e.g. Mvp beat HuK in the ro8 during his 2011 August Code S victory.
He also beat Naniwa in the Ro8 when he won GSL over Squirtle. But at the time, that was pretty damn impressive
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On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility.
This. It was the fear and knowing that he was going to dominate. Several players have had amazing periods of dominance: Life, Bogus, Rain etc. but I don't feel there were better yet.
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On March 22 2015 18:01 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. Mvp was INVINCIBLE in 2011. It was unbelievable. He REKT people with mech so hard it was beyond belief. I truly believe his peak was higher than any player ever. He was also a strategic genius. He also battled through crippling wrist issues and continued to make runs capped off by him winning GSL AGAIN, this time as the underdog. I fucking love Life you know I do but I think most people who were around for Mvp aren't ready to crown Life
Well said! But if there's one person who is deserving of overtaking Mvp, it's Life, and I'm ready to give him that if he continues to perform (which he will).
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On March 22 2015 18:04 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:On March 22 2015 17:59 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 17:57 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 22 2015 17:57 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. MVP didn't really slump for a whole year while he was dominant though, so Life's got to maintain his form for at least another year. MVP slumped for 3 years, that's not a lot better is it? MVP was dominant for 2-3 years then slumped for 3. Life was dominant for 1, slumped for 1,then in form some times slump some times before blizzcon, and now here we are. It's about consistency. I don't think you can call "cannot practice half as much as anyone else due to a broken back and cannot feel his fingers touching the keyboard during games" a slump. I count Flash being out of the second last OSL in Ro4 when he was getting his surgery a slump. It's just reality.
Stop saying MVP is in a slump, he's basically retired since 2013, he's last serious appearence was in WCS global 2013 season 1, end of the story, show is over, just applaud and show respect.
We may see him participate to a tournament here and there but he will never actually compete to anything anymore.
Guy is one year and ahalf older than Flash, and 6 years older than Life
Saying he's not good anymore, or in a slump, is a total insult to his career and as stupid as "how look LeBron is jumping higher than Jordan"
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On March 22 2015 18:08 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility. This guy gets it. Everyone shit their pants when he was invited to MLG (Anaheim I think) because we just KNEW he was going to win. And in Korea no one was feared more.
Back then MLG would invite one Korean of each race and the Terran would always win, so of course everyone knew.
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On March 22 2015 18:12 Nebuchad wrote:
There's something kind of sad about people fighting over which player is the best and why. Tournaments are snapshots in time. Did Mvp win some of his GSL at an easier time? Yeah, and that's irrelevant. He still won them. Could Mvp have won more tournaments if he didn't have health issues? Yeah, and that's irrelevant. He does. People don't argue over whether Kasparov would beat Carlsen today if he hadn't gone into politics. They don't because there's obviously no answer, and the question isn't even interesting.
Your mom... Doesn't... Have an answer... And isn't interesting!
Shut up it's late. Also arguing is fun. What's the point of arguing if there is one correct answer?
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