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ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot.  You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him 
don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss
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Time to play some ladder, Life literally saving SC2 passion.
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On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p
And he has those god awful nick names.
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Austria24422 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:59 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:57 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 22 2015 17:57 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. MVP didn't really slump for a whole year while he was dominant though, so Life's got to maintain his form for at least another year. MVP slumped for 3 years, that's not a lot better is it? MVP was dominant for 2-3 years then slumped for 3. Life was dominant for 1, slumped for 1,then in form some times slump some times before blizzcon, and now here we are. It's about consistency.
I don't think you can call "cannot practice half as much as anyone else due to a broken back and cannot feel his fingers touching the keyboard during games" a slump.
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United States23455 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:59 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. It's unfortunate that Mvp's career was cut short due to health issues and while he will remain the best player in WoL, it definitely has to be Life for all of SC2. It's like the people that argue for older players like Bill Russel in GOAT conversations over Jordan. The level of competition is much more fierce now. We can't just assume that Mvp would have remained as dominant in this era if he didn't have to deal with health issues.
Arguing the GOAT argument based on present times is silly. It's not about "what could you do now?" It's about what you did when you played
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Life does have the advantage of starting SC2 significantly younger than Mvp so he has a good shot of passing him. I think the only other major contender other than Life right now is Maru.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names.
PairinG is a good name wtf.
most progamers have really shit IDs like Really.
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I think the main issue here is that mvp was succesful while there were tons of GSL-tournaments a year. Therefore a comparison of pure numbers doesn't really work, imo.
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On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
If you can throw season 1 of wcs 2013 out of the window and both gsl finals of 2012 as well OK, but I disagree. He reached heights unimaginable and climbed the craziest mountains. I LOVE Life almost as much as I like AOA or love Bomber, but the feats of Mvp were amazing. Life Is still THE zerg king, while the king of wings and starcraft 2 is Mvp.
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On March 22 2015 18:03 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:59 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 17:57 SC2Toastie wrote:On March 22 2015 17:57 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. MVP didn't really slump for a whole year while he was dominant though, so Life's got to maintain his form for at least another year. MVP slumped for 3 years, that's not a lot better is it? MVP was dominant for 2-3 years then slumped for 3. Life was dominant for 1, slumped for 1,then in form some times slump some times before blizzcon, and now here we are. It's about consistency. I don't think you can call "cannot practice half as much as anyone else due to a broken back and cannot feel his fingers touching the keyboard during games" a slump.
I count Flash being out of the second last OSL in Ro4 when he was getting his surgery a slump. It's just reality.
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Canada11355 Posts
On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really.
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On March 22 2015 17:57 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:55 coloursheep wrote:On March 22 2015 17:49 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On March 22 2015 17:49 Darkhorse wrote:
Lifuuuu baby!
Zerg just won it's first GSL in two years! and it's second 3x gsl champ Blizzard cup doesn't count We discussed this earlier. We need to regulate this shit. Either ALL GSL WC/GC/BC events count as GSL wins or NONE of them do. Right now we have Zest with credit for one on LP as well as Polt and Mvp but not MMA or Life
GSL is GSL anything that is GSL ... is not a GSL
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On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really.
Nick names, not actual ID.
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On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really.
You mean  Reality? Because "Really" would be beyond shit.
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People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility.
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On March 22 2015 17:57 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. I may be wrong, but didn't he completely revolutionize the game in 2011 and invent hellion/bansheevZ in the infestor/BL era? But yeah, call stuchiu on this >.>
naw, supernova did that against leenock in s1 2012
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On March 22 2015 18:05 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really.
took me a few seconds to get what you meant, I thought you were talking about Byun.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51706 Posts
On March 22 2015 18:05 Roadog wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 18:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 18:03 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 18:02 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him don't worry, I couldn't even get past the fact that he plays protoss :p And he has those god awful nick names. PairinG is a good name wtf. most progamers have really shit IDs like Really. You mean Reality? Because "Really" would be beyond shit.
 Really
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On March 22 2015 17:59 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. It's unfortunate that Mvp's career was cut short due to health issues and while he will remain the best player in WoL, it definitely has to be Life for all of SC2. It's like the people that argue for older players like Bill Russel in GOAT conversations over Jordan. The level of competition is much more fierce now. We can't just assume that Mvp would have remained as dominant in this era if he didn't have to deal with health issues.
Players are generally compared to their peers/era, same with every sport. Otherwise the greatest players/athletes of the past aren't great at all because they would look like scrubs.
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On March 22 2015 18:06 Wildmoon wrote:
People who witnessed Mvp's reign of terror knows that there hasn't been anything that match it yet. It's not just about trophy number. It's about the aura of invincibility.
I guess my feelings of intense irritation at the thought of those dark, terrible days confirm that. 
Life is definitely getting there though, and if he continues to be this successful into LotV its not even going to be a contest.
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