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your Country52798 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
I may be wrong, but didn't he completely revolutionize the game in 2011 and invent hellion/bansheevZ in the infestor/BL era?
But yeah, call stuchiu on this >.>
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Austria24422 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
Lots of people were better than Nada at the end of BW and yet he's considered better than them.
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On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
Didn't Life win a GSL and some other tournaments at the end of WoL when, you know, Zerg was considered to be really OP?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
Mvp won with a broken back in a meta with bl/infestors during a time where he was the sole player innovating for his race. You could easily apply the same logic to life. He won 2 of his GSLs during bl/infestor but we don't knock him for that. Be consistent with your reasoning.
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On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. 
You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him 
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What a great finals, so happy it made it to a game seven. GGs.
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On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
It's unfortunate that Mvp's career was cut short due to health issues and while he will remain the best player in WoL, it definitely has to be Life for all of SC2. It's like the people that argue for older players like Bill Russel in GOAT conversations over Jordan. The level of competition is much more fierce now. We can't just assume that Mvp would have remained as dominant in this era if he didn't have to deal with health issues.
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Life played without BL infestor most of the games, but well. Go fanboys!
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On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
beat the best player on the planet in a mirror after losing half of his workers, and that was well after his prime
beat Squirtle in that game 7
after disappearing from the scene, he popped out in 1 qualifier only to knock out the best foreigner
was sent in Proleague once, completely out of the blue. He won.
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On March 22 2015 17:57 SC2Toastie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:57 Caihead wrote:On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. MVP didn't really slump for a whole year while he was dominant though, so Life's got to maintain his form for at least another year. MVP slumped for 3 years, that's not a lot better is it?
MVP was dominant for 2-3 years then slumped for 3.
Life was dominant for 1, slumped for 1,then in form some times slump some times before blizzcon, and now here we are.
It's about consistency.
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On March 22 2015 17:59 dazed25 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. It's unfortunate that Mvp's career was cut short due to health issues and while he will remain the best player in WoL, it definitely has to be Life for all of SC2. It's like the people that argue for older players like Bill Russel in GOAT conversations over Jordan. The level of competition is much more fierce now. We can't just assume that Mvp would have remained as dominant in this era if he didn't have to deal with health issues.
Yes, thank you for putting that better than I did
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Germany25658 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:59 SC2Toastie wrote:
Life played without BL infestor most of the games, but well. Go fanboys!
Quite an ironic statement
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On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
yea no. life win over mvp in the finals was when brood/infestor was op
mvp is still the best, sorry.
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On March 22 2015 17:58 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:52 Keeemy wrote:Never liked Parting but I also have a ton more respect for him now. He's a good guy, even if he smacktalks a lot. You only realized that now? That's like Parting's thing, being a nice guy but spicing things up with good-natured smacktalk. A lot of people just see the smack talk alone and immediately make shitty assumptions about him
Yeah I've always known it but I guess that anti-protoss bias in me just wants to hate him. But it's getting better.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES51080 Posts
MVP today is more irrelevant than flash, its pointless to compare his reign with life's current reign.
also pretty hilarious how life missed out on dual league victory.
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On March 22 2015 18:00 TheOne26 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. yea no. life win over mvp in the finals was when brood/infestor was op mvp is still the best, sorry.
but if you're going to do that, mvp sure won a lot doing the GOMTvT days.
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United States23455 Posts
On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
Mvp was INVINCIBLE in 2011. It was unbelievable. He REKT people with mech so hard it was beyond belief. I truly believe his peak was higher than any player ever. He was also a strategic genius. He also battled through crippling wrist issues and continued to make runs capped off by him winning GSL AGAIN, this time as the underdog.
I fucking love Life you know I do but I think most people who were around for Mvp aren't ready to crown Life
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If anyone is wondering whos the GOAT, you should talk to Big J
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On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz.
People call Mvp the best player of all time because of his legacy not because he is currently the best player of all time. Life won his GSLs in BL/Infestor era too. Mvp also won a GSL in that era when terran were gettin crushed left and right. There was a time when he dominated the entire world winning everything there were to win.
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On March 22 2015 17:58 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2015 17:56 SC2Toastie wrote:
To the people saying MVP is the best player of all time and Life should win 2 more titles before he can compete...
MVP has been irrelevant for 2-3 years. Half of SC2s lifetime, the "best player ever" hasn't even been playing. Meanwhile, Life has won time and time and time again.
Additionally, MVP won most of his GSL when his race was overpowered AND there were a lot more GSLs to win at the time with a lot less competition.
Life has clearly shown to be superior to MVP by now, same as a number other players can easilly rival MVP by now. People disagreeing can usually only draw the "more GSL won" card. I want to hear some other, less easily disposed argument plz. Mvp won with a broken back in a meta with bl/infestors during a time where he was the sole player innovating for his race. You could easily apply the same logic to life. He won 2 of his GSLs during bl/infestor but we don't knock him for that. Be consistent with your reasoning.
Mvp is still the only player worthy of the best player ever title imo.
his builds are just so damn good
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