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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-12 13:20:06
March 12 2015 13:19 GMT
#881
On March 12 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Honestly this is a good map for 2 rax


Actually it's really risky since overlords naturally go over the best 2rax spots most of the time, and if you dronescout at 10 it's even easier to spot. So while it looks great for 2rax, it's really great for spotting and defending one.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 12 2015 13:19 GMT
#882
On March 12 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Honestly this is a good map for 2 rax

Yup, lots of good proxy spots and the main ramp is close to the hatchery. Can't kill the natural though.
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Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
March 12 2015 13:19 GMT
#883
On March 12 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Honestly this is a good map for 2 rax

I don't think it is
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 12 2015 13:19 GMT
#884
wow 3-0 FanTaSy what a champ ^^
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
March 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#885
On March 12 2015 22:19 Musicus wrote:
I can see it coming, Taeja lost GSL/SSL in the ro32 and now wins IEM and crushes everyone. The Taeja fans and anit fans will go crazy and the discussion about how good he is will never end :/.


It's actually the fuel that powers the heat-engine of the universe. Without the debate over Taeja's skill, everything will freeze over.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
March 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#886
On March 12 2015 22:18 SackOfWetMice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 22:11 Elentos wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:08 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:06 pure.Wasted wrote:
It's just that if you don't do something cheesy to put the Terran on the back foot, or to kill a bunch of SCVs early, Terran is extremely strong in the mid-game against Protoss. If you do what Rain did - sit back and play that respectful macro style - you're essentially forced into making zero mistakes, or you're just dead against a decent Terran.


And Protoss is extremely strong in the late-game against Terran if the Terran doesn't get a lot of damage in.

Did you watch MMA vs PartinG? Did you see what happens when all the drops get shut down? Dead Terran.


MMA played awfully, not even close to what we just saw.
I bet Fanta with this style would defeat PartinG too, unless Parting would so some early aggression. No other way to survive as protoss.

PartinG defended flawlessly compared to Rain tho.

Different maps, different builds, different terran player, completely incomparable. And MMA played terribly, especially compared to the play we just saw from Fantasy. Plus, Rain plays a style which just isn't very viable anymore because it puts your fate in the hands of one or two split-second moments where where you're looking at on your screen basically decides the outcome of the game. We've gone over this in the past few pages of the thread.

I know this. And that's why Rain's having issues and PartinG is the god of PvT.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
March 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#887
On March 12 2015 22:17 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 22:15 SackOfWetMice wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:11 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:10 Jazzman88 wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:08 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:06 SackOfWetMice wrote:
I really hate the way TvP is at the moment, especially with widow mine drops. Feels like it's less about skill and more about luck/where you're looking at on your screen for one or two tiny moments that decide the entire game. Rain was the best by far at PvT throughout WoL.

It's really amazing to see you making excuses for a player you like, haha


He's not entirely wrong. Between Oracles, Blink, mine drops, Hellions, into multiple-drop fest versus Colossus defense into mass Storm + LAZORS... TvP is a matchup that turns on moments of only seconds to secure either a win or a massive lead. It's very different from TvZ or TvT for instance, where parade push siege battles can go on for minutes at a time and the constant positional tug of war of tank armies take both lots of time and patience.

I am not even saying he is wrong, but it still amuses me

Well, I'm glad that you admit I'm right. Concession accepted.


I think that Rain should beat Fantasy though, he just didn't play well

I just dislike the way that current TvP/PvT is built. The current widow mines were maybe needed to balance ZvT/TvZ, but it's really screwed with TvP/PvT. It rewards the cheesy/all-in Protoss players while punishing macro toss PvT.
Zest - Flash - TY - Top 3 SC2! - KT Rolster Fighting, #6 team in Proleague! - Zest #1 Proleague Ace Player!
Alucen-Will-
Profile Joined October 2014
United States4054 Posts
March 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#888
On March 12 2015 22:19 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Honestly this is a good map for 2 rax

Yup, lots of good proxy spots and the main ramp is close to the hatchery. Can't kill the natural though.


Not just that, this map is a nightmare against zergs. Swarmhosts + Mutalisks preventing drops is a nightmare.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#889
On March 12 2015 22:20 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 22:19 Musicus wrote:
I can see it coming, Taeja lost GSL/SSL in the ro32 and now wins IEM and crushes everyone. The Taeja fans and anit fans will go crazy and the discussion about how good he is will never end :/.


It's actually the fuel that powers the heat-engine of the universe. Without the debate over Taeja's skill, everything will freeze over.

TaeJa is a god.
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Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
March 12 2015 13:20 GMT
#890
On March 12 2015 22:19 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Honestly this is a good map for 2 rax


Actually it's really risky since overlords naturally go over the best 2rax spots most of the time, and if you dronescout at 10 it's even easier to spot. So while it looks great for 2rax, it's really great for spotting and defending one.


That would make sense if anybody at the pro level scouts at 10, which they don't. 13 or later if at all.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
March 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#891
this build is so damn standard
maru lover forever
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#892
On March 12 2015 22:19 Musicus wrote:
I can see it coming, Taeja lost GSL/SSL in the ro32 and now wins IEM and crushes everyone. The Taeja fans and anti fans will go crazy and the discussion about how good he is will never end :/.

The summer is not even near. It's the end of Winter Mwahahahahaha!
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
March 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#893
On March 12 2015 22:20 Jazzman88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2015 22:19 KeksX wrote:
On March 12 2015 22:18 Alucen-Will- wrote:
Honestly this is a good map for 2 rax


Actually it's really risky since overlords naturally go over the best 2rax spots most of the time, and if you dronescout at 10 it's even easier to spot. So while it looks great for 2rax, it's really great for spotting and defending one.


That would make sense if anybody at the pro level scouts at 10, which they don't. 13 or later if at all.


Well thats why I said "even easier", implying that its still relatively easy if you don't.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
March 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#894
Absolutely strait-laced builds from both sides here, no surprises at all yet.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
March 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#895
wait what, pantaji 3-0'd rain?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 12 2015 13:21 GMT
#896
Someone needs to make something exciting happen.
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 12 2015 13:22 GMT
#897
On March 12 2015 22:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
wait what, pantaji 3-0'd rain?

Yup, we are back in Brood War now.
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
March 12 2015 13:22 GMT
#898
Dat defense
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
March 12 2015 13:22 GMT
#899
On March 12 2015 22:21 BLinD-RawR wrote:
wait what, pantaji 3-0'd rain?

Wasn't even close
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SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
March 12 2015 13:22 GMT
#900
For example, I loved the PvT that was played between two players in Proleague just a couple days ago. The names escape me at the moment. Trap vs Hack, it was. Where it's late game, with colossi + storm vs vikings + ghosts, and so on. 4 bases, etc. That's what I think PvT/TvP should be like.
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