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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 05 2015 11:24 GMT
#701
On March 05 2015 20:22 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:20 Big J wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:17 Rainfall7711 wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:13 Alchemik wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:12 Rainfall7711 wrote:
Well this is probably over. You wonder why Protoss players do this gimmicky shit but then realise Protoss just won't consistently win vs Terran in a straight up game.

and then you realize you're wrong


Not at all. The evidence is there for all to see actually.


"The evidence":
Stats cheeses 4 times: loses 3 and wins 1
Stats plays straight up macro two times: loses 1, wins 1


And the macro game he lost he had a major disadvantage with the 22 probe helion runby. Stats should have stuck to macro games as he would fared better in the late game. Not to take anything away from Maru who thrives in these situations and just pulls opponents apart.

You cannot go macro games in PvT on maps like Foxtrot, KSS or Catallena against a dropping Terran, he will dismantle you once you try to take 3rd.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
March 05 2015 11:24 GMT
#702
On March 05 2015 20:20 Mikau wrote:
So, how dó you hold a 3rd on this map?

Play better than your opponent.
SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 11:26:26
March 05 2015 11:24 GMT
#703
Woah, Sojung looks really pretty today.

Not to say she's not always cute, but she looked really good in that short camera shot where she was sitting behind Wolf and Moonglade. Anyone else think the same?
Zest - Flash - TY - Top 3 SC2! - KT Rolster Fighting, #6 team in Proleague! - Zest #1 Proleague Ace Player!
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 05 2015 11:24 GMT
#704
so is Wolf still dating Sojung?

also i'm actually more hyped for Life vs Dream, should be a lot of action in that one
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
SackOfWetMice
Profile Joined October 2014
United States288 Posts
March 05 2015 11:26 GMT
#705
On March 05 2015 20:24 Schelim wrote:
so is Wolf still dating Sojung?

also i'm actually more hyped for Life vs Dream, should be a lot of action in that one

Were they ever actually dating? It was always obvious that Wolf had a crush on Sojung, but didn't know that they dated. And Sojung has always been in love with TY, anyway. Can someone confirm that Wolf actually dated Sojung?
Zest - Flash - TY - Top 3 SC2! - KT Rolster Fighting, #6 team in Proleague! - Zest #1 Proleague Ace Player!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 05 2015 11:26 GMT
#706
On March 05 2015 20:23 iMrising wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:21 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:20 Mikau wrote:
So, how dó you hold a 3rd on this map?

You don't, it's the same as, for example, Catallena.

or inferno pools. or secret spring.
but to be fair, stats was behind from after losing 3 dts while doing no damage. Its too bad he chose to do such plays because he really played well in game 1.

Yes, he was behind, I cannot say anything against it. As he was furiously behind on Catallena because of the scouted DT rush. Both games were lost because of the Maru preparation/scouting than map layout or some imbalance in game.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
March 05 2015 11:26 GMT
#707
On March 05 2015 20:24 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:22 dazed25 wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:20 Big J wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:17 Rainfall7711 wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:13 Alchemik wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:12 Rainfall7711 wrote:
Well this is probably over. You wonder why Protoss players do this gimmicky shit but then realise Protoss just won't consistently win vs Terran in a straight up game.

and then you realize you're wrong


Not at all. The evidence is there for all to see actually.


"The evidence":
Stats cheeses 4 times: loses 3 and wins 1
Stats plays straight up macro two times: loses 1, wins 1


And the macro game he lost he had a major disadvantage with the 22 probe helion runby. Stats should have stuck to macro games as he would fared better in the late game. Not to take anything away from Maru who thrives in these situations and just pulls opponents apart.

You cannot go macro games in PvT on maps like Foxtrot, KSS or Catallena against a dropping Terran, he will dismantle you once you try to take 3rd.



Just play Phoenix.
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
March 05 2015 11:26 GMT
#708
It's so funny how Protoss players blame the balance, while it is obvious that Maru has superior multitasking skills than Stats or almost any other Korean Protoss out there. That's why he won.
Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
March 05 2015 11:27 GMT
#709
Life's gonna demolish him anyway...
(•_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) ~Keep calm and inject Larva~
Alchemik
Profile Joined March 2014
Poland7124 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 11:27:30
March 05 2015 11:27 GMT
#710
On March 05 2015 20:24 Schelim wrote:
so is Wolf still dating Sojung?

also i'm actually more hyped for Life vs Dream, should be a lot of action in that one

didn't she say she never hung out with any of the casters outside the studio
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
March 05 2015 11:27 GMT
#711
What is this Korean HoMM?
INna Maru-da-FanTa, Bbaby, TY Dream that I'm Flashing you
bestiszest
Profile Joined March 2015
France103 Posts
March 05 2015 11:27 GMT
#712
i do 100% agree with gora kasul; PvT is a Fairly problematic match up and this is a Perfect exemple of why; in frontal FighT there is almost no Way than a terran player wiNs with eQual pop and good gestion from the Protoss, in the other hand that last game showed How abusive some situations/ maps can be and i rather think there is no way to hold such an assault in the map like that

Kt Rolster Zest and TY myboys freaking teamkills :'(
hborrgg
Profile Joined February 2015
United States888 Posts
March 05 2015 11:28 GMT
#713
On March 05 2015 20:26 TurboMaN wrote:
It's so funny how Protoss players blame the balance, while it is obvious that Maru has superior multitasking skills than Stats or almost any other Korean Protoss out there. That's why he won.

Yeah protoss, just triple WP harrass all the Terran's bases at once while pressuring the front. ezpz
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 11:28:53
March 05 2015 11:28 GMT
#714
On March 05 2015 20:27 bestiszest wrote:
i do 100% agree with gora kasul; PvT is a Fairly problematic match up and this is a Perfect exemple of why; in frontal FighT there is almost no Way than a terran player wiNs with eQual pop and good gestion from the Protoss, in the other hand that last game showed How abusive some situations/ maps can be and i rather think there is no way to hold such an assault in the map like that


after the DT allin the game was over, I have no clue what else you are talking about. The game ended then and there. Stats just didn't leave but that doesn't mean the game went on. That just means Maru got to have some fun.
GoraKasul
Profile Joined December 2014
38 Posts
March 05 2015 11:28 GMT
#715
On March 05 2015 20:24 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:20 Mikau wrote:
So, how dó you hold a 3rd on this map?

Play better than your opponent.


This is exactly why those maplayouts and/or the current meta is so hostile against Protoss: Even if you are better than your opponent you will lose against those rotating drops when you are on 3 bases.
It simply is not possible due to speedvacs. Do defend all 3 positions the Protoss needs 3 seperate small armies. To drop all 3 locations the Terran needs a small and a medium sized army. A medium sizes Terran army will absolutely wipe the floor with a small Protoss army due to Protoss having to rely on army synergy and composition to be cost effective - which is not possible with very few units and/or heavy tech upgrades.
TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
March 05 2015 11:29 GMT
#716
On March 05 2015 20:27 Zerg.Zilla wrote:
Life's gonna demolish him anyway...


Let's wait until the series is over.
Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
March 05 2015 11:29 GMT
#717
On March 05 2015 20:27 Alchemik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:24 Schelim wrote:
so is Wolf still dating Sojung?

also i'm actually more hyped for Life vs Dream, should be a lot of action in that one

didn't she say she never hung out with any of the casters outside the studio

oh. i was under the impression they were dating. guess he just had a crush on her and my mind invented the rest
TY <3 Cure <3 Inno <3 Special <3
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
March 05 2015 11:29 GMT
#718
On March 05 2015 20:26 Clonester wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:24 deacon.frost wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:22 dazed25 wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:20 Big J wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:17 Rainfall7711 wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:13 Alchemik wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:12 Rainfall7711 wrote:
Well this is probably over. You wonder why Protoss players do this gimmicky shit but then realise Protoss just won't consistently win vs Terran in a straight up game.

and then you realize you're wrong


Not at all. The evidence is there for all to see actually.


"The evidence":
Stats cheeses 4 times: loses 3 and wins 1
Stats plays straight up macro two times: loses 1, wins 1


And the macro game he lost he had a major disadvantage with the 22 probe helion runby. Stats should have stuck to macro games as he would fared better in the late game. Not to take anything away from Maru who thrives in these situations and just pulls opponents apart.

You cannot go macro games in PvT on maps like Foxtrot, KSS or Catallena against a dropping Terran, he will dismantle you once you try to take 3rd.



Just play Phoenix.

When there's only one way how to play the map then you are too much predictable and you will be hard countered by BO losses. Which is wrong both ways(PvT or TvP)
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-05 11:30:08
March 05 2015 11:29 GMT
#719
On March 05 2015 20:28 GoraKasul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2015 20:24 ZAiNs wrote:
On March 05 2015 20:20 Mikau wrote:
So, how dó you hold a 3rd on this map?

Play better than your opponent.


This is exactly why those maplayouts and/or the current meta is so hostile against Protoss: Even if you are better than your opponent you will lose against those rotating drops when you are on 3 bases.
It simply is not possible due to speedvacs. Do defend all 3 positions the Protoss needs 3 seperate small armies. To drop all 3 locations the Terran needs a small and a medium sized army. A medium sizes Terran army will absolutely wipe the floor with a small Protoss army due to Protoss having to rely on army synergy and composition to be cost effective - which is not possible with very few units and/or heavy tech upgrades.


Welcome to ZTarcraft II?

edit: Where is Downfall btw?
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
bestiszest
Profile Joined March 2015
France103 Posts
March 05 2015 11:29 GMT
#720
@ turboman you need Superior multitasking to defend your 3 bases with slower units than terran's ones which moreover are pretty uneffectiv in small groups
not saying that maru didn't play well it was a great game from him but honneslty its too hard to defend it as P unless you have phoenixes which let you pretty behind in early

Kt Rolster Zest and TY myboys freaking teamkills :'(
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