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On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick)
Hmm ok, interesting.
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France9263 Posts
On February 12 2015 22:46 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:
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Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick) Hmm ok, interesting.
I dislike TaeJa because he's overhyped as fuck and he's a drama queen, but he's obviously insanely talented (even just his GSL results in WoL were very good), my taste for tournaments is just personnal and I understand if you favor week end tournaments (play is worse, storylines are better usually)
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On February 12 2015 22:47 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:46 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:
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Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick) Hmm ok, interesting. I dislike TaeJa because he's overhyped as fuck and he's a drama queen, but he's obviously insanely talented (even just his GSL results in WoL were very good), my taste for tournaments is just personnal and I understand if you favor week end tournaments (play is worse, storylines are better usually)
I don't necessarily favor WE tournaments (if you ask me what makes a good player is to be good all-around, and thus to be a beast in both format, see soO, Maru, Life, Zest, etc), but I often see people talking as if it was universally admitted that preparation tournaments > WE tournaments. I was just wondering why.
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Well that was a couple bops if I ever saw some.
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Who would have thought that Bitbytbit would end up one of the more lasting terran legacies?
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Zergs losing almost as hard as in the LRSL Blizzcon tourney
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On February 12 2015 22:47 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:46 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:
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Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick) Hmm ok, interesting. I dislike TaeJa because he's overhyped as fuck and he's a drama queen, but he's obviously insanely talented (even just his GSL results in WoL were very good), my taste for tournaments is just personnal and I understand if you favor week end tournaments (play is worse, storylines are better usually)
Players aren't responsible for that, though
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On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:
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Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant.
I think this is actually the most important point here, there simply are no weekend tournaments where the skill lvl is as high as in korean tournaments. You might find some where the winner had to play vs 2-3 code S lvl players, but if you actually wanna win Code S that's not enough at all.
Well Maru and Stats, just how i predicted it (yeah wasn't too hard), are the games worth it to watch?
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On February 13 2015 00:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I think this is actually the most important point here, there simply are no weekend tournaments where the skill lvl is as high as in korean tournaments. You might find some where the winner had to play vs 2-3 code S lvl players, but if you actually wanna win Code S that's not enough at all. Well Maru and Stats, just how i predicted it (yeah wasn't too hard), are the games worth it to watch?
You can watch the first one from Maru vs Leenock and skip the rest
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On February 13 2015 00:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:
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Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I think this is actually the most important point here, there simply are no weekend tournaments where the skill lvl is as high as in korean tournaments. You might find some where the winner had to play vs 2-3 code S lvl players, but if you actually wanna win Code S that's not enough at all. Well Maru and Stats, just how i predicted it (yeah wasn't too hard), are the games worth it to watch?
KeSPA Cup and the GOM thing at the beginning of 2014?
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On February 13 2015 01:00 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 00:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:
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Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I think this is actually the most important point here, there simply are no weekend tournaments where the skill lvl is as high as in korean tournaments. You might find some where the winner had to play vs 2-3 code S lvl players, but if you actually wanna win Code S that's not enough at all. Well Maru and Stats, just how i predicted it (yeah wasn't too hard), are the games worth it to watch? KeSPA Cup and the GOM thing at the beginning of 2014?
Oh yes, i should have said foreign tournaments then, you are right 
On February 13 2015 01:00 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 00:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:
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Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I think this is actually the most important point here, there simply are no weekend tournaments where the skill lvl is as high as in korean tournaments. You might find some where the winner had to play vs 2-3 code S lvl players, but if you actually wanna win Code S that's not enough at all. Well Maru and Stats, just how i predicted it (yeah wasn't too hard), are the games worth it to watch? You can watch the first one from Maru vs Leenock and skip the rest
Ok, thx 
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France9263 Posts
On February 12 2015 23:50 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:47 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:46 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:
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I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick) Hmm ok, interesting. I dislike TaeJa because he's overhyped as fuck and he's a drama queen, but he's obviously insanely talented (even just his GSL results in WoL were very good), my taste for tournaments is just personnal and I understand if you favor week end tournaments (play is worse, storylines are better usually) Players aren't responsible for that, though
Ofc, still easier to dislike someone who has annoying fans. And steal meaningless awards from Bogus.
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None of these are upsets at all. Rogue is good and all, but now that life is in KT, it's easy to see that stats won because he had a super good practice partner in life. I don't think stats would have beaten Rogue if life hadn't have joined KT.
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On February 13 2015 01:11 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 23:50 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 22:47 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:46 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:
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With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick) Hmm ok, interesting. I dislike TaeJa because he's overhyped as fuck and he's a drama queen, but he's obviously insanely talented (even just his GSL results in WoL were very good), my taste for tournaments is just personnal and I understand if you favor week end tournaments (play is worse, storylines are better usually) Players aren't responsible for that, though Ofc, still easier to dislike someone who has annoying fans. And steal meaningless awards from Bogus.
I didn't know Bogus made the Code S playoffs twice while all other Terrans were getting wrecked (;
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Stats is all "You think I'm going to be the new KT bench player? Think again."
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France9263 Posts
On February 13 2015 01:14 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2015 01:11 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 23:50 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 22:47 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:46 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:14 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:
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a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant. I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side. In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder) Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick) Hmm ok, interesting. I dislike TaeJa because he's overhyped as fuck and he's a drama queen, but he's obviously insanely talented (even just his GSL results in WoL were very good), my taste for tournaments is just personnal and I understand if you favor week end tournaments (play is worse, storylines are better usually) Players aren't responsible for that, though Ofc, still easier to dislike someone who has annoying fans. And steal meaningless awards from Bogus. I didn't know Bogus made the Code S playoffs twice while all other Terrans were getting wrecked (;
Well he won a GSL while someone managed to fail to reach... cough... the great WCS NA Final... if Maru had a good tournament win we wouldn't have this stupid debate
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RESPECT THE HIDDEN GOD STATS
SEEK SALVATION BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE
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Dammit Rogue. Well, Maru, Life, and Dream (surprisingly) still in the running for Dual tournament wins.
I was hoping for a Rogue or Dream dual win just for the lawls.
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I really wanna see a Maru vs Life final in both leagues now, it would be amazing
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