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On February 12 2015 21:12 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:10 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 12 2015 20:53 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 20:50 sibs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Aligulac is a lot more relevant these days with everyone playing in Korea, there's a 200pt difference from Life to 2nd zerg which plays outside Korea. A rating where ForGG is ahead of Bogus and Hydra/GuMiho are top10 world players could still do with some improvement in terms of relevance Never mind the fact that soO and Soulkey, two world-class Zergs, aren't racking up any points because one's taking a vacation from PL and the other's not on a PL team, period. You only get "points" on aligulac if you actually win, if you play and lose, you lose points, Soulkey and soo didn't even make through qualifiers right? You're assuming they'd win. ForGG is overrated though for playing out of Korea, so is Hydra.
MMA was considered overrated in the past for playing out of Korea, look where he is now... Saying that doesn't make sense, because we have no idea how ForGG and Hydra would fare in KR. (well for Hydra he was in Korea very recently so we can kinda guess)
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On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct
Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently
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On February 12 2015 21:12 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:10 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 12 2015 20:53 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 20:50 sibs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Aligulac is a lot more relevant these days with everyone playing in Korea, there's a 200pt difference from Life to 2nd zerg which plays outside Korea. A rating where ForGG is ahead of Bogus and Hydra/GuMiho are top10 world players could still do with some improvement in terms of relevance Never mind the fact that soO and Soulkey, two world-class Zergs, aren't racking up any points because one's taking a vacation from PL and the other's not on a PL team, period. You only get "points" on aligulac if you actually win, if you play and lose, you lose points, Soulkey and soo didn't even make through qualifiers right? You're assuming they'd win. ForGG is overrated though for playing out of Korea, so is Hydra.
soO was still only rank 14 after his DH Silver, and he was like top20 to top30 in summer before that. People who dwell only/mostly in Korea have long been (massively) underrated in Aligulac; just look at the time it took for Maru to get into the top10, compared with ForGG who sits there for years for no valid reason whatsoever
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Too bad I couldn't catch this due to classes, really glad that Maru made it, sad for Rogue tho..  Dream finals Maru vs Life gogo
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On February 12 2015 21:12 sibs wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:10 pure.Wasted wrote:On February 12 2015 20:53 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 20:50 sibs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Aligulac is a lot more relevant these days with everyone playing in Korea, there's a 200pt difference from Life to 2nd zerg which plays outside Korea. A rating where ForGG is ahead of Bogus and Hydra/GuMiho are top10 world players could still do with some improvement in terms of relevance Never mind the fact that soO and Soulkey, two world-class Zergs, aren't racking up any points because one's taking a vacation from PL and the other's not on a PL team, period. You only get "points" on aligulac if you actually win, if you play and lose, you lose points, Soulkey and soo didn't even make through qualifiers right? You're assuming they'd win. ForGG is overrated though for playing out of Korea, so is Hydra.
Soulkey just beat Has, Keen, Ryung, Jjakji, San x2, Leenock, and Rain, and was 4-3 vs HerO in maps, on his way to facing Maru at IEM Taipei semis and losing 1-3. (Also lost to Life and TRUE) In MAL: The Beginning, he's 4-3 vs DRG, 4-3 vs Oz, and 2-0 vs Polt. In Code S he beat San and he's 4-3 vs MarineKing. At BaseTrade, he beat Revival, DRG, Gumiho, Rain, and lost to Super.
This is all within the last month. I didn't leave out a single loss. Out of 22 vs, he lost 4, and two of them were mirrors. That's DAMN impressive. And soO's the best player of 2014, I have no doubt he'll bounce back.
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On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently
Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran
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On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran
Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world.
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On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world.
TaeJa's challenge for 2015 is to win a Dreamhack with at least 18-0 in maps
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On February 12 2015 21:42 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. TaeJa's challenge for 2015 is to win a Dreamhack with at least 18-0 in maps
or just beat champagne.
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On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world.
I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen
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On February 12 2015 21:42 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:42 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. TaeJa's challenge for 2015 is to win a Dreamhack with at least 18-0 in maps or just beat champagne.
I thought we were talking about realistic scenarios.
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On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen
With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way
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On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way
You underestimate people on TL 
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Nooo Rogue, you were the one . What happened...
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On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way
a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however...
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On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however...
Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH
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On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH
still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format.
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On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:11 GumBa wrote:
Jesus Christ Maru is on fire Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format.
So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant.
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On February 12 2015 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2015 22:00 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:59 OtherWorld wrote:On February 12 2015 21:49 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:46 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:43 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:40 sAsImre wrote:On February 12 2015 21:31 TheDwf wrote:On February 12 2015 21:16 GumBa wrote:On February 12 2015 21:12 TheDwf wrote:
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Honestly, today was more about Leenock being extinct Yeah but 2nd at iem ro4 NSSL Ro8 GSL and securing the win for his team to make the playoff finals. His form has been spectacular recently Indeed. Even more glorious shall be Bogus' triumph for the title of best Terran Taeja gonna win the 1st 10k$ tournament to come (DH France?) and everyone will praise him as the best player in the world. I laughed. Then I realised that's actually really likely to happen With his unfortunate early exits in NSSL and GSL, no way a random DH wouldn't be enough, IEM Katowice however... Well winning Katowice would be something else than winning a DH still double ro32 elim to begin 2015. it'll just prove further that he's good at playing weekend tournament and absolutely useless in a preparation based format. So you consider that results in a preparation format are worth more than in a weekend format, assuming the opponents are of the same caliber? By doing that you define individual skill in SC2 as something in which preparation for the opponent plays a big role, while it could be argued that preparation is more team-dependant/practice partners-dependant than player-dependant.
I really like and respect the strategic part coming into the fact you're preparing for someone and several maps (or just 1 in the case of PL but PL is awesome precisely for the sick snipes strat). A week end tournament is just a series of ladder games, which is quite poor on the planning side.
In game your just doing tactics so if you don't prepare for your opponent the strategy side of sc2 is really really poor... (picking a good build order for the map and that's all, exactly what you're doing on ladder)
Maru really shines in prep based format and he's supposed to use the ladder a lot to prepare so i don't see the problem. Or just don't be a dick and you'll get some decent practice partner (not implying at all TaeJa is a dick)
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