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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
October 04 2014 14:10 GMT
#3881
I think soO should join a foreign team

he's definitely a strong player and if he can't be #1 in korea, he can def dominate elsewhere
rip passion
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
October 04 2014 14:11 GMT
#3882
On October 04 2014 23:10 Deathstar wrote:
I think soO should join a foreign team

he's definitely a strong player and if he can't be #1 in korea, he can def dominate elsewhere


soO is #1 in Korea every day except the days when there are GSL finals
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Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
October 04 2014 14:12 GMT
#3883
On October 04 2014 21:43 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:35 Teoita wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:16 Thrillz wrote:
This has been the first Terran GSL win since...well Mvp lmao.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL


A lot of people seem to not count it as a GSL win since it was technically OSL. Of course it's stupid, but I don't think that was an oversight.

All we can say is that the current line of T korean champions is pretty crazy : Mvp, Maru, INno.


Current line?

Including Polt and MMA is just as crazy.

Not really on the same level...
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
October 04 2014 14:15 GMT
#3884
GUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 14:17:44
October 04 2014 14:17 GMT
#3885
On October 04 2014 23:10 Deathstar wrote:
I think soO should join a foreign team

he's definitely a strong player and if he can't be #1 in korea, he can def dominate elsewhere


I think he should retire. If he falls off now, people will say he has been broken, make Kong jokes and so on. But anything other than winning a GSL (or something comparable) in the near future will be regarded as falling off.
He should retire while being in the spotlight.
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5652 Posts
October 04 2014 14:20 GMT
#3886
This is unreal...

[image loading]
don't wall off against random
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18756 Posts
October 04 2014 14:26 GMT
#3887
On October 04 2014 23:02 Neemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 20:31 Vindicare605 wrote:
On October 04 2014 20:27 Musicus wrote:
On October 04 2014 20:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
On October 04 2014 20:23 Musicus wrote:
If Pigbaby and ForGG win WCS AM and EU we get those two instead of Jaedong and Inno. I would not like that, even if it would be well deserved of course. Doesn't seem unlikely at all.


Jaedong does not deserve to go to Blizzcon this year.

There I said it.

I'd seriously rather have either of those guys, OR Snute over Jaedong.


Well we'll have to wait and see I guess, we could even end up with Scarlett and Bunny at Blizzcon. I wouldn't mind that.


Scarlett going to Blizzcon would mean she won WCS AM this year and that would be fucking rad, ditto with Bunny.

Jaedong going to Blizzcon right now is just due to his traveling and the sheer number of events he's been to. His results in WCS AM have been terrible. The fact he's even in danger of losing his spot after how many events and free points he's soaked up just speaks enough on its own to how nonexistant his results have been this year.

He hasn't looked like a player that should be competing at the culmination tournament of the year at all this year. Let someone else more deserving have it.


Through travelling and through actually winning games at those events, too. His failures this year are terribly overstated, while his victores are undersold. Both years he made 6 semi-finals before Blizzcon. This year he won 2, and got stuck at semi's 4 times. Last year he got second 5 times, which is about equal. The competition wasn't very different, either (besides his first miracle run in WCS Season 2). He had a 54.3% win-rate against offline Korean competition and everyone was excited to see him. This year he's at 52.7% and suddenly he doesn't deserve to be there, while making the finals with his 54.3% last time. If he makes it this year, I won't be surprised if he makes it to Ro8/Ro4 again.

I know Snute is a foreigner and I'd absolutely love to see him there too, but he got the points the same way Jaedong did. Same for Naniwa last year, or even Taeja this year. Fact is, Taeja was better than Jaedong at many of those tournaments, but Jaedong was better than many other people. I love Mvp, but I feel Jaedong has more right to a spot than Mvp had last year, as Mvp basically dropped off completely after an amazing first season. But that's how a yearly point system works. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

But on-topic: The final game was really well played from both sides, which I'm glad I got to watch. Congrats Innovation for winning, and for having an amazing shot at reaching Blizzcon now. Poor soO, he really deserves a win by now. He's kind of like Taeja in GSL, who during his prime had his absolute solidness carry him very far, but then never being able to bring that little extra in the final stages. I hope for his sake he ends up anywhere but second at Blizzcon, that would just be crushing.


naniwa totally deserved his blizzcon spot last year...
he performed very well at the season 2 finals and got top2/top4 in several tournaments
SNSeigifried
Profile Joined April 2013
United States1640 Posts
October 04 2014 14:28 GMT
#3888
I just realized that soo has now loss to 3 stx soul players and 1 kt in the finals :D!!! STXSOULOP???
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
October 04 2014 14:29 GMT
#3889
STX SouL is the new Zenex. All their players end up on other teams and get great results
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tehfleet
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
October 04 2014 14:32 GMT
#3890
On October 04 2014 22:42 orvinreyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 22:33 tehfleet wrote:
yes most of the games were "bad" defined as early push / cheese

was pretty crowded at the stadium, had to stand throughout since all the seats were taken at least one hour before the start. innovation was making funny gestures after game 5 haha
great that he could pull himself back after being in the hole


yeah it looked like he was looking into the crowd or something? or was this off cam?


yeah, pretty sure he was in a very comfortable position compared to earlier
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27422 Posts
October 04 2014 15:07 GMT
#3891
On October 04 2014 23:11 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 23:10 Deathstar wrote:
I think soO should join a foreign team

he's definitely a strong player and if he can't be #1 in korea, he can def dominate elsewhere


soO is #1 in Korea every day except the days when there are GSL finals

Or the days he plays Kespa Cup or Proleague.

Can't really argue with his GSL runs though, hopefully he can regroup mentally for Blizzcon.

Speaking of said event, despite feeling horrible for soO I do think a Blizzcon without a resurgent Inno would have been lacking something
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27422 Posts
October 04 2014 15:10 GMT
#3892
Holy shit rotta hahaha. That Silver Surfer game is also ridiculously tough
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
October 04 2014 15:20 GMT
#3893
On October 04 2014 23:12 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:43 liberate71 wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:35 Teoita wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:16 Thrillz wrote:
This has been the first Terran GSL win since...well Mvp lmao.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL


A lot of people seem to not count it as a GSL win since it was technically OSL. Of course it's stupid, but I don't think that was an oversight.

All we can say is that the current line of T korean champions is pretty crazy : Mvp, Maru, INno.


Current line?

Including Polt and MMA is just as crazy.

Not really on the same level...


They both go on my list of terran legends before Inno and Maru
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
October 04 2014 15:34 GMT
#3894
On October 04 2014 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:35 Teoita wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:16 Thrillz wrote:
This has been the first Terran GSL win since...well Mvp lmao.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL


A lot of people seem to not count it as a GSL win since it was technically OSL. Of course it's stupid, but I don't think that was an oversight.

All we can say is that the current line of T korean champions is pretty crazy : Mvp, Maru, INno.

and hopefully Flash is the next
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27422 Posts
October 04 2014 15:36 GMT
#3895
On October 05 2014 00:20 kaykoose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 23:12 Scarecrow wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:43 liberate71 wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:35 Teoita wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:16 Thrillz wrote:
This has been the first Terran GSL win since...well Mvp lmao.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL


A lot of people seem to not count it as a GSL win since it was technically OSL. Of course it's stupid, but I don't think that was an oversight.

All we can say is that the current line of T korean champions is pretty crazy : Mvp, Maru, INno.


Current line?

Including Polt and MMA is just as crazy.

Not really on the same level...


They both go on my list of terran legends before Inno and Maru

Under what rationale?

I'd definitely have MMA and Polt on a list of greatest Terrans, but not necessarily ahead of Maru and Inno
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
October 04 2014 15:36 GMT
#3896
On October 05 2014 00:34 lastride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:35 Teoita wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:16 Thrillz wrote:
This has been the first Terran GSL win since...well Mvp lmao.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL


A lot of people seem to not count it as a GSL win since it was technically OSL. Of course it's stupid, but I don't think that was an oversight.

All we can say is that the current line of T korean champions is pretty crazy : Mvp, Maru, INno.

and hopefully Flash is the next


I'm absolutely OK with it !
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 15:51:28
October 04 2014 15:49 GMT
#3897
Edit: wrong thread
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Skynx
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Turkey7150 Posts
October 04 2014 16:30 GMT
#3898
On October 04 2014 23:29 Shellshock wrote:
STX SouL is the new Zenex. All their players end up on other teams and get great results


3 GSL, 2 WCS season finals, 1 MLG... God I wish We could see more of Mini, hyvaa and Last.

P.S: late as always, congrats to INno. Can we expect a lenghty Gumba blog? Also poor soO, dw tho he will win blizzcon
"When seagulls follow the troller, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. Thank you very much" - King Cantona | STX 4 eva
kaykoose
Profile Joined February 2014
United States2302 Posts
October 04 2014 16:36 GMT
#3899
On October 05 2014 00:36 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2014 00:20 kaykoose wrote:
On October 04 2014 23:12 Scarecrow wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:43 liberate71 wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:35 Teoita wrote:
On October 04 2014 21:16 Thrillz wrote:
This has been the first Terran GSL win since...well Mvp lmao.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_2_Korea_OSL


A lot of people seem to not count it as a GSL win since it was technically OSL. Of course it's stupid, but I don't think that was an oversight.

All we can say is that the current line of T korean champions is pretty crazy : Mvp, Maru, INno.


Current line?

Including Polt and MMA is just as crazy.

Not really on the same level...


They both go on my list of terran legends before Inno and Maru

Under what rationale?

I'd definitely have MMA and Polt on a list of greatest Terrans, but not necessarily ahead of Maru and Inno


To me, if we're talking the greatest in any sport then we're talking numbers. Overall stats, achievements/titles, years of relevence...

7 and 6 titles for MMA and Polt respectively along with their longevity puts them over those guys in ranking the greatest. I don't feel like there is a debate here. And it's no shade on Inno or especially Maru who is super young. They are the better players now but they haven't done enough to be put over MMA and Polt on a greatest list. Inno winning this GSL doesn't suddenly throw him above these guys to me.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-04 16:45:14
October 04 2014 16:44 GMT
#3900
On October 04 2014 23:02 Neemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2014 20:31 Vindicare605 wrote:
On October 04 2014 20:27 Musicus wrote:
On October 04 2014 20:25 Vindicare605 wrote:
On October 04 2014 20:23 Musicus wrote:
If Pigbaby and ForGG win WCS AM and EU we get those two instead of Jaedong and Inno. I would not like that, even if it would be well deserved of course. Doesn't seem unlikely at all.


Jaedong does not deserve to go to Blizzcon this year.

There I said it.

I'd seriously rather have either of those guys, OR Snute over Jaedong.


Well we'll have to wait and see I guess, we could even end up with Scarlett and Bunny at Blizzcon. I wouldn't mind that.


Scarlett going to Blizzcon would mean she won WCS AM this year and that would be fucking rad, ditto with Bunny.

Jaedong going to Blizzcon right now is just due to his traveling and the sheer number of events he's been to. His results in WCS AM have been terrible. The fact he's even in danger of losing his spot after how many events and free points he's soaked up just speaks enough on its own to how nonexistant his results have been this year.

He hasn't looked like a player that should be competing at the culmination tournament of the year at all this year. Let someone else more deserving have it.


Through travelling and through actually winning games at those events, too. His failures this year are terribly overstated, while his victores are undersold. Both years he made 6 semi-finals before Blizzcon. This year he won 2, and got stuck at semi's 4 times. Last year he got second 5 times, which is about equal. The competition wasn't very different, either (besides his first miracle run in WCS Season 2). He had a 54.3% win-rate against offline Korean competition and everyone was excited to see him. This year he's at 52.7% and suddenly he doesn't deserve to be there, while making the finals with his 54.3% last time. If he makes it this year, I won't be surprised if he makes it to Ro8/Ro4 again.

I know Snute is a foreigner and I'd absolutely love to see him there too, but he got the points the same way Jaedong did. Same for Naniwa last year, or even Taeja this year. Fact is, Taeja was better than Jaedong at many of those tournaments, but Jaedong was better than many other people. I love Mvp, but I feel Jaedong has more right to a spot than Mvp had last year, as Mvp basically dropped off completely after an amazing first season. But that's how a yearly point system works. Don't hate the player, hate the game.

But on-topic: The final game was really well played from both sides, which I'm glad I got to watch. Congrats Innovation for winning, and for having an amazing shot at reaching Blizzcon now. Poor soO, he really deserves a win by now. He's kind of like Taeja in GSL, who during his prime had his absolute solidness carry him very far, but then never being able to bring that little extra in the final stages. I hope for his sake he ends up anywhere but second at Blizzcon, that would just be crushing.


I think you've been drinking the EG juice fella. Not undersold at all. The point system is a joke. Cue "Who's Line is it Anyway" where the points don't matter.
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