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On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead.
How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack.
Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines.
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On August 24 2014 07:29 Roachu wrote:
Murika.
Be cultured yo.
'Straya
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On August 24 2014 07:29 Roachu wrote:
Murika.
Zerg. It's always Zerg (except for Naniwa).
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On August 24 2014 07:29 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead. How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack. Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines.
lol getting 4 bases and not dying to a 3 base push on muta tech is not a given at all
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I was more impresed by Ian's infestor/ultra/viper play compared to what Kane is doing right now.
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He manages to get the ultra transition when SD has nothing against them but them doesn't hit the timing? :/
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On August 24 2014 07:30 stuchiu wrote:Be cultured yo. 'Straya
New Zealand.
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This is a lot of shadowing boxing between Kane and SD
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On August 24 2014 07:31 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:29 Alchemik wrote:On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead. How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack. Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines. lol getting 4 bases and not dying to a 3 base push on muta tech is not a given at all
...you have broodlords to hold the big 3 base roach hydra infestor push. They end during/just before the attack.
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On August 24 2014 07:32 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:30 stuchiu wrote:On August 24 2014 07:29 Roachu wrote:
Murika. Be cultured yo. 'Straya New Zealand.
'Aland
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On August 24 2014 07:31 Zheryn wrote:
He manages to get the ultra transition when SD has nothing against them but them doesn't hit the timing? :/
this is a macro style weve seen in proleague on this map though, its not an allin ultra switch that has to kill the whole army to work
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On August 24 2014 07:29 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead. How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack. Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines.
I'm just basing it on what I've seen of it and when I use it (which really means nothing but still). Maybe I'm completely wrong and Im' a fucking idiot but that's what I've seen of it. But doesn't holding your opponent on 3 bases count as damage? Maybe not direct but it's very important. And if the build relies on it, then it is a matter of build too.
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On August 24 2014 07:32 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:31 brickrd wrote:On August 24 2014 07:29 Alchemik wrote:On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead. How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack. Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines. lol getting 4 bases and not dying to a 3 base push on muta tech is not a given at all ...you have broodlords to hold the big 3 base roach hydra infestor push. They end during/just before the attack.
yes and if youre terran you have bunkers and siege tanks to hold 1/1 roach  this is a silly conversation. "the brood lords magically finish at the right time in the right numbers so it works"
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Kane why would you muta after this
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On August 24 2014 07:33 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:32 Alchemik wrote:On August 24 2014 07:31 brickrd wrote:On August 24 2014 07:29 Alchemik wrote:On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead. How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack. Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines. lol getting 4 bases and not dying to a 3 base push on muta tech is not a given at all ...you have broodlords to hold the big 3 base roach hydra infestor push. They end during/just before the attack. yes and if youre terran you have bunkers and siege tanks to hold 1/1 roach this is a silly conversation. "the brood lords magically finish at the right time in the right numbers so it works"
They finish around 14 minutes if you do the build right, where you're dropping the infestation pit right after first mutas. And that's when roach/hydra/infestor push hits
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On August 24 2014 07:36 Larkin wrote:
Kane why would you muta after this
because he still has enough corruptors for this to be muta/corruptor instead of a yolo muta switch into phoenixes
On August 24 2014 07:37 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2014 07:33 brickrd wrote:On August 24 2014 07:32 Alchemik wrote:On August 24 2014 07:31 brickrd wrote:On August 24 2014 07:29 Alchemik wrote:On August 24 2014 07:27 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 24 2014 07:23 Squat wrote:I didn't say it was terrible, all I'm saying is that it has a lot of holes that can be exploited if the style is done imperfectly. That's not what you said at all. You said it just loses unless you were ahead. The two statements are not interchangable. The whole build depends on doing lots of muta damage and if you don't get ahead in that stage then it gets crushed. It does lose if you don't get ahead. How can you know that? You get 4 bases while containing your opponent on 3 just because of mutas, then all you have to do is hold a big attack. Holding harass is just a matter of skill and multitasking, not the build. You have mutas and lings/well-placed broodlords/spines. lol getting 4 bases and not dying to a 3 base push on muta tech is not a given at all ...you have broodlords to hold the big 3 base roach hydra infestor push. They end during/just before the attack. yes and if youre terran you have bunkers and siege tanks to hold 1/1 roach this is a silly conversation. "the brood lords magically finish at the right time in the right numbers so it works" They finish around 14 minutes if you do the build right, where you're dropping the infestation pit right after first mutas. And that's when roach/hydra/infestor push hits
starcraft is not played on paper and if it were as simple as "do the build right and defend" then koreans would be using it left and right. im just asking you to be reasonable instead of implying that you cant crush the shit out of it by playing better early and hitting a good timing
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What the hell is going on? How is Kane still alive o.O?!
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Surely Kane won't win this?
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