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On August 18 2014 09:13 asongdotnet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 18 2014 09:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 18 2014 09:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I really dislike how little protoss has to leave behind to cancel out aggression compared to terran and zerg. Between HT/cannons or mamma core + warp ins makes it so much more difficult Ya, I kind of wish protoss was less safe in that regard. I kind of think photon overcharge needs a bit of a nerf. To be honest I dislike the mothership core in general. Its just too versatile. It has amazing offensive and defensive capabilities and can even double as both (with recall). Combine that with the warp in mechanic and you get really easy defenses compared to the other races. Mama core remind me of a worse presnipe nerf ghost. Where they're just so damn good. I really hope LotV removes it and gives the protoss something else. Or even separate mothership core abilities into two different units. Just need to make the overcharge ability like pulsar beam, drain energy. Maybe make it into a leash ability to so that the MC has to be within a certain radius of the nexus and if it goes out of the range it'll turn off
I really like that, it would help limit the amount of maps where you can double overcharge depending on the main/nat distance.
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Guys it's herO's birthday today!
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO herOOOOO
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On August 18 2014 09:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:13 Faefae wrote:
GG herO !! I was soooooo sure he was dead when he was 70 supply down + 1 base down omg! ???
Yes ?
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oh shit
happy birthday Hero!
never stop smiling!
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On August 18 2014 09:13 asongdotnet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 18 2014 09:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 18 2014 09:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I really dislike how little protoss has to leave behind to cancel out aggression compared to terran and zerg. Between HT/cannons or mamma core + warp ins makes it so much more difficult Ya, I kind of wish protoss was less safe in that regard. I kind of think photon overcharge needs a bit of a nerf. To be honest I dislike the mothership core in general. Its just too versatile. It has amazing offensive and defensive capabilities and can even double as both (with recall). Combine that with the warp in mechanic and you get really easy defenses compared to the other races. Mama core remind me of a worse presnipe nerf ghost. Where they're just so damn good. I really hope LotV removes it and gives the protoss something else. Or even separate mothership core abilities into two different units. Just need to make the overcharge ability like pulsar beam, drain energy. Maybe make it into a leash ability to so that the MC has to be within a certain radius of the nexus and if it goes out of the range it'll turn off
That's a poor idea that has been proposed before. Basically what would happen is that the mothership core would cast photon overcharge, and since it can't leave would get killed by the marines and the base would just die. Terran nexus snipes during the midgame are fairly effective as is.
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gogo herO! The savior of Red Bull, trying to make sure that Terrans don't win all four qualifiers x.x
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On August 18 2014 09:15 Faefae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 18 2014 09:13 Faefae wrote:
GG herO !! I was soooooo sure he was dead when he was 70 supply down + 1 base down omg! ??? Yes ?
i don't think he was down 70 supply in this game, it was maybe 30 or smth, but not 70
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Why would you nerf the mothership core? It's useful only in the early-mid game, which are already the stages where terran has the higher winrate, most likely higher than 50% too. Protoss wins most of the times only in the lategame, although scv pulls are so popular (precisely for this reason) that we don't even see those kind of games anymore.
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On August 18 2014 09:16 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:15 Faefae wrote:On August 18 2014 09:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 18 2014 09:13 Faefae wrote:
GG herO !! I was soooooo sure he was dead when he was 70 supply down + 1 base down omg! ??? Yes ? i don't think he was down 70 supply in this game, it was maybe 30 or smth, but not 70
He was down 60 supply.
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On August 18 2014 09:16 Undead1993 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:15 Faefae wrote:On August 18 2014 09:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 18 2014 09:13 Faefae wrote:
GG herO !! I was soooooo sure he was dead when he was 70 supply down + 1 base down omg! ??? Yes ? i don't think he was down 70 supply in this game, it was maybe 30 or smth, but not 70
It was ~120 against 186 at some point right?
Just before Journey begun throwing away units
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On August 18 2014 09:17 KingAlphard wrote:
Why would you nerf the mothership core? It's useful only in the early-mid game, which are already the stages where terran has the higher winrate, most likely higher than 50% too. Protoss wins most of the times only in the lategame, although scv pulls are so popular (precisely for this reason) that we don't even see those kind of games anymore.
Recall and overcharge are useful at all points in the game I'd say.
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On August 18 2014 09:16 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:13 asongdotnet wrote:On August 18 2014 09:11 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 18 2014 09:07 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 18 2014 09:05 chipmonklord17 wrote:
I really dislike how little protoss has to leave behind to cancel out aggression compared to terran and zerg. Between HT/cannons or mamma core + warp ins makes it so much more difficult Ya, I kind of wish protoss was less safe in that regard. I kind of think photon overcharge needs a bit of a nerf. To be honest I dislike the mothership core in general. Its just too versatile. It has amazing offensive and defensive capabilities and can even double as both (with recall). Combine that with the warp in mechanic and you get really easy defenses compared to the other races. Mama core remind me of a worse presnipe nerf ghost. Where they're just so damn good. I really hope LotV removes it and gives the protoss something else. Or even separate mothership core abilities into two different units. Just need to make the overcharge ability like pulsar beam, drain energy. Maybe make it into a leash ability to so that the MC has to be within a certain radius of the nexus and if it goes out of the range it'll turn off That's a poor idea that has been proposed before. Basically what would happen is that the mothership core would cast photon overcharge, and since it can't leave would get killed by the marines and the base would just die. Terran nexus snipes during the midgame are fairly effective as is.
I'm sure there are spots on the map in a base where the mothership core could be within a radius of the nexus AND not in marines range. Or at least make them have to micro the mothership core to prevent it from getting killed by said marines. Would just need to tweak the radius so its actually relevant while not being too tight to the nexus
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On August 18 2014 09:17 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:16 Undead1993 wrote:On August 18 2014 09:15 Faefae wrote:On August 18 2014 09:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On August 18 2014 09:13 Faefae wrote:
GG herO !! I was soooooo sure he was dead when he was 70 supply down + 1 base down omg! ??? Yes ? i don't think he was down 70 supply in this game, it was maybe 30 or smth, but not 70 He was down 60 supply.
hmm maybe i am sleepy, sry then
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seems like a pretty random helion build, dunno
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On August 18 2014 09:17 KingAlphard wrote:
Why would you nerf the mothership core? It's useful only in the early-mid game, which are already the stages where terran has the higher winrate, most likely higher than 50% too. Protoss wins most of the times only in the lategame, although scv pulls are so popular (precisely for this reason) that we don't even see those kind of games anymore.
It is useful throughout the game because it prevents the opponent from getting the funny idea to basetrade, alone having not to worry about that makes it useful in the lategame.
Oh and Terrans are pissed about the MsC preventing like 90% of their early game stuff, so Protoss can't be slowed down on the path to the perfect composition. So the hate against this unit is understandable :p
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Oddjob as a stalker would be the most terrifying thing ever.
edit: Second mine was slacking. It could have gotten kills if it actually burrowed.
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uh oh, journey really couldn't afford to lose those widow mines
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On August 18 2014 09:18 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:17 KingAlphard wrote:
Why would you nerf the mothership core? It's useful only in the early-mid game, which are already the stages where terran has the higher winrate, most likely higher than 50% too. Protoss wins most of the times only in the lategame, although scv pulls are so popular (precisely for this reason) that we don't even see those kind of games anymore. Recall and overcharge are useful at all points in the game I'd say.
Why would you need to recall or overcharge in split map situations vs terran? It's not like you build nexus in the middle of the map and you can afford hts and cannons in all your expansions to defend from drop.
Also, it gets sniped everytime by vikings or EMP'd by ghosts.
I was suggesting that what breaks PvT is the lategame, not the early/mid game.
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Protoss just toss the warp prisms in the air and they can't change height after that ^^
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On August 18 2014 09:20 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2014 09:17 KingAlphard wrote:
Why would you nerf the mothership core? It's useful only in the early-mid game, which are already the stages where terran has the higher winrate, most likely higher than 50% too. Protoss wins most of the times only in the lategame, although scv pulls are so popular (precisely for this reason) that we don't even see those kind of games anymore. It is useful throughout the game because it prevents the opponent from getting the funny idea to basetrade, alone having not to worry about that makes it useful in the lategame. Oh and Terrans are pissed about the MsC preventing like 90% of their early game stuff, so Protoss can't be slowed down on the path to the perfect composition. So the hate against this unit is understandable :p
yea theres no early-mid-late separate games, it's all one game. if you're safe early you can do more later, more gas. more time to tech to ________??? whatever you want. that was the problem with 50 baneling pre-wm buff zvt
i think the msc is ok but terran should have some more early versatility to make the MU interesting
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