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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
June 16 2014 18:48 GMT
#1461
On June 17 2014 03:47 stuchiu wrote:
I should get an icon.

You should get a blank space as icon

if you know what i mean
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 16 2014 18:48 GMT
#1462
On June 17 2014 03:47 phil.ipp wrote:
yeah but does that mean every zerg has to drop a roachwarren the minute he sees a hellion, cause it could be possible that the terran hits the transform button?

does that not seem stupid..

what level do you play this game at? you can scout this attack by seeing the armory or double reactor. how is a blind roach warren dumb when that's also necessary in zvp if you don't have intel?
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
June 16 2014 18:49 GMT
#1463
On June 17 2014 03:46 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:45 DJHelium wrote:
On June 17 2014 03:43 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So how do you stop these hellbat pushes?


Blind roaches or banelings or 2 base muta.

It's very hard to do something reactively against it though, since when you scout it (using OL speed), it's already too late.

Nice game from Taeja.


You can imply it fairly heavy by the add-on configuration and hellion count. If the Terran goes over 6 hellions you simply have to drop some form of tech to deal with it.


I'm not certain of the timings, but I dont think scouting the 4th pair of hellions is fast enough (at least for some pushes).

Also we saw some players go for 8 hellions 3CC even before the hellbat changes. If you go defensive roaches you fall behind some. But maybe it's needed, I dunno.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
June 16 2014 18:49 GMT
#1464
On June 17 2014 03:47 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:47 phil.ipp wrote:
yeah but does that mean every zerg has to drop a roachwarren the minute he sees a hellion, cause it could be possible that the terran hits the transform button?

does that not seem stupid..


many zergs have built roaches to counter hellions pre-patch as well and it never cost them the game


boom
IMMVP // HIKARU NAKAMURA // DEREK JETER // GARETH BALE
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 16 2014 18:49 GMT
#1465
On June 17 2014 03:47 stuchiu wrote:
I should get an icon.


Please get a spawning pool combined with a 10 supply screenshot
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
June 16 2014 18:49 GMT
#1466
no i mean there should be more than one way to deal with this.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 16 2014 18:49 GMT
#1467
On June 17 2014 03:47 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:47 phil.ipp wrote:
yeah but does that mean every zerg has to drop a roachwarren the minute he sees a hellion, cause it could be possible that the terran hits the transform button?

does that not seem stupid..


many zergs have built roaches to counter hellions pre-patch as well and it never cost them the game

yup this patch is basically a completely fair and manageable nerf to zerg's snowball economy and the fact that people see it differently is hilarious
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8159 Posts
June 16 2014 18:49 GMT
#1468
Zerg tears yum yum
StrategyTaeJa #1 || @TL_Jer99 || "seeker seeked out his seeking"
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 16 2014 18:50 GMT
#1469
banshees
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
June 16 2014 18:50 GMT
#1470
On June 17 2014 03:49 DJHelium wrote:
If you go defensive roaches you fall behind some.

it's not "behind," that's the point of the patch. before this patch as zerg you're ahead automatically as long as you play a crisp defense up to 4base
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
June 16 2014 18:50 GMT
#1471
I don't pity a single zerg that dies to normal hellbat pushes.

And I am a fan of many zergs, JD, scarlett, snute but they all play blindly
Rain.100
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany946 Posts
June 16 2014 18:51 GMT
#1472
On June 17 2014 03:49 phil.ipp wrote:
no i mean there should be more than one way to deal with this.

then go banelings?
I have to return some videotapes. Maru and MarineLorD <3
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
June 16 2014 18:51 GMT
#1473
CMON JD make a spore like you did last game
Jerom
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands588 Posts
June 16 2014 18:51 GMT
#1474
gg
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
June 16 2014 18:51 GMT
#1475
On June 17 2014 03:50 Waise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2014 03:49 DJHelium wrote:
If you go defensive roaches you fall behind some.

it's not "behind," that's the point of the patch. before this patch as zerg you're ahead automatically as long as you play a crisp defense up to 4base


Yeah that might be correct!
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#1476
taeja should have gone for 5 banshees
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8246 Posts
June 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#1477
This isn't good for Jaedong. He's dead.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45925 Posts
June 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#1478
0-2 x.x Sigh.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
June 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#1479
Great hold from TaeJa
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
June 16 2014 18:53 GMT
#1480
Dayum JD, why u no safe
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