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On June 16 2014 07:53 stuchiu wrote:
This isn't ZvP, you can't just roll over a Protoss with crappy upgrades because of superior army comp.
Both zerg and terran get rolled in straight up fights against protoss. We can't roach/hydra/viper our way to win the game. All it takes is 1 phoenix scout and a few templars and the protoss can easily hold. Once he has enough army he can just roll over us.
That's why everyone goes swarm hosts or muta basetrade nowdays.. and even then it's really really hard. 6 terrans 1 protoss 1 zerg in the ro8, almost all zergs lost to protoss in the group stage.
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Taeja T_T. Screw wrist problems. The bane of all Terrans.
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Taeja should really switch to EU. No one can stop him there.
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So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 16 2014 08:00 D-light wrote:
So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing.
It was a MKP gg.
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At least we might have either Taeja or Jaedong in the finals because of the bracket.
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I was about to say that I think ForGG could have done a bit better by getting WM against toss that game. They don't really care about upgrade differences, they are relatively cheep and fast to produce, they move as fast as bio and they allow you to cost efficiently clear/weaken the zealots so your bio can get to the core of the toss army and destroy it.
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On June 16 2014 07:58 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 07:55 sAsImre wrote:On June 16 2014 07:55 Destructicon wrote:
Ok fun fact guys. +3 attack immortals do 65 damage to armored, Marauders have 125 HP and +1 armor. Thus simple math proves that marauders with just +1 armor would be 2 shot by immortals because they'd take 65-2x 2 which is more then their 125. If ForGG only had 2/2 his marauders could have lived slightly longer, thus doing slightly more DPS etc.
Yes upgrades matter, especially such a huge upgrade difference. fun facts. It's never pure imo vs marau so your math is useless. Zealots are also a lot tankier, especially vs marines because each armor upgrade difference reduces marine damage by 1/6, with 2 upgrade difference they where 1/3 less effective. Believe me, my math is far from useless, it further proves that upgrades are really, really fucking good.
armor upgrade is not that good, especially against huge numbers where it's worthless. your hypothetical situation is just dumb and worthless (1. There are other units that deal dmg, 2marau stim and lose 10hp, 3 medivacs heal). Armor upgrades are way better vs colo (you're supposed to kite zeal) since they've a relatively low *2 attack.
And ofc upgrades are great, ppl know that for almost 4years now but your argument is irrevelant. You claim like you made a discovery that was made in early wol, pretty amusing.
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I want Nathanias in a Mario suit
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On June 16 2014 08:00 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:00 D-light wrote:
So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing. It was a MKP gg.
What does a Creator gg look like in terms of retirement?
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On June 16 2014 08:00 D-light wrote:
So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing.
And choya.
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On June 16 2014 08:01 Destructicon wrote:
I was about to say that I think ForGG could have done a bit better by getting WM against toss that game. They don't really care about upgrade differences, they are relatively cheep and fast to produce, they move as fast as bio and they allow you to cost efficiently clear/weaken the zealots so your bio can get to the core of the toss army and destroy it.
I can agree with that. Or ghosts to emp
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See ya tomorrow then, where either First or MC wins the tourney!
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ForGG always loses in the most fucked up ways it seems
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 16 2014 08:02 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:00 D-light wrote:
So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing. And choya.
Choya is a cowboy though.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On June 16 2014 08:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:00 stuchiu wrote:On June 16 2014 08:00 D-light wrote:
So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing. It was a MKP gg. What does a Creator gg look like in terms of retirement?
Hahahah, Guess Creator burns down the house with the computer before he retires.
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On June 16 2014 08:01 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 07:58 Destructicon wrote:On June 16 2014 07:55 sAsImre wrote:On June 16 2014 07:55 Destructicon wrote:
Ok fun fact guys. +3 attack immortals do 65 damage to armored, Marauders have 125 HP and +1 armor. Thus simple math proves that marauders with just +1 armor would be 2 shot by immortals because they'd take 65-2x 2 which is more then their 125. If ForGG only had 2/2 his marauders could have lived slightly longer, thus doing slightly more DPS etc.
Yes upgrades matter, especially such a huge upgrade difference. fun facts. It's never pure imo vs marau so your math is useless. Zealots are also a lot tankier, especially vs marines because each armor upgrade difference reduces marine damage by 1/6, with 2 upgrade difference they where 1/3 less effective. Believe me, my math is far from useless, it further proves that upgrades are really, really fucking good. armor upgrade is not that good, especially against huge numbers where it's worthless. your hypothetical situation is just dumb and worthless (1. There are other units that deal dmg, 2marau stim and lose 10hp, 3 medivacs heal). Armor upgrades are way better vs colo (you're supposed to kite zeal) since they've a relatively low *2 attack. And ofc upgrades are great, ppl know that for almost 4years now but your argument is irrevelant. You claim like you made a discovery that was made in early wol, pretty amusing.
Wtf about what I said was hypothetical, we just saw ForGG get destroyed last game because of a 4 upgrade difference despite being up massively in supply. There is nothing hypothetical about your army dying too fast because toss units have so much damage from the upgrade differences or the fact that your army does too little damage to theirs to clear it in time, again due to the upgrade differences.
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On June 16 2014 08:04 kaykoose wrote:
ForGG always loses in the most fucked up ways it seems
That's why I love watching his games. Never fails to disappoint!
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On June 16 2014 08:05 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 08:02 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On June 16 2014 08:00 stuchiu wrote:On June 16 2014 08:00 D-light wrote:
So when koreans retire they pretty much do retire probably, except MarineKing. It was a MKP gg. What does a Creator gg look like in terms of retirement? Does Creator gg weird?
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So were there any good matches in the group stage 3 that I should check out?
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