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United States97274 Posts
On June 11 2014 21:01 BeaTeR wrote:
Hey Pande, you've got a mistake in the result section of your OP
Was it just Maru vs Soulkey game 3 or were there more? Should be fixed now
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On June 11 2014 20:58 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:55 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:54 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:52 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:50 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:48 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:47 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:46 Zealously wrote:On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote:
Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map. You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable He meant for non top tier koreans Do they even deserve it? If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho. Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho  No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty. Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ? Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh. TaeJa, Bomber, Polt. I am talking worldwide. No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level. What is Code S level? We have people we consider bad in the Code S ro32 too. Doesn't mean shit. The only thing that matters is BlizzCon in the end. 5-6 terrans will be able to make it. Edit: in addition, i added MMA and jjakji to the list.
The way the standings are now not one T playing in KR will make it. WCS KR system is a complete mess with it being this easy to farm points for mediocre players.
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On June 11 2014 20:55 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:54 Morphage wrote:On June 11 2014 20:52 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:50 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:48 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:47 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:46 Zealously wrote:On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote:
Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map. You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable He meant for non top tier koreans Do they even deserve it? If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho. Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty. Compared to how many Zerg and Protoss ? There are more Zerg and Protoss players worldwide than there are Terrans. It makes sense that there are more good Protoss/Zergs than there are Terrans if more people play them.
From the stats listed here it seems to pretty even. Then in the higher leagues (GM, Masters) Protoss and Zerg outnumber Terrans a lot, but surely these players are just naturally better at the game?
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Chances are the recommended game polls won't be reliable today
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United States97274 Posts
On June 11 2014 21:03 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:58 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:55 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:54 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:52 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:50 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:48 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:47 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:46 Zealously wrote:
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You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable He meant for non top tier koreans Do they even deserve it? If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho. Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty. Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ? Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh. TaeJa, Bomber, Polt. I am talking worldwide. No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level. What is Code S level? We have people we consider bad in the Code S ro32 too. Doesn't mean shit. The only thing that matters is BlizzCon in the end. 5-6 terrans will be able to make it. Edit: in addition, i added MMA and jjakji to the list. The way the standings are now not one T playing in KR will make it. WCS KR system is a complete mess with it being this easy to farm points for mediocre players.
the removal of the season finals really hurt WCS KR players that can't travel
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As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
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On June 11 2014 20:58 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 20:57 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:55 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:54 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:52 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:50 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 20:48 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 20:47 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On June 11 2014 20:46 Zealously wrote:On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote:
Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map. You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable He meant for non top tier koreans Do they even deserve it? If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho. Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty. Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ? Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh. TaeJa, Bomber, Polt. I am talking worldwide. No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level. MMA has a much better argument than Bomber atm but even then kind of a stretch for Code S level
What is code S level? Level fluctuates too much in starcraft. I remember seeing paralyze play few months ago and he was really bad. Now he's a solid protoss who overachieved during this season.
He doesn't look better than guys like Taeja, Flash or MMA to me.
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
for someone who plays dota 18 hrs a day you sure know a lot about sc2
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On June 11 2014 21:04 lichter wrote:
Chances are the recommended game polls won't be reliable today
I don't know for Classic vs Paralyze, but I assure you Maru vs SoulKey did deliver some awesome games. Especially if you are into epic baneling focus, hit and run, and overall awesome micro. Special mention to g3 and its huge harvesters graveyard.
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On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
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On June 11 2014 21:06 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
for someone who plays dota 18 hrs a day you sure know a lot about sc2
I watch dota and forget to close the program
mr M, pls.
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On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
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On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
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On June 11 2014 21:15 AWalker9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers. Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
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On June 11 2014 21:18 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:15 AWalker9 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers. Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps? Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Well, in all honesty tho when was the last time you saw a blink all-in in tvp?
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On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Mvp was close to that level of dominance.
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On June 11 2014 21:18 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:15 AWalker9 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers. Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps? Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Maybe when the game will be "perfectly" balanced, we will see big dominance.
But BW was way more mechanically based than sc2. In SC2 you can be on the top without being a macro god. Look at sOs or Polt for instance, both of them aren't really spectacular in micro and macro. I doubt they would have ever performed in BW.
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On June 11 2014 21:21 Skynx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:18 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:15 AWalker9 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers. Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps? Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard. Well, in all honesty tho when was the last time you saw a blink all-in in tvp?
ToD went for blink allin yesterday against Yoda.
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Canada8157 Posts
On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Feels like SC2 is more volatile than BW, little mistakes mean much more than they did in BW and they cost you the win
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On June 11 2014 21:23 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2014 21:18 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:15 AWalker9 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:10 Wintex wrote:On June 11 2014 21:09 Faust852 wrote:On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote:
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another. Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers. Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps? Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard. Maybe when the game will be "perfectly" balanced, we will see big dominance. But BW was way more mechanically based than sc2. In SC2 you can be on the top without being a macro god. Look at sOs or Polt for instance, both of them aren't really spectacular in micro and macro. I doubt they would have ever performed in BW.
uuh
+ Show Spoiler [sOs bw tlpd] +http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=1101&part=main&include_standard_leagues=1&include_special_events=1&include_offline_events=1
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