GSL S2 Code S - Classic is at ~ 29.43 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 58.49 % of the time Classic wins and their chances go up to ~ 44.17 %. ~ 41.51 % of the time Classic loses and their chances go down to ~ 8.66 %. ------------------------------------------------- - ParalyzE is at ~ 6.88 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 41.51 % of the time ParalyzE wins and their chances go up to ~ 14.55 %. ~ 58.49 % of the time ParalyzE loses and their chances go down to ~ 1.43 %.
GSL S2 Code S - Soulkey is at ~ 29.64 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 52.99 % of the time Soulkey wins and their chances go up to ~ 47.21 %. ~ 47.01 % of the time Soulkey loses and their chances go down to ~ 9.84 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Maru is at ~ 28.35 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 47.01 % of the time Maru wins and their chances go up to ~ 47.16 %. ~ 52.99 % of the time Maru loses and their chances go down to ~ 11.66 %.
GSL S2 Code S - Classic is at ~ 29.61 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 58.5 % of the time Classic wins and their chances go up to ~ 44.45 %. ~ 41.5 % of the time Classic loses and their chances go down to ~ 8.69 %. ------------------------------------------------- - ParalyzE is at ~ 6.95 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 41.5 % of the time ParalyzE wins and their chances go up to ~ 14.72 %. ~ 58.5 % of the time ParalyzE loses and their chances go down to ~ 1.45 %.
GSL S2 Code S - Soulkey is at ~ 29.99 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 54.4 % of the time Soulkey wins and their chances go up to ~ 46.92 %. ~ 45.6 % of the time Soulkey loses and their chances go down to ~ 9.81 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Maru is at ~ 26.09 % chances for top 16 points of 2014 ~ 45.6 % of the time Maru wins and their chances go up to ~ 44.65 %. ~ 54.4 % of the time Maru loses and their chances go down to ~ 10.53 %.
God bless BW intros. If Maru isn't sandbagging stuff for last few weeks, then it's 3-1 or even 3-0 for Soulkey. At least, i hope he's preparing to be cheesed helluvalot and summoned ladder cheesers to help him.
And in SKT T1 PvP, i don't really care. But if it's going to be Paralyze, will be sick lol. If starting map is Alterzim/Frost, then Classic 3-1, if little map - Paralyze 3-2.
So what are the chances Paralyze, Solar or TRUE will end up taking this thing? I feel it's at 2% but then again I never saw them getting this far as it is.
On June 11 2014 11:00 caznitch wrote: So what are the chances Paralyze, Solar or TRUE will end up taking this thing? I feel it's at 2% but then again I never saw them getting this far as it is.
You mean their chances to win the tournament? From WCS Predictor -
GSL S2 Code S Zest has a ~ 26.27 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 99.99 % to ~ 100 % Soulkey has a ~ 17.95 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 29.98 % to ~ 97.36 % Classic has a ~ 14.17 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 29.63 % to ~ 99.97 % Solar has a ~ 13.28 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 21.88 % to ~ 98.42 % Maru has a ~ 10.56 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 26.11 % to ~ 99.98 % soO has a ~ 9.75 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 40.53 % to ~ 100 % ParalyzE has a ~ 4.73 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 6.95 % to ~ 90.83 % TRUE has a ~ 3.28 % chance to win. This would increase their chances from ~ 4.2 % to ~ 88.93 %
Heart: Paralyze and Maru advance. Paralyze only because I think he's the easier one for Maru to beat, and Classic did beat Maru 2-0 in the Ro32 last season.
edit: the other half of me wants Classic, Parting, soO and Zest to advance, so it's 3 SKT players with Zest and Zest wins his second GSL in a row, with a semi-finals consisting only of SKT opponents. Keep his SKT dominance strong.
It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Soulkey would die too, unless Maru can hide it well enough that Soulkey doesn't build roaches and controls his lings horribly as usual
On June 11 2014 15:30 lichter wrote: Will Maru try more hellbat pushes?
It doesn't seem like the kind of thing that Soulkey would die too, unless Maru can hide it well enough that Soulkey doesn't build roaches and controls his lings horribly as usual
The super standardized LRs get kinda dull after a short while. Gotta spice that up a bit, just like any other relationship.
You can volunteer you know xD
I do them at work and i can only use paint so i could never re do a whole theme, i just add snarky polls which lol at Shellybot/Lichter/Lorning/OPTown/Zealously
lmao, that's not the reaction i expected. i have a Latin exam on Friday i've been studying for since February, i don't think that one hour the PvP will take is gonna make a huge difference.
On June 11 2014 18:00 Schelim wrote: lmao, that's not the reaction i expected. i have a Latin exam on Friday i've been studying for since February, i don't think that one hour the PvP will take is gonna make a huge difference.
don't bother for a dead language anyway, choose the daed game!
On June 11 2014 18:00 Schelim wrote: lmao, that's not the reaction i expected. i have a Latin exam on Friday i've been studying for since February, i don't think that one hour the PvP will take is gonna make a huge difference.
I had exams on the 19th of May, and stayed away from all games and all streams for a month in advance to prepare. Studying is important, brew.
It's important to take breaks though, so I guess you can use that as an excuse.
On June 11 2014 18:00 Schelim wrote: lmao, that's not the reaction i expected. i have a Latin exam on Friday i've been studying for since February, i don't think that one hour the PvP will take is gonna make a huge difference.
I had exams on the 19th of May, and stayed away from all games and all streams for a month in advance to prepare. Studying is important, brew.
It's important to take breaks though, so I guess you can use that as an excuse.
yeah i already put in 2.5 hours today and i have the rest of the day for myself and my Latin texts. actually i'm translating some shit right now. one would think it gets less annoying when you've been doing it for a while, but at this point i get so frustrated every time i realize i have to look up a word in the dictionary.
I still can't believe that either of these players will be in the Semifinals, they are not the names you look at start of a season and say, Yeah they'll be in the Round of 4.
On June 11 2014 18:24 Pandemona wrote: Well Classic in trouble game 1
yes, I was gonna say Paralyze s doing well!
I hope you do not have to go to the bank/post office or whatever today, it would be a shame to miss SK vs Maru
Haha i do, i have to go everyday But im sure that this won't last as long as Pro League casts do due to 1, being a bo5 PvP and 2 it starting 30minute earlier and having less breaks in between.
I will miss banking for Maru vs Soulkey though, that should be a great series :D
On June 11 2014 18:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I still can't believe that either of these players will be in the Semifinals, they are not the names you look at start of a season and say, Yeah they'll be in the Round of 4.
ParalyzE i can agree with, but Classic has been very solid the last 2-3 months.
On June 11 2014 18:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I still can't believe that either of these players will be in the Semifinals, they are not the names you look at start of a season and say, Yeah they'll be in the Round of 4.
Classic is easily among the top 5 Protoss players, together with Zest, Rain, herO and sOs. He is playing great, and is doing a lot better than Parting lately against both T and Z, and Parting is still great player.
On June 11 2014 18:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I still can't believe that either of these players will be in the Semifinals, they are not the names you look at start of a season and say, Yeah they'll be in the Round of 4.
Classic is a top tier player...in the other two matchups.
On June 11 2014 18:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I still can't believe that either of these players will be in the Semifinals, they are not the names you look at start of a season and say, Yeah they'll be in the Round of 4.
ParalyzE i can agree with, but Classic has been very solid the last 2-3 months.
I don't know what it is about him, but I haven't been convinced by Classic this season. I feel like he was much stronger back when he made his run at IEM Cologne, but this season he's just looked, I don't know, kinda sloppy and average. His round of 32 games were sorely disappointing, with him getting through by Hydra being even more disappointing. I don't feel like he's playing the way that he should be for Round of 8.
On June 11 2014 18:36 Pandemona wrote: ParalyzE again opening Phoenix to shut down early Oracle pressure. Classic going for the full 3-0 build order loss?
This happening 3 games in a row would be hilariously stupid. At least we would get to the good match faster...
On June 11 2014 18:36 Pandemona wrote: ParalyzE again opening Phoenix to shut down early Oracle pressure. Classic going for the full 3-0 build order loss?
This happening 3 games in a row would be hilariously stupid. At least we would get to the good match faster...
Yeah at the highest level it is mind mind mind games though so who knows. But yeah be pretty lol to lose 3-0 in a row because your oracle opening got straight up shut down and hard countered 3 games in a row xD
Classic PartinG mode confirmed. Fast 3rd!!!!!!
OMG ParalyzE going hit perfect timing? Holy shit ;o
Just a reminder that Paralyze made it to Code S last season in the Wildcard Qualifier - he had to scratch and claw his way in after a finishing 3rd in his Code A group, beating Trust, then beating 3 Terrans (the last 2 of which he had to play in a quintuple Round Robin) in a season in which PvT was more heavily Protoss-favored than any season this game has ever seen. And now, only one season later, he's in the Round of 8 and leading.
On June 11 2014 18:27 KingofdaHipHop wrote: I still can't believe that either of these players will be in the Semifinals, they are not the names you look at start of a season and say, Yeah they'll be in the Round of 4.
ParalyzE i can agree with, but Classic has been very solid the last 2-3 months.
I don't know what it is about him, but I haven't been convinced by Classic this season. I feel like he was much stronger back when he made his run at IEM Cologne, but this season he's just looked, I don't know, kinda sloppy and average. His round of 32 games were sorely disappointing, with him getting through by Hydra being even more disappointing. I don't feel like he's playing the way that he should be for Round of 8.
Ro32 maybe, but what about Ro16, with him getting first out of the group with herO, Parting and SoO in it?
All players are sloppy from time to time, but in the end what is important is playing good when it matters. I would rate Life and Rain higher than Classic, but they really didn't show anything in this Ro16, while Classic destroyed his group.
Thats what you get when you go home and make a 3rd when you have a 10-15 supply bigger ground army..... ParalyzE had it won, went home and tried to out macro Classic, however he didn't know Classic had 6 probes more than him.
On June 11 2014 18:48 Dingodile wrote: Both played Archons more in front than zealots. Is that correct way to fight?
They didn't, it just zealots evaporated immidietly under the archons fire. It was about the numbers, Classic probably had few more Archons and made a warpin round, when paralyze didn't made his warpin
On June 11 2014 18:48 Dingodile wrote: Both played Archons more in front than zealots. Is that correct way to fight?
Not usually. This scenario worked out better for Classic because Paralyze's zealots were charging into a timewarp and the archons got extra shots off by being in the front before his zealots charged around them.
On June 11 2014 18:48 Dingodile wrote: Both played Archons more in front than zealots. Is that correct way to fight?
Not usually. This scenario worked out better for Classic because Paralyze's zealots were charging into a timewarp and the archons got extra shots off by being in the front before his zealots charged around them.
I thought there are times when you want to preserve some of your Zealot count while Immortals thin out the Archon count?
On June 11 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote: Damn it, I could do without this break. I may not get to see Maru vs SK after all.
10minutes a game? 3 more games. Won't be any more breaks in between this series yet, its 3 games in a row now. Then a 10min break+interview for Maru and Soulkey. 40minutes i would say until we see Maru vs Soulkey game 1 Ooo fast 3 stalker rush from ParalyzE?
On June 11 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote: Damn it, I could do without this break. I may not get to see Maru vs SK after all.
10minutes a game? 3 more games. Won't be any more breaks in between this series yet, its 3 games in a row now. Then a 10min break+interview for Maru and Soulkey. 40minutes i would say until we see Maru vs Soulkey game 1
On June 11 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote: Damn it, I could do without this break. I may not get to see Maru vs SK after all.
10minutes a game? 3 more games. Won't be any more breaks in between this series yet, its 3 games in a row now. Then a 10min break+interview for Maru and Soulkey. 40minutes i would say until we see Maru vs Soulkey game 1 Ooo fast 3 stalker rush from ParalyzE?
Hmm, might be able to squeeze in game 1. 11pm is the latest I like to leave it before bed with a (busy) work day the next day.
On June 11 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote: Damn it, I could do without this break. I may not get to see Maru vs SK after all.
10minutes a game? 3 more games. Won't be any more breaks in between this series yet, its 3 games in a row now. Then a 10min break+interview for Maru and Soulkey. 40minutes i would say until we see Maru vs Soulkey game 1 Ooo fast 3 stalker rush from ParalyzE?
Hmm, might be able to squeeze in game 1. 11pm is the latest I like to leave it before bed with a (busy) work day the next day.
On June 11 2014 18:52 aZealot wrote: Damn it, I could do without this break. I may not get to see Maru vs SK after all.
10minutes a game? 3 more games. Won't be any more breaks in between this series yet, its 3 games in a row now. Then a 10min break+interview for Maru and Soulkey. 40minutes i would say until we see Maru vs Soulkey game 1 Ooo fast 3 stalker rush from ParalyzE?
Hmm, might be able to squeeze in game 1. 11pm is the latest I like to leave it before bed with a (busy) work day the next day.
On June 11 2014 18:48 Dingodile wrote: Both played Archons more in front than zealots. Is that correct way to fight?
Not usually. This scenario worked out better for Classic because Paralyze's zealots were charging into a timewarp and the archons got extra shots off by being in the front before his zealots charged around them.
I thought there are times when you want to preserve some of your Zealot count while Immortals thin out the Archon count?
Depends, I don't think it's worth it to put your archons in the front like that unless you know you have a timewarp and the other guy doesn't. Because it works against you too since your archons die to their immortals faster.
I'm not an expert on it though, my PvP is really bad and I'm more of a colossus player
Alright, that is freakin' cool. I wonder if anyone's ever tried to do that in an engagement. "I can't afford to lose this Swarm Host, and he has detection so I can't burrow. BUT WAIT!"
On June 11 2014 19:16 Lorning wrote: I've never heard an air alarm here. I don't think Belgium even has one, which is weird considering we were right in the middle of the 2 world wars
On June 11 2014 19:16 Lorning wrote: I've never heard an air alarm here. I don't think Belgium even has one, which is weird considering we were right in the middle of the 2 world wars
We have one and its tested every first monday of the month at noon. So if you want to attack us, do it then xD
Good job to [iNot]Tefel for winning that crazy game in the end after all the weird spine crawler siegeing of the nat and nearly dying to the counter push
On June 11 2014 19:30 herMan wrote: I wonder how many different cheeses Maru can bring to the table. It's no secret that zerg is favored against terran nowadays
On June 11 2014 19:30 herMan wrote: I wonder how many different cheeses Maru can bring to the table. It's no secret that zerg is favored against terran nowadays
A lot of that dominance has been put into flux due to the recent hellbat timings. I think its a bit too soon to say a certain race has a lead or not.
On June 11 2014 19:30 herMan wrote: I wonder how many different cheeses Maru can bring to the table. It's no secret that zerg is favored against terran nowadays
Hellbat Change really changed a lot. WIll be fun to see what Maru can do with this
On June 11 2014 19:34 herMan wrote: It's true that the hellbat buff has mixed things up. Roaches are a must if you want to survive early hellbat aggression
Maru vs Soulkey - I vaguely remember watching their match in a major comptetition in 2013. Where could it have been and what was the score? Also is there a place where I can look up stuff like this? Input two player names and see their record against each other.
On June 11 2014 19:35 Szgk wrote: Maru vs Soulkey - I vaguely remember watching their match in a major comptetition in 2013. Where could it have been and what was the score?
They've played several times in the past, but Maru has never won.
On June 11 2014 19:35 Szgk wrote: Maru vs Soulkey - I vaguely remember watching their match in a major comptetition in 2013. Where could it have been and what was the score?
They've played several times in the past, but Maru has never won.
"In these games, Maru is 3–13 (18.75%) in games and 0–8 (0.00%) in matches against Soulkey." From Aligulac.
On June 11 2014 19:35 Szgk wrote: Maru vs Soulkey - I vaguely remember watching their match in a major comptetition in 2013. Where could it have been and what was the score? Also is there a place where I can look up stuff like this? Input two player names and see their record against each other.
On June 11 2014 19:35 Szgk wrote: Maru vs Soulkey - I vaguely remember watching their match in a major comptetition in 2013. Where could it have been and what was the score?
They've played several times in the past, but Maru has never won.
"In these games, Maru is 3–13 (18.75%) in games and 0–8 (0.00%) in matches against Soulkey." From Aligulac.
On June 11 2014 19:35 Szgk wrote: Maru vs Soulkey - I vaguely remember watching their match in a major comptetition in 2013. Where could it have been and what was the score? Also is there a place where I can look up stuff like this? Input two player names and see their record against each other.
THORS ARE HERE :D Haha, this is quite beautiful build order, but it has big holes in it that EffOrt exploited yesterday. Soulkey not so much. MORE NYDUS
On June 11 2014 19:46 Foreverkul wrote: Banshee + Thor NEW META!
2012 mvp says hi
Yeah Banshee-Mech was brought into popularity by Mvp in WoL. But it looks like it might be better with the buffs?
Well they are completely different openings, styles and goals for the two builds. Opening hellbats definitely looks more viable than 2fact blueflame like mvp used to do tho
See what i would of done there is made a marine and killed overlord and went back home made 2nd rax for reaper and turned normal game with supply blocked Soulkey
i wonder if you could ever proxy the barracks in different locations on the map to fake out the proxy reaper when you're actually running 11/11 marines. would there be an actual difference in the end?
On June 11 2014 19:51 opterown wrote: i wonder if you could ever proxy the barracks in different locations on the map to fake out the proxy reaper when you're actually running 11/11 marines. would there be an actual difference in the end?
Wouldn't really make too much difference to the way the Zerg reacts though would it?
Man watching Soulkeys builds are things I think most Terrans would lose to (even other pro terrans) and I'd be super frustrated. But Maru just handles it all so well.
Making that 2nd big round of roaches seemed questionable. He interrupted a bit of mining on the 3rd but overall it was a lot of resources spent for little gain.
Maru is soooooooo good. That game was so impressive. How in such a scrappy game, losing units left and right, Maru manages to stay 100% on point with his macro and suddenly has 180 supply with 3/3 finishing up and a 4th base established. Even while microing frantically for his life he doesn't miss a beat in any area.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Pandemona wrote: As if Maru won on the 2 Zerg maps in Waystation and Merry Go Round xD What he going do on Overgrowth and Habibtation Station?! lolol
Merry Go Round isn't a Zerg map, and Habitation isn't a Terran map.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Pandemona wrote: As if Maru won on the 2 Zerg maps in Waystation and Merry Go Round xD What he going do on Overgrowth and Habibtation Station?! lolol
Merry Go Round isn't a Zerg map, and Habitation isn't a Terran map.
Overgrowth not terran favor too. We might se a lift gold on Habitation if we get to it.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Pandemona wrote: As if Maru won on the 2 Zerg maps in Waystation and Merry Go Round xD What he going do on Overgrowth and Habibtation Station?! lolol
Merry Go Round isn't a Zerg map, and Habitation isn't a Terran map.
Merry Go Round isn't a T map in TvZ HSC should of answered that for you. Habitation Station is a T map for Maru in TvZ due to the shenanigans he pulls on said map. Floating to gold or just straight up 2rax.
Also i forgot its not Habitation Station it's King Sejong Station which is best Terran map xD
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
Not close to Mvp relatively speaking.
Obviously in the absolute sense better. Rarely are people in starcraft from the past are better.
I think we should maybe stop using "relative" in front of everything because it makes things confusing. "Relative Mvp level", what does that even mean? =/
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
Not close to Mvp relatively speaking.
Obviously in the absolute sense better. Rarely are people in starcraft from the past are better.
I think we should maybe stop using "relative" in front of everything because it makes things confusing. "Relative Mvp level", what does that even mean? =/
means he would have to win like 5 premiers in 2 months including ones in Korea so no one is going to be relative Mvp level
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
Not close to Mvp relatively speaking.
Obviously in the absolute sense better. Rarely are people in starcraft from the past are better.
I don't know, for me Maru is much better than all the other Terrans. And I don't think it was fair to expect from Maru the same dominance on the other 2 races.
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
On June 11 2014 20:05 Incognoto wrote: Maru is the perfect guy to cheer for; underdog yet stellar performance
guys
he's SO FUCKING GOOD WHAT THE FUCK
How is Maru the underdog, bar his bad record v Soullkey?
because soulkey is a fucking monster, to put it politely
maru is amazing but soulkey is also amazing.
Underdogs I'd only use as a phrase if there's a big difference in class or something, but yeah. This rivalry is not comparable to Mvp/MKP, because Soulkey and Maru are equally good IMO :p
Genuinely wondering if Maru's been grinding TvZ hardcore lately, it's looked impressive whereas in the last few TvPs I've seen from him they weren't quite as good
On June 11 2014 20:05 Incognoto wrote: Maru is the perfect guy to cheer for; underdog yet stellar performance
guys
he's SO FUCKING GOOD WHAT THE FUCK
How is Maru the underdog, bar his bad record v Soullkey?
because soulkey is a fucking monster, to put it politely
maru is amazing but soulkey is also amazing.
Underdogs I'd only use as a phrase if there's a big difference in class or something, but yeah. This rivalry is not comparable to Mvp/MKP, because Soulkey and Maru are equally good IMO :p
Genuinely wondering if Maru's been grinding TvZ hardcore lately, it's looked impressive whereas in the last few TvPs I've seen from him they weren't quite as good
I think Mvp and MKP were on the same level skill-wise at least a few times when they faced off, but MKP never stood a chance. It wasn't necessarily his skills that were lacking.
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
Pretty much. I hate experience requirements 100 %, understand why they are there, and understand that a person's passion for the work to be done is better than experience. It shouldn't take long for a person to learn how to do shit, but having someone do a lot of work because he wants to should be what we should be striving for ;;...
Man, I'm never gonna get a job... My biggest fear.
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
Pretty much. I hate experience requirements 100 %, understand why they are there, and understand that a person's passion for the work to be done is better than experience. It shouldn't take long for a person to learn how to do shit, but having someone do a lot of work because he wants to should be what we should be striving for ;;...
Man, I'm never gonna get a job... My biggest fear.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
Stronger as in better mechanics, crisper builds and smarter play (highly doubtful, by the way), or stronger as in just as in even farther ahead of the competition than Mvp was in his prime?
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
People will always fight about this.
The only fact we CAN measure is championships and money won, and even that isn't necessarily fair. Nobody matches Mvp's tournament winning accomplishments. Nobody.
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
Pretty much. I hate experience requirements 100 %, understand why they are there, and understand that a person's passion for the work to be done is better than experience. It shouldn't take long for a person to learn how to do shit, but having someone do a lot of work because he wants to should be what we should be striving for ;;...
Man, I'm never gonna get a job... My biggest fear.
We should start our own banner company
Maybe we should. World cup sponsors would probably like our sexy banners.
On June 11 2014 20:05 Incognoto wrote: Maru is the perfect guy to cheer for; underdog yet stellar performance
guys
he's SO FUCKING GOOD WHAT THE FUCK
How is Maru the underdog, bar his bad record v Soullkey?
because soulkey is a fucking monster, to put it politely
maru is amazing but soulkey is also amazing.
Underdogs I'd only use as a phrase if there's a big difference in class or something, but yeah. This rivalry is not comparable to Mvp/MKP, because Soulkey and Maru are equally good IMO :p
Genuinely wondering if Maru's been grinding TvZ hardcore lately, it's looked impressive whereas in the last few TvPs I've seen from him they weren't quite as good
I think Mvp and MKP were on the same level skill-wise at least a few times when they faced off, but MKP never stood a chance. It wasn't necessarily his skills that were lacking.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
People will always fight about this.
The only fact we CAN measure is championships and money won, and even that isn't necessarily fair. Nobody matches Mvp's tournament winning accomplishments. Nobody.
Skill will always be debatable.
Don't think you can ever say about the money vs money war. Way more money in SC2 when MVP was good. Championships can be talked about but again people can mention the state of the game to what it is now to then.
I will always compare on korean titles won. And MVP is ahead...for now :D
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
I'm gonna flat out say no.
For one he plays people that are far better.
Does not matter. Mvp was miles ahead of anyone at his time.
We do not compare bonjwas that way either, because for one, protoss didn't know how to play the game vs Zerg before 2007.
The landscape has to be taken in consideration, but then you have to think how the player is if you compare it to the big pond. I'm sorry. I do not believe what you say. Please come with proof, but I will live in denial before saying yes to that statement. Mvp is the only player I can flat out say is way more impressive than Bomber.
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
Pretty much. I hate experience requirements 100 %, understand why they are there, and understand that a person's passion for the work to be done is better than experience. It shouldn't take long for a person to learn how to do shit, but having someone do a lot of work because he wants to should be what we should be striving for ;;...
Man, I'm never gonna get a job... My biggest fear.
Eh. Just apply. "experience" and "license" and all that is just mentioned to keep clueless people away. If you have studied for it then just do it. I believe in you, Wintex + Show Spoiler +
On June 11 2014 20:06 graNite wrote: why do all jobs require experience in this job? how do you ever start working?!
If not, don't go to school get a job somewhere and work up!
Easier said than done, in my experience.
Of course, but it can be done is what i am implying. It isn't easy both ways in todays world.
basically impossible in Norway at this point. I think the only thing you could possibly do is work yourself up to manager at a convenience store, but you'd have to work there for like a decade before you can.
Pretty much. I hate experience requirements 100 %, understand why they are there, and understand that a person's passion for the work to be done is better than experience. It shouldn't take long for a person to learn how to do shit, but having someone do a lot of work because he wants to should be what we should be striving for ;;...
Man, I'm never gonna get a job... My biggest fear.
Eh. Just apply. "experience" and "license" and all that is just mentioned to keep clueless people away. If you have studied for it then just do it. I believe in you, Wintex + Show Spoiler +
not really but I feel peppy today
I know they are, but I do not know how it'll be in 5 years, when I've hopefully finished my Master.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
I'm gonna flat out say no.
For one he plays people that are far better.
Does not matter. Mvp was miles ahead of anyone at his time.
We do not compare bonjwas that way either, because for one, protoss didn't know how to play the game vs Zerg before 2007.
The landscape has to be taken in consideration, but then you have to think how the player is if you compare it to the big pond. I'm sorry. I do not believe what you say. Please come with proof, but I will live in denial before saying yes to that statement. Mvp is the only player I can flat out say is way more impressive than Bomber.
Ok come on now Bomber is really not that impressive :D
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
I'm gonna flat out say no.
For one he plays people that are far better.
Does not matter. Mvp was miles ahead of anyone at his time.
We do not compare bonjwas that way either, because for one, protoss didn't know how to play the game vs Zerg before 2007.
The landscape has to be taken in consideration, but then you have to think how the player is if you compare it to the big pond. I'm sorry. I do not believe what you say. Please come with proof, but I will live in denial before saying yes to that statement. Mvp is the only player I can flat out say is way more impressive than Bomber.
Ok come on now Bomber is really not that impressive :D
"MarineKing is my way of terran" mimimiimiimi mimimimimii LOL. Have you seen how his macro skill is better than any other terran's?
If he could fuse with Mvp, there would be no contest in the world.
On June 11 2014 20:03 Daswollvieh wrote: So, Maru´s a macro player now. That´s frightening. He´s reaching Mvp levels of Terran.
Relative Mvp level maybe, but he's actually so much better than Mvp ever was (at least mechanically).
I don't think so, Mvp in his prime was like the alpha and the omega of SC2, nearly like what Flash was in BW.
no, no. Maru is pretty clearly stronger than MVP ever was.
People will always fight about this.
The only fact we CAN measure is championships and money won, and even that isn't necessarily fair. Nobody matches Mvp's tournament winning accomplishments. Nobody.
Skill will always be debatable.
yes, but just because something is debateable doesn't mean there isn't a right answer. it just means people disagree and they can't be proven wrong.
Now that game is everything that I wanted from a series like this with Soulkey and Maru playing, I hope that, regardless what happens, we see more games like that.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
I wish you knew anything about StarCraft 2 before you spoke.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
I wish you knew anything about StarCraft 2 before you spoke.
Yeah and probably play with his mouse only no?? Terran is playable
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Thats ofc true, watching Maru play is just awesome
I've never seen 2 base muta shut down so hard ever. But what really impressed me was the defense of that roach, bling attack, that was just unbelievable, the rest of the game was just a formality afterwards, but props to Soulkey for hanging in there when other zergs might have just died.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
Well there would need to be Terrans playing for him to realize that lol...anyways go Maru vs Zest finals, hoping Maru wins it!
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
Maru gets his TvP in the semi finals as well which is perfect :D Potential final incoming for him. Then either Zest or a Zerg await! With the way his TvZ was then hopefully Maru will win season 2 again of WCS
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
Well there would need to be Terrans playing for him to realize that lol...anyways go Maru vs Zest finals, hoping Maru wins it!
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Compared to how many Zerg and Protoss ?
There are more Zerg and Protoss players worldwide than there are Terrans. It makes sense that there are more good Protoss/Zergs than there are Terrans if more people play them.
On June 11 2014 20:52 Faust852 wrote: Anyway hopefully he won the 4th map because Alterazim was the 5th map. Knowing SK, I doubt Maru could have win this one.
On June 11 2014 06:21 BlackCompany wrote: Hoping for Maru but i guess Soulkey will do Soulkey-things and stomp him 3-1 SK because he cant stop all the cheeses
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt.
I am talking worldwide.
No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level.
MMA has a much better argument than Bomber atm but even then kind of a stretch for Code S level
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt.
I am talking worldwide.
No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level.
What is Code S level? We have people we consider bad in the Code S ro32 too. Doesn't mean shit.
The only thing that matters is BlizzCon in the end. 5-6 terrans will be able to make it. Edit: in addition, i added MMA and jjakji to the list.
On June 11 2014 20:52 Faust852 wrote: Anyway hopefully he won the 4th map because Alterazim was the 5th map. Knowing SK, I doubt Maru could have win this one.
alterzim is terran favoured in winrate at least
I don't really like winrate on map based from TLPD. I mean, every terrans will tell you that Alterazim is much zerg favored because of easy 4th and 5th, and huge distance. At the highest level where drop are countered quite easily, this map is probably the worst of all.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt.
I am talking worldwide.
No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level.
Except that they have been and still play at the highest levels?
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt, MMA, jjakji
10 I am talking worldwide.
I don't know. I don't think these guy /Taeja can compete on the same level as Maru and Innovation. Polt is terrible in TvZ nowadays, Jjakji has big problems in TvP. Bomber is Bomber so sometime he is the best player in the world, sometime he is weaker than me :3. I personnaly think that players like Reality, Fantasy or Cure are ahead of them too.
Really, I'd say Maru > Innovation = Taeja >>> the rest. Beside those three, I don't see any terran winning a championship soon.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt.
I am talking worldwide.
No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level.
What is Code S level? We have people we consider bad in the Code S ro32 too. Doesn't mean shit.
The only thing that matters is BlizzCon in the end. 5-6 terrans will be able to make it. Edit: in addition, i added MMA and jjakji to the list.
The way the standings are now not one T playing in KR will make it. WCS KR system is a complete mess with it being this easy to farm points for mediocre players.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Compared to how many Zerg and Protoss ?
There are more Zerg and Protoss players worldwide than there are Terrans. It makes sense that there are more good Protoss/Zergs than there are Terrans if more people play them.
From the stats listed here it seems to pretty even. Then in the higher leagues (GM, Masters) Protoss and Zerg outnumber Terrans a lot, but surely these players are just naturally better at the game?
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt.
I am talking worldwide.
No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level.
What is Code S level? We have people we consider bad in the Code S ro32 too. Doesn't mean shit.
The only thing that matters is BlizzCon in the end. 5-6 terrans will be able to make it. Edit: in addition, i added MMA and jjakji to the list.
The way the standings are now not one T playing in KR will make it. WCS KR system is a complete mess with it being this easy to farm points for mediocre players.
the removal of the season finals really hurt WCS KR players that can't travel
As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt.
I am talking worldwide.
No way Bomber and Polt are on Code S level.
MMA has a much better argument than Bomber atm but even then kind of a stretch for Code S level
What is code S level? Level fluctuates too much in starcraft. I remember seeing paralyze play few months ago and he was really bad. Now he's a solid protoss who overachieved during this season. He doesn't look better than guys like Taeja, Flash or MMA to me.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
for someone who plays dota 18 hrs a day you sure know a lot about sc2
On June 11 2014 21:04 lichter wrote: Chances are the recommended game polls won't be reliable today
I don't know for Classic vs Paralyze, but I assure you Maru vs SoulKey did deliver some awesome games. Especially if you are into epic baneling focus, hit and run, and overall awesome micro. Special mention to g3 and its huge harvesters graveyard.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
for someone who plays dota 18 hrs a day you sure know a lot about sc2
I watch dota and forget to close the program mr M, pls.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Well, in all honesty tho when was the last time you saw a blink all-in in tvp?
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Maybe when the game will be "perfectly" balanced, we will see big dominance. But BW was way more mechanically based than sc2. In SC2 you can be on the top without being a macro god. Look at sOs or Polt for instance, both of them aren't really spectacular in micro and macro. I doubt they would have ever performed in BW.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Well, in all honesty tho when was the last time you saw a blink all-in in tvp?
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Feels like SC2 is more volatile than BW, little mistakes mean much more than they did in BW and they cost you the win
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Maybe when the game will be "perfectly" balanced, we will see big dominance. But BW was way more mechanically based than sc2. In SC2 you can be on the top without being a macro god. Look at sOs or Polt for instance, both of them aren't really spectacular in micro and macro. I doubt they would have ever performed in BW.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Maybe when the game will be "perfectly" balanced, we will see big dominance. But BW was way more mechanically based than sc2. In SC2 you can be on the top without being a macro god. Look at sOs or Polt for instance, both of them aren't really spectacular in micro and macro. I doubt they would have ever performed in BW.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Mvp was close to that level of dominance.
He basically had one year with a 70% winrate against korean opponents, that will never be reached again, he deserves special recognition for it imo. But obviously the competition now is WAY harder
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Well, in all honesty tho when was the last time you saw a blink all-in in tvp?
ToD went for blink allin yesterday against Yoda.
Err, he did not. But for the sake of not derailing the conversation, success and consistency is highly dependant on the current meta and map pool imo. By highly I mean high high. herO just couldn't lose to terrans on yeonsu. Dear handled his lategame army very well before ghost and widow mine changes, blink play was one of his main strengths aswell.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
I doubt we will ever see those in SC2 which really sucks. I think it's just cause of how SC2 works.
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt, MMA, jjakji
10 I am talking worldwide.
I don't know. I don't think these guy /Taeja can compete on the same level as Maru and Innovation. Polt is terrible in TvZ nowadays, Jjakji has big problems in TvP. Bomber is Bomber so sometime he is the best player in the world, sometime he is weaker than me :3. I personnaly think that players like Reality, Fantasy or Cure are ahead of them too.
Really, I'd say Maru > Innovation = Taeja >>> the rest. Beside those three, I don't see any terran winning a championship soon.
Innovation < Taeja and it's not even close. I wouldn't say Maru or Taeja is better than the other.
On June 11 2014 21:05 Wintex wrote: As always people overrate ProLeague players more than ever. Let me remind you that the staple Code S Terrans left Korea. It might've been because it was too hard, but a lot of them got sponsors etc from EU or AM. It was probably a decision to get to as many events as possible, to not miss BlizzCon.
Anyway it's so hard to be consistant in SC2 these days. Just look at all these n°1 protoss. Anyone remember Dear being called the best player by the end of 2013 ? :p It moves too fast to call someone better than another.
Yeah, I wish the game had greats like brood war. I wonder why they all fall and not one person conquers.
Maybe because balance is dictated by Blizzard moreso than maps?
Even when there is no changes by blizzard, people just fall off hard.
Well, in all honesty tho when was the last time you saw a blink all-in in tvp?
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt, MMA, jjakji
10 I am talking worldwide.
I don't know. I don't think these guy /Taeja can compete on the same level as Maru and Innovation. Polt is terrible in TvZ nowadays, Jjakji has big problems in TvP. Bomber is Bomber so sometime he is the best player in the world, sometime he is weaker than me :3. I personnaly think that players like Reality, Fantasy or Cure are ahead of them too.
Really, I'd say Maru > Innovation = Taeja >>> the rest. Beside those three, I don't see any terran winning a championship soon.
Innovation < Taeja and it's not even close. I wouldn't say Maru or Taeja is better than the other.
Nah, Inno deserves all the praise he gets, guy's a beast man.
In terms of most consistently dominant it's more these top players go into monster mode and rape, then drop a bit. Beneath that you have guys who are always there or thereabouts but don't explode.
For Terrans in the last while you had Taeja wrecking, Inno showing up at the end of wings and first months of HoTs, Maru for the last bit and with the ascension of one the predecessor drops off a bit. Bubbling slightly below that (nowadays) are the Bombers and the Polts who can win anything on their day, but are less liable to stomp everyone on an extended period.
With Protoss see Dear, now Zest, with Rain and Parting sticking around but peaking less.
I would lose my shit if a bunch of these guys peaked at the same time, it'd be monstrous. Sometimes I think it's just mental fatigue, sometimes it's clearly patches having an influence too. Innovation showed the best Biomine play ever seen, no coincidence that his play dropped a bit with the mine nerf. Maru's midgame tempo style of TvP benefits more from the +shield damage than say a Taeja who plays for the lategame.
These guys are all monsters, just it's nigh on impossible to maintain dominance in SC2 while balance changes and yes, the mechanical margins are more compressed than in BW. As the game is easier, so it is harder as individual engagements and decisions take on more importance, getting everything right consistently is hard as fuck.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt, MMA, jjakji
10 I am talking worldwide.
I don't know. I don't think these guy /Taeja can compete on the same level as Maru and Innovation. Polt is terrible in TvZ nowadays, Jjakji has big problems in TvP. Bomber is Bomber so sometime he is the best player in the world, sometime he is weaker than me :3. I personnaly think that players like Reality, Fantasy or Cure are ahead of them too.
Really, I'd say Maru > Innovation = Taeja >>> the rest. Beside those three, I don't see any terran winning a championship soon.
Innovation < Taeja and it's not even close. I wouldn't say Maru or Taeja is better than the other.
Nah, Inno deserves all the praise he gets, guy's a beast man.
In terms of most consistently dominant it's more these top players go into monster mode and rape, then drop a bit. Beneath that you have guys who are always there or thereabouts but don't explode.
For Terrans in the last while you had Taeja wrecking, Inno showing up at the end of wings and first months of HoTs, Maru for the last bit and with the ascension of one the predecessor drops off a bit. Bubbling slightly below that (nowadays) are the Bombers and the Polts who can win anything on their day, but are less liable to stomp everyone on an extended period.
With Protoss see Dear, now Zest, with Rain and Parting sticking around but peaking less.
I would lose my shit if a bunch of these guys peaked at the same time, it'd be monstrous. Sometimes I think it's just mental fatigue, sometimes it's clearly patches having an influence too. Innovation showed the best Biomine play ever seen, no coincidence that his play dropped a bit with the mine nerf. Maru's midgame tempo style of TvP benefits more from the +shield damage than say a Taeja who plays for the lategame.
These guys are all monsters, just it's nigh on impossible to maintain dominance in SC2 while balance changes and yes, the mechanical margins are more compressed than in BW. As the game is easier, so it is harder as individual engagements and decisions take on more importance, getting everything right consistently is hard as fuck.
is this an incontrol quote, or is this incontrol's smurf account?
I always feel that when people bring up MVP, there should be a question mark of how dominant he could've been if it hadn't been for his wrists. At his peak, he was beating basically everyone else who was at the top (except mma, who lived in his head). Then wrists struck and he disappeared for a bit, and then back to back get finals, winning one. Doesn't matter if the competition is harder now, who knows how well he could've been without the injury? Even with it, still made it a 4th gel title.
And I it still boggles me that people compare taeja to maru. They are 2 different players. Maru plays amazing in prep style tournie (gsl, wcs) and taeja plays well at 3-4 day tournie (dh, hsc) s. And he has wrist injuries (ie practising for a specific opponent over and over not as easy perhaps?). I put more merit in gsl style, but then again its much like MVP. What I'd wrists weren't injured?
Objectively, I would rank it maru> Taeja~inno. (depending on form) and then bbyong.
Really love watching Maru's games. There's always a twist in a series, different builds brought onto each games, keeps his opponent's guessing. Imo if he approached this series with normal macro bio mines/hellbat builds it would be on soulkey's favour.
Personally i think last week cheese mode followed by no cheese at all today was brilliant move by Maru.
On June 11 2014 22:45 Niteblade_ wrote: I always feel that when people bring up MVP, there should be a question mark of how dominant he could've been if it hadn't been for his wrists. At his peak, he was beating basically everyone else who was at the top (except mma, who lived in his head). Then wrists struck and he disappeared for a bit, and then back to back get finals, winning one. Doesn't matter if the competition is harder now, who knows how well he could've been without the injury? Even with it, still made it a 4th gel title.
And I it still boggles me that people compare taeja to maru. They are 2 different players. Maru plays amazing in prep style tournie (gsl, wcs) and taeja plays well at 3-4 day tournie (dh, hsc) s. And he has wrist injuries (ie practising for a specific opponent over and over not as easy perhaps?). I put more merit in gsl style, but then again its much like MVP. What I'd wrists weren't injured?
Didn't Mvp went on full on mech during his last GSL final againts Life (god mode then) because of his wrist injury? Not sure if its true, but it makes sense since mech takes easier on his wrist with a slower pace game than bio. He almost won that game with 4-3 score.
Could Mvp wrist problem cause him to practice less since then which lead to him no performing that well these days? Maybe
All in all i think he's the most accomplished sc2 player to date. Hope Maru can achieve similar or better eventually.
On another note: Maybe this is why Maru performed so "terriable" in PL; as his focus was on Soulkey, and Soulkey alone. Personally I agree with this choice; it both payed off, and he managed to shake off some old ghosts
On June 11 2014 22:45 Niteblade_ wrote: I always feel that when people bring up MVP, there should be a question mark of how dominant he could've been if it hadn't been for his wrists. At his peak, he was beating basically everyone else who was at the top (except mma, who lived in his head). Then wrists struck and he disappeared for a bit, and then back to back get finals, winning one. Doesn't matter if the competition is harder now, who knows how well he could've been without the injury? Even with it, still made it a 4th gel title.
And I it still boggles me that people compare taeja to maru. They are 2 different players. Maru plays amazing in prep style tournie (gsl, wcs) and taeja plays well at 3-4 day tournie (dh, hsc) s. And he has wrist injuries (ie practising for a specific opponent over and over not as easy perhaps?). I put more merit in gsl style, but then again its much like MVP. What I'd wrists weren't injured?
Didn't Mvp went on full on mech during his last GSL final againts Life (god mode then) because of his wrist injury? Not sure if its true, but it makes sense since mech takes easier on his wrist with a slower pace game than bio. He almost won that game with 4-3 score.
Could Mvp wrist problem cause him to practice less since then which lead to him no performing that well these days? Maybe
All in all i think he's the most accomplished sc2 player to date. Hope Maru can achieve similar or better eventually.
Mvp has stated as much that he is barely able to practice several times in the past. I know he had a close series with Leenock that by the end he was saying he couldn't feel his hands anymore. Watching his play when his wrists started to give out, you can really see the difference in just how much slower he was getting and how he was changing his style to help compensate. I have no doubt in my mind that if Mvp's wrists hadn't given out, he would still be one of, if not the best player in SC2.
On June 12 2014 00:39 ReMinD_ wrote: No VoDs for this? I tried opening game 1 of SK vs. Maru on twitch/gsl, but it requires a subscription.
You need to subscribe to gomEXP for $50 a year - Which is less than $5 a month. So do it already!
Why? WCS EU and NA allow source quality streaming and has free vods.
If you're asking why GSL isn't free, it's because GSL is not a WCS event. It's a premier tournament that offers WCS points. If you're asking why should you subscribe? Because Maru is in it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On June 11 2014 20:45 mechengineer123 wrote: Maru is so far ahead of anyone else in the world. If Terran was actually playable he could probably win gsl without dropping a map.
You probably don't watch a lot of Starcraft if you think Terran is unplayable
He meant for non top tier koreans
Do they even deserve it?
If we make terran easier, this is less impressive... I wish Mech tvp was possible tho.
Saying that is kinda unfair for all the other terrans players tho
No, we have like 8 terrans that are good enough for this difficulty.
Innovation, Bbyong, TY, Flash, SuperNova ?
Appart from Innovation, I don't see any of them reaching ro16 code S tbh.
TaeJa, Bomber, Polt, MMA, jjakji
10 I am talking worldwide.
I don't know. I don't think these guy /Taeja can compete on the same level as Maru and Innovation. Polt is terrible in TvZ nowadays, Jjakji has big problems in TvP. Bomber is Bomber so sometime he is the best player in the world, sometime he is weaker than me :3. I personnaly think that players like Reality, Fantasy or Cure are ahead of them too.
Really, I'd say Maru > Innovation = Taeja >>> the rest. Beside those three, I don't see any terran winning a championship soon.
Innovation < Taeja and it's not even close. I wouldn't say Maru or Taeja is better than the other.
Taeja is NOTHING compared to innovation or Maru dude..
is there a way to upgrade my subscription from the high quality one ($55) to the source quality one ($90)? the blurriness of the HQ gives me a headache ;;
On June 12 2014 07:25 JonIrenicus wrote: Got a question to ask:
1- Where can I see the vod of the recommended games?
Thanks to whoever will answer
You have to click the Twitch.tv link in the OP then subscribe to access the VOD service. It is like $50 for the whole season now or something, that is the only way.
EPT
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