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myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
April 27 2014 10:19 GMT
#701
On April 27 2014 19:15 Noocta wrote:
Razer should spend more time making their products better instead of doing so much marketing.
And that's coming from a guy who had a full razer set of peripherals.

Never understood that, I was always comfortable with medium tier hardware. Razor mouse would not make you a better player
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
April 27 2014 10:20 GMT
#702
looking forward to Stardust vs MC finals lol
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
April 27 2014 10:20 GMT
#703
On April 27 2014 19:19 gillon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:15 kaykoose wrote:
MC outplayed TY


Goddamn, do I disagree.


Zealot zealot high templar ez pz.
Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
April 27 2014 10:20 GMT
#704
On April 27 2014 19:19 Lorning wrote:
Would be amazing if Zanster could take this

Fighting


twitch chat would break
Terran forever | Maru hater forever
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
April 27 2014 10:20 GMT
#705
On April 27 2014 19:09 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:
TY ahead 80 Supply after perfect EMPs and engagement from multiple angles.
Still losing to deathball afterwards. Protossed


And he lost his whole army after wasting Vikings and getting his ghost caught.
Good micro = 80 supply up, No micro = 80 supply down.

Sounds about right


80 supply as protoss = congratulations, you've won the game
80 supply as terran = babysit everything or you're dead in 2 seconds

Sounds about right

I didn't wanna start balance whine.
I don't think this is protoss specific, this is terran specific.

Fights can be over too fast, if you are not watching one sec. That was always the problem with sc2. In BroodWar you had to fight your way through the whole game, gain small advantage and fight it out till the end.
In SC2 the problem is: if you play out your 300+ apm terran style perfectly it is an awesome race, in the beginning of WoL some considered it even OP.
But even in WoL there was one problem: if you don't look at your army for one sec or clumb it up: you die to either banelings on creep, fungals or 2-3 storms. After 2 secs everything can be dead. And that is SO annoying as you try to gain advantages 15-20 minutes and then you lose because of 2-3 casts or units with extreme speed and splash damage etc.(ofc you could split, and micro etc.)

I like back and forth games, but at this point of time, only PRO(!) TvZ seems to be like it. Ofc the game is balanced around it but below that level it is just amazingly frustrtating to lose to a much lesser player that just counts on surprising you or a moves and pushes some button after a few secs while you split and cast and drop and harass like a madman.... but that is no balance whine as said, it is just the ladder experience for some.


myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
April 27 2014 10:21 GMT
#706
And I shall laugh when MC loses to some non-terran at next stage, and everyone shall be happy.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 27 2014 10:21 GMT
#707
Snute going Kang Dong Hyun
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Noonius
Profile Joined April 2012
Estonia17413 Posts
April 27 2014 10:21 GMT
#708
On April 27 2014 19:20 scypio wrote:
looking forward to Stardust vs MC finals lol


you mean MC vs ToD, right?

Terran forever | Maru hater forever
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
April 27 2014 10:21 GMT
#709
On April 27 2014 19:19 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:13 scypio wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:11 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:09 juvenal wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Boss + Toss = ?!

everyone can be bosstoss these days. They even played a funny game "crown a new one every other tournament" until zest showed consistence.

Why is everyone replying with balance whining? Is it like this ALL the time? Just fucking admit that player A sucked and player B ruled and that's why the game ended up the way it did. Blame the player, not the game.


Because seeing the same race win every single thing is boring and mindnumbing. Have you seen 2014 results?

Nope. But this was a common trend in Broodwar as well, races performing well. Blaming it all on the game and dev. fixes is rofl. Balance is a sensitive thing. By neglecting the players as "the balancers" you piss on the Esports as you think you know how the game should be, changing the core again and again. You can never reach perfection except within yourself. Take a good look in the mirror and think: Why me?

You started off making sense and then came self reflection nonsense wth
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
April 27 2014 10:21 GMT
#710
On April 27 2014 19:14 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:09 juvenal wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Boss + Toss = ?!

everyone can be bosstoss these days. They even played a funny game "crown a new one every other tournament" until zest showed consistence.


Piss off, not everyone can play like MC.

right you are: herO, $100000$ and zest are better.
Michael Probu
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18775 Posts
April 27 2014 10:21 GMT
#711
thank god JD decided to cancel the hatch I see so many zergs waste time in the main and let the hatch live...
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
April 27 2014 10:22 GMT
#712
On April 27 2014 19:17 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:15 Qwerty85 wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:12 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:11 architecture wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:08 herMan wrote:
OK before people start to scream for injustice, here's a few things TY did wrong:

1. drops didn't do shit after 15min mark
2. didn't repair/produce more vikings -> colossi reign supreme
3. bad attack positions such as attacking the fourth from the north in a bottleneck, resulting in being killed while routed
4. didn't keep MC's economy in check
5. afraid to deny MC's third after deflecting the all-in


1. drops late game are shit because of massive gate count + warpin, but the same 10 food in your main army doesnt do shit either
2. yea this was a big mistake
4. what economy? mc had less mining

4. ofc MC had less mining, it's TvP


That doesn't make any sense. Protoss has less mineral mining in TvP because they are more gas dependent but protoss is usually not behind in income compared to terran because their mineral/gas ratio of units is much better than terran ratio.

So in typical TvP 2 base protoss actually has slightly better economy than 2 base terran so that is why terran needs to be ahead a base to be even. In this particular game, MC was on 45 probes most of the time which is like 20 short of what protoss should have.

No, usually terran is ahead in economy, mules.


You haven't read the word I said, did you? Especially the part about mineral mining?
Nah, just forget it, I won't be dragged into bnet forum level of discussion with you.
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 27 2014 10:22 GMT
#713
On April 27 2014 19:21 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:14 liberate71 wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:09 juvenal wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:06 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Boss + Toss = ?!

everyone can be bosstoss these days. They even played a funny game "crown a new one every other tournament" until zest showed consistence.


Piss off, not everyone can play like MC.

right you are: herO, $100000$ and zest are better.

herO lost against TY the last time they met
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
April 27 2014 10:22 GMT
#714
On April 27 2014 19:16 Lorning wrote:
For those interested
(T)Maru vs (Z)Soulkey coming up in PL
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2proleague

THANK YOU forgot about PL!
good that I have 3 monitors, but now I am overloaded with media, i need a 4th one to flame on TL-LR Thread of both tourneys :D (yeah I already splitscreened the Forums)
myminerals
Profile Joined August 2013
560 Posts
April 27 2014 10:23 GMT
#715
On April 27 2014 19:20 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2014 19:09 scypio wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:08 Inflicted_ wrote:
On April 27 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:
TY ahead 80 Supply after perfect EMPs and engagement from multiple angles.
Still losing to deathball afterwards. Protossed


And he lost his whole army after wasting Vikings and getting his ghost caught.
Good micro = 80 supply up, No micro = 80 supply down.

Sounds about right


80 supply as protoss = congratulations, you've won the game
80 supply as terran = babysit everything or you're dead in 2 seconds

Sounds about right

I didn't wanna start balance whine.
I don't think this is protoss specific, this is terran specific.

Fights can be over too fast, if you are not watching one sec. That was always the problem with sc2. In BroodWar you had to fight your way through the whole game, gain small advantage and fight it out till the end.
In SC2 the problem is: if you play out your 300+ apm terran style perfectly it is an awesome race, in the beginning of WoL some considered it even OP.
But even in WoL there was one problem: if you don't look at your army for one sec or clumb it up: you die to either banelings on creep, fungals or 2-3 storms. After 2 secs everything can be dead. And that is SO annoying as you try to gain advantages 15-20 minutes and then you lose because of 2-3 casts or units with extreme speed and splash damage etc.(ofc you could split, and micro etc.)

I like back and forth games, but at this point of time, only PRO(!) TvZ seems to be like it. Ofc the game is balanced around it but below that level it is just amazingly frustrtating to lose to a much lesser player that just counts on surprising you or a moves and pushes some button after a few secs while you split and cast and drop and harass like a madman.... but that is no balance whine as said, it is just the ladder experience for some.



and that is why BW is a much more difficult game
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 27 2014 10:23 GMT
#716
Snute!
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Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
April 27 2014 10:23 GMT
#717
Hyun did a LOT to try and force that, but god damn, Snute was just too good there.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 27 2014 10:23 GMT
#718
(Z)Snute takes game 1
Poll: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 1?

★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
 
0%

★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
 
11%

★★★- Good game (4)
 
44%

★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
 
44%

★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
 
0%

9 total votes

Your vote: Recommend HyuN vs Snute Game 1?

(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
(Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do
(Vote): ★★★- Good game
(Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game
(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season

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NaldoR
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore2198 Posts
April 27 2014 10:24 GMT
#719
Whoo. Good play by Snute. Close to a foreigner win
Undead1993
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany17651 Posts
April 27 2014 10:24 GMT
#720
is zvz the savior of esports?
SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO SEKO
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