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On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny.
Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game.
And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers..
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On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny.
SoO made 2 finals in a row now. Isn't that what consistency is about?
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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers..
Saying that soO isn't a top player is just silly.
PartinG, player which will appear in probably everyone's top-10 if not top-5 never made A SINGLE GSL FINAL even if he has mediocre PvZ to say the best.
And soO just made 2, 2 in a row, which in era where new GSL doesn't happen every month, never being absolutely atrocious besides it and he's solid in every matchup.
Rock solid is one of definitions of being "top". And soO is real definition of rock solid.
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Bisutopia19400 Posts
On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers..
Ignore this guy. Callin soO faceless is just a blatant insult that people think is cool to do when they don't pay attention to SC2 very well. It is so frustrating to see people still getting on the forums here and seriously belittling players undeservedly. And here's a nice picture of soO being dominant for longer then a few months. Hopefully next time this guy will educate himself before posting.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/gH8naVp.png)
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On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers..
Domination = winning tournaments. Placing high consistently just means you're good. That's not domination. The game is volatile. soulkey has placed HIGH, but he hasn't won a championship for a while, and pretty sure he got eliminated in this season's group stages of gsl. guys like taeja and polt will suffer random eliminations, as does liquid hero and so on and so forth
innovation hyped up as the greatest ever. then hellbat nerf came and he fell off after getting picked apart by terrans in tournaments, then fall off even harder after he joined foreign team
dear won two back to back tournaments, only to fall off after joining foreign team.
sos wins the ultimate wcs tourney only to fall off completely, and randomly wins the IEM world tourney, only to get owned in the gsl upon return to korea.
then there are the quick one off GSL champs like seed, sniper, roro, jjakji
i can keep going. again, the game is too volatile, and yesterday's faceless guy is tomorrow's fan favorite. whoever wins this will be a favorite a while, but then will most likely drop off
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Life finds a way! + Show Spoiler +to lose to a SKT Zerg in a match of importance...
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United States97277 Posts
On March 29 2014 05:03 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers.. Ignore this guy. Callin soO faceless is just a blatant insult that people think is cool to do when they don't pay attention to SC2 very well. It is so frustrating to see people still getting on the forums here and seriously belittling players undeservedly. And here's a nice picture of soO being dominant for longer then a few months. Hopefully next time this guy will educate himself before posting.
yeah it's not like he came out of nowhere either. Early on in the KeSPA switch to SC2 I believe both MajOr and Rain said soO was one of if not the best player on SKT at sc2 so he's been playing pretty well for quite a while
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On March 29 2014 02:31 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2014 20:10 boxerfred wrote:
WHY THE FUCK DID LIFE NOT HAVE AN EARLIER OVERLORD ON THAT BASE WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT KID HE'S LIKE THE DESTROYER OF MY HAPPINESS SERIOUSLY
everybody welcome another faceless boring korean in a gsl final. Zest better 4-0 him I remember people calling sOs "faceless korean"... and then he won 2 100k tournaments
So, Life has a face but soO doesn't? Please explain?
Oh wait this is probably just fanboy rage.
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Bisutopia19400 Posts
On March 29 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 05:03 BisuDagger wrote:On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers.. Ignore this guy. Callin soO faceless is just a blatant insult that people think is cool to do when they don't pay attention to SC2 very well. It is so frustrating to see people still getting on the forums here and seriously belittling players undeservedly. And here's a nice picture of soO being dominant for longer then a few months. Hopefully next time this guy will educate himself before posting. yeah it's not like he came out of nowhere either. Early on in the KeSPA switch to SC2 I believe both MajOr and Rain said soO was one of if not the best player on SKT at sc2 so he's been playing pretty well for quite a while
Happy birthday shellbot! soO has been solid since BW days too. He's been a consistent zerg for skt many years now sc2 included.
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Belgica34432 Posts
On March 29 2014 06:11 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 05:35 Shellshock wrote:On March 29 2014 05:03 BisuDagger wrote:On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers.. Ignore this guy. Callin soO faceless is just a blatant insult that people think is cool to do when they don't pay attention to SC2 very well. It is so frustrating to see people still getting on the forums here and seriously belittling players undeservedly. And here's a nice picture of soO being dominant for longer then a few months. Hopefully next time this guy will educate himself before posting. yeah it's not like he came out of nowhere either. Early on in the KeSPA switch to SC2 I believe both MajOr and Rain said soO was one of if not the best player on SKT at sc2 so he's been playing pretty well for quite a while Happy birthday shellbot! soO has been solid since BW days too. He's been a consistent zerg for skt many years now sc2 included.
I always liquibetted him back then cause he had pink hair in his TLPD pic
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SoO happy that Life lost.
soO is the upgraded version of Hyuk.
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That was such a tense series, one of the best ive seen in awhile! was rooting for life but I cant be mad at soO for the games he played last night and what he has accomplished, damn that was fun to watch!
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On March 29 2014 05:18 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers.. Domination = winning tournaments. Placing high consistently just means you're good. That's not domination. The game is volatile. soulkey has placed HIGH, but he hasn't won a championship for a while, and pretty sure he got eliminated in this season's group stages of gsl. guys like taeja and polt will suffer random eliminations, as does liquid hero and so on and so forth innovation hyped up as the greatest ever. then hellbat nerf came and he fell off after getting picked apart by terrans in tournaments, then fall off even harder after he joined foreign team dear won two back to back tournaments, only to fall off after joining foreign team. sos wins the ultimate wcs tourney only to fall off completely, and randomly wins the IEM world tourney, only to get owned in the gsl upon return to korea. then there are the quick one off GSL champs like seed, sniper, roro, jjakji i can keep going. again, the game is too volatile, and yesterday's faceless guy is tomorrow's fan favorite. whoever wins this will be a favorite a while, but then will most likely drop off
You realize that just because noone is dominating by your definition it doesnt mean the game is to blame. F1 can be doninated very hard, but when no Sebastian Vettel in a topnotch RedBull is around it can also lead to 3different champions in 3different seasons and no player winning more than 4-5races in a season.
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On March 29 2014 05:18 fishjie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers.. Domination = winning tournaments. Placing high consistently just means you're good. That's not domination. The game is volatile. soulkey has placed HIGH, but he hasn't won a championship for a while, and pretty sure he got eliminated in this season's group stages of gsl. guys like taeja and polt will suffer random eliminations, as does liquid hero and so on and so forth innovation hyped up as the greatest ever. then hellbat nerf came and he fell off after getting picked apart by terrans in tournaments, then fall off even harder after he joined foreign team dear won two back to back tournaments, only to fall off after joining foreign team. sos wins the ultimate wcs tourney only to fall off completely, and randomly wins the IEM world tourney, only to get owned in the gsl upon return to korea. then there are the quick one off GSL champs like seed, sniper, roro, jjakji i can keep going. again, the game is too volatile, and yesterday's faceless guy is tomorrow's fan favorite. whoever wins this will be a favorite a while, but then will most likely drop off
There are few sports in general that have that kind of a dominating player/team, because the level of competition is so high.
And imagine a tournament without any upsets. Wouldn't this be boring as hell?
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On March 29 2014 17:57 absinthfee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 05:18 fishjie wrote:On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers.. Domination = winning tournaments. Placing high consistently just means you're good. That's not domination. The game is volatile. soulkey has placed HIGH, but he hasn't won a championship for a while, and pretty sure he got eliminated in this season's group stages of gsl. guys like taeja and polt will suffer random eliminations, as does liquid hero and so on and so forth innovation hyped up as the greatest ever. then hellbat nerf came and he fell off after getting picked apart by terrans in tournaments, then fall off even harder after he joined foreign team dear won two back to back tournaments, only to fall off after joining foreign team. sos wins the ultimate wcs tourney only to fall off completely, and randomly wins the IEM world tourney, only to get owned in the gsl upon return to korea. then there are the quick one off GSL champs like seed, sniper, roro, jjakji i can keep going. again, the game is too volatile, and yesterday's faceless guy is tomorrow's fan favorite. whoever wins this will be a favorite a while, but then will most likely drop off There are few sports in general that have that kind of a dominating player/team, because the level of competition is so high. And imagine a tournament without any upsets. Wouldn't this be boring as hell?
Having a consistent winner or at least finalist isn't the same thing as having no upsets whatsoever at any point in a 32 man tournament. And honestly, it wasn't that boring in Brood War, in fact it was hella hype when players remained strong for enough time to be able to win multiple OSLs/MSLs.
I think fishjie is exaggerating a bit, but at the same time he does kinda have point. The crown at the very top seems to be shifting really quickly, almost on a monthly basis even, and to me personally, as a viewer and general follower of SC2 professional competition, that is a lot less interesting than having someone crush face for a longer period of time, like Mvp, MMA, DongRaeGu, Life, TaeJa managed to do in 2011 and 2012.
Also, regarding the convo above, I agree that it's pretty idiotic to think soO is just some random nobody who's never gonna do well ever again.
+ Show Spoiler +But then again... SKT Zerg hue hue hue 
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One of Zest and soO will disappear for months after the finals though. (pretty safe prediction)
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On March 29 2014 18:29 Grumbels wrote:
One of Zest and soO will disappear for months after the finals though. (pretty safe prediction)
disappear as in he (soO) will make another GSL final?
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WTH;. It's ZvZ. I thought it was going to be ZVP this whole week, lol.
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On March 29 2014 03:42 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 03:30 fishjie wrote:
Today's faceless korean becomes tomorrow's fan favorite. The problem is sc2 is so volatile. Since the game is so coin flippy in mirror matchups and all-ins are so strong, no one can dominate for longer than a month or two, tops. THAT is the main problem with sc2. The faceless koreans are boring, because their interview responses are so generic, but i recall Soo's interview when he faced dear in the finals were quite funny. Yeah, Soulkey was just a scrub throughout all of lasts year and not dominating at all. Taeja and Polt each winning 5tournaments just comes from volatility of the game. And soO making two consecutive GSL finals is a great reason to whine about inconsistency of topplayers..
Oh, man, plz stop mentioning foreign tournaments, they are less convincing than code A championship if it exists.
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