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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 03 2014 21:42 GMT
#1001
http://www.youtube.com/user/ESportsTV/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1

they're pretty easy to find









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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
March 03 2014 22:01 GMT
#1002
Really happy with the results, jumped up more than 1100 spots, captain herO finally scored , Effort seems to be the weak spot in my team though.

But I am too lazy to watch all the vods, so did bio/mine vs protoss happen?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 03 2014 22:06 GMT
#1003
nah not really
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
March 03 2014 22:10 GMT
#1004
On March 04 2014 07:01 Musicus wrote:
Really happy with the results, jumped up more than 1100 spots, captain herO finally scored , Effort seems to be the weak spot in my team though.

But I am too lazy to watch all the vods, so did bio/mine vs protoss happen?


The Terrans seemed more eager to go for mines, but I wouldn't say bio/mine play a la mid-2013 TvZ is what happened.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
March 03 2014 22:27 GMT
#1005
Ok thanks, let's see what happens in the next few weeks.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 03 2014 22:41 GMT
#1006
Jumped to 15th because of this game (hero, bbyong, and flash). If not for soulkey's uncharacterisic failure at ace...

Happy for my flash investment. He truly never fails to deliver.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
March 03 2014 23:30 GMT
#1007
HEROOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! CJ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man I had a good feeling about this game for some reason, and I'm so happy right now for herO who played brilliantly today and Bbyong who looked strong as well, GuMiho looked decent but wasn't enough against Flash. hopefully this is the confidence booster they need to go on a run this round. Woohoo! And the Tyrants on top go down! Booyaa! (oh and herO is awesome incase you didn't know that already! Hilarious that Wolf said he was the underdog pahaha what a joke)
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
March 04 2014 02:11 GMT
#1008
when flash does the finger wagging it's so much cooler then anyone elses lol
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 04 2014 02:43 GMT
#1009
On March 04 2014 05:57 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 05:32 ArTiFaKs wrote:
So watching that Effort vs Stats game, why do Zergs refuse to make mutas vs Tempests? Tempests AI is really bad so when there are 12 tempest they all shoot at 1 muta, and muta just attack too fast for them to do enough damage. Effort had enough gas at one point to make 50 muta be he kept wasting away that gas in Infestors and Corruptors that couldn't even get in range to do anything. I just feel like 50 Muta would destroy 15 tempest, like easily. 3/3 mutas are just insanely strong and it is really frustrating watching them just make Corruptors over and over again even though they are doing absolutely nothing.

I think it's because Stats always trades for less than 20 supply, so it's always less than 10 mutalisks you can remake. If he traded 100 supply and Effort could turn his entire bank into mutalisks instantly, then it would be pretty powerful.

I guess there was a moment that Effort made 30 corruptors, so maybe he could have switched to mutas there?


I think the only chance Effort had to win that was to trade was when Stats didn't have enough bank to remax while Effort did. He had to engage and try to take down as many units as possible and remax on mutas and hope Stats didn't have bank to get enough phoenix, stalkers out.
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
March 04 2014 15:57 GMT
#1010
On March 04 2014 11:43 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 05:57 Grumbels wrote:
On March 04 2014 05:32 ArTiFaKs wrote:
So watching that Effort vs Stats game, why do Zergs refuse to make mutas vs Tempests? Tempests AI is really bad so when there are 12 tempest they all shoot at 1 muta, and muta just attack too fast for them to do enough damage. Effort had enough gas at one point to make 50 muta be he kept wasting away that gas in Infestors and Corruptors that couldn't even get in range to do anything. I just feel like 50 Muta would destroy 15 tempest, like easily. 3/3 mutas are just insanely strong and it is really frustrating watching them just make Corruptors over and over again even though they are doing absolutely nothing.

I think it's because Stats always trades for less than 20 supply, so it's always less than 10 mutalisks you can remake. If he traded 100 supply and Effort could turn his entire bank into mutalisks instantly, then it would be pretty powerful.

I guess there was a moment that Effort made 30 corruptors, so maybe he could have switched to mutas there?


I think the only chance Effort had to win that was to trade was when Stats didn't have enough bank to remax while Effort did. He had to engage and try to take down as many units as possible and remax on mutas and hope Stats didn't have bank to get enough phoenix, stalkers out.


Ya but there was a moment when Effort had a massive bank in gas and minerals, and Stats had nowhere near the bank of Effort and was always slowly trading out units for more tempest. That many Mutas would easily destroy 12-15 Tempest especially with the upgrades. And at that point Stats mining bases were really nearby to where the engagements were happening, and Stats Stargates were all the way in his main. So even if he did get out Stalkers/Phoenix Effort could do massive damage to his economy before that happened. It also puts the control of the match in Effort's favor, because if Stats switches to Stalker/Phoenix Effort can mix in more Corruptors to help muta, as well as whatever other unit he felt like could counter that composition to finish the game. I just think Zerg's try and turtle too long while Protoss builds the ultimate counter composition, whats the point of banking all those resources/larvae if you just remake the same composition that got destroyed for the last 30 minutes? Just doesn't make sense to me.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18726 Posts
March 04 2014 16:24 GMT
#1011
On March 05 2014 00:57 ArTiFaKs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2014 11:43 vthree wrote:
On March 04 2014 05:57 Grumbels wrote:
On March 04 2014 05:32 ArTiFaKs wrote:
So watching that Effort vs Stats game, why do Zergs refuse to make mutas vs Tempests? Tempests AI is really bad so when there are 12 tempest they all shoot at 1 muta, and muta just attack too fast for them to do enough damage. Effort had enough gas at one point to make 50 muta be he kept wasting away that gas in Infestors and Corruptors that couldn't even get in range to do anything. I just feel like 50 Muta would destroy 15 tempest, like easily. 3/3 mutas are just insanely strong and it is really frustrating watching them just make Corruptors over and over again even though they are doing absolutely nothing.

I think it's because Stats always trades for less than 20 supply, so it's always less than 10 mutalisks you can remake. If he traded 100 supply and Effort could turn his entire bank into mutalisks instantly, then it would be pretty powerful.

I guess there was a moment that Effort made 30 corruptors, so maybe he could have switched to mutas there?


I think the only chance Effort had to win that was to trade was when Stats didn't have enough bank to remax while Effort did. He had to engage and try to take down as many units as possible and remax on mutas and hope Stats didn't have bank to get enough phoenix, stalkers out.


Ya but there was a moment when Effort had a massive bank in gas and minerals, and Stats had nowhere near the bank of Effort and was always slowly trading out units for more tempest. That many Mutas would easily destroy 12-15 Tempest especially with the upgrades. And at that point Stats mining bases were really nearby to where the engagements were happening, and Stats Stargates were all the way in his main. So even if he did get out Stalkers/Phoenix Effort could do massive damage to his economy before that happened. It also puts the control of the match in Effort's favor, because if Stats switches to Stalker/Phoenix Effort can mix in more Corruptors to help muta, as well as whatever other unit he felt like could counter that composition to finish the game. I just think Zerg's try and turtle too long while Protoss builds the ultimate counter composition, whats the point of banking all those resources/larvae if you just remake the same composition that got destroyed for the last 30 minutes? Just doesn't make sense to me.


Yep effort played the game very badly. I didnt understand either why he didnt abuse the fact that he took the bases earlier than stats. Because once the map was split in half it was obvious that stats was gonna win because with same resources zerg will always lose

effort was just too scared
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
March 04 2014 17:17 GMT
#1012
Funny how Bbyong herO and Zest are on my FPL. I wonder just how much this match affected my team
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