• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:33
CEST 20:33
KST 03:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway22v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature2Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments7[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread 2v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature Is there a way to see if 2 accounts=1 person? uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? [ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway ASL 20 HYPE VIDEO! BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Soma Explains: JaeDong's Double Muta Micro
Tourneys
BWCL Season 63 Announcement Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1630 users

[SPL] Prime vs. IM R2 - Page 31

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 Next All
Pangpootata
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
1838 Posts
March 02 2014 11:18 GMT
#601
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.

One fungal and they are all dead though. It's true that if you have impeccable micro you can kite corruptors or mutas forever, but you can never get too close to an infestor,
oo_Wonderful_oo
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
The land of freedom23126 Posts
March 02 2014 11:18 GMT
#602
On March 02 2014 20:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.


Speedlings don't agree with you.

chargelots


Zerg units, dude D:
If chargelots were part of Zerg, even Terror could dominate in SPL.
LiquidLegends StaffFPL 25 #1 | tfw I cast games on-air | back-to-back Liquibet winner
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
March 02 2014 11:19 GMT
#603
ROFL!

Hiari: ByuL threw his WCS matches so that he could stay here and participate in Proleague. Thank you ByuL!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
March 02 2014 11:19 GMT
#604
On March 02 2014 20:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.


Speedlings don't agree with you.


Edit:

Zerg air units.
Have a nice day!
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
March 02 2014 11:19 GMT
#605
On March 02 2014 20:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.


Speedlings don't agree with you.

chargelots


Speedlings on creep are faster then chargelots charging.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
March 02 2014 11:19 GMT
#606
On March 02 2014 20:19 Seeker wrote:
ROFL!

Hiari: ByuL threw his WCS matches so that he could stay here and participate in Proleague. Thank you ByuL!


lol

seems legit. Thx for the translation
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
March 02 2014 11:20 GMT
#607
On March 02 2014 20:18 Pangpootata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.

One fungal and they are all dead though. It's true that if you have impeccable micro you can kite corruptors or mutas forever, but you can never get too close to an infestor,


aww, common… "impeccable" micro? even I can kite with units which are shooting while moving
Have a nice day!
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
March 02 2014 11:21 GMT
#608
On March 02 2014 20:19 Seeker wrote:
ROFL!

Hiari: ByuL threw his WCS matches so that he could stay here and participate in Proleague. Thank you ByuL!

Haha. :D
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 02 2014 11:22 GMT
#609
On March 02 2014 20:17 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:17 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.


Speedlings don't agree with you.

chargelots


Chargelots are faster than lings ?
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
March 02 2014 11:23 GMT
#610
Are we really arguing about OPness of phenix ? I thought it was a joke
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 11:25:53
March 02 2014 11:23 GMT
#611
On March 02 2014 20:20 TrumpetWilli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:18 Pangpootata wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.

One fungal and they are all dead though. It's true that if you have impeccable micro you can kite corruptors or mutas forever, but you can never get too close to an infestor,


aww, common… "impeccable" micro? even I can kite with units which are shooting while moving

yes, impeccable. You can't just move command them, they will outrun the corruptors and not shoot at all, then the muta clump is free to kill the gound army or the base. You have to dart in and out to start shooting again, which allows the corruptos to shoot again if not done perfectly, and will also clump up your phoenixes, which is bad against fungal. Phoenixes are very hard to use, if you don't believe this, try it yourself on ladder.
Get off my lawn, young punks
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 11:26:34
March 02 2014 11:25 GMT
#612
On March 02 2014 20:23 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2014 20:20 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:18 Pangpootata wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:16 TrumpetWilli wrote:
On March 02 2014 20:10 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:
THAT WAS FATAL FOR SURE

On March 02 2014 20:09 TrumpetWilli wrote:
What I don't understand from the Balance- / Designteam:

end of WoL:

Protoss complains: Mass Muta too strong

-> make Mutas faster & insane health regeneration

Oh Shit Protoss needs something against Mutalisks

-> Range upgrade for Phenix

___________________________

Now Mass Phoenix is just cost efficient as f*ck as long as you don't blindly fly clumped up into a fungal.

I really feel like the Phoenix is the most cost efficient unit in the game, maybe besides a really good Widow-Mine hit
- I don't like it.

Even Hydras get crushed by Phoenix when they are in even numbers… …i mean WTF?


It's like Phoenixes are free and not 150/100 each.


Okay, I forgot about swarmhosts…

nonetheless:

I don't like how Phoenix are faster than every other Zerg unit, while having more range as well.

One fungal and they are all dead though. It's true that if you have impeccable micro you can kite corruptors or mutas forever, but you can never get too close to an infestor,


aww, common… "impeccable" micro? even I can kite with units which are shooting while moving

yes, impeccable. You can't just move command them, they will outrun the corruptors and not shoot at all, then the muta clump is free to kill the gound army or the base. You have to dodge in and out to start shooting again, which allows the corruptos to shoot again if not done perfectly, and will also clump up your phoenixes, which is bad against fungal. Phoenixes are very hard to use, if you don't believe this, try it yourself on ladder.


It's kind of true. I'm not that afraid to go muta vs phenix on ladder cause you just turn out and kill everything because the guy is as bad as me and doesn't micro them back fast enough. But i wouldn't call that impeccable micro. As Zerg i cannot say good thing about protoss. It's part of what i signed when i clicked Z.
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
March 02 2014 11:26 GMT
#613
alright maybe I am just plain bad and don't know anything about the game
Have a nice day!
Daimai
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden762 Posts
March 02 2014 12:08 GMT
#614
That is so many sentries, wow.
To pray is to accept defeat.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-02 12:09:48
March 02 2014 12:09 GMT
#615
Well, predictable result. Too bad for KassiA.
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
March 02 2014 12:37 GMT
#616
traded cj for prime, creator is on my anti

fuck me
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 02 2014 12:38 GMT
#617
prime has two hard matchups this week and creator could go 4-0 (but understandably it was hard to trade creator off since only soulkey and zest were ahead in points)
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33399 Posts
March 02 2014 13:28 GMT
#618
I think it's worth saying again the Creator is really handsome now
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 02 2014 13:28 GMT
#619
how many times are you gonna say that zzz

#3 PL wins lol
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33399 Posts
March 02 2014 13:32 GMT
#620
On March 02 2014 22:28 opterown wrote:
how many times are you gonna say that zzz

#3 PL wins lol


as many times as it takes
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
15:00
Playoffs Day 2
uThermal1449
SteadfastSC308
IndyStarCraft 291
Rex66
YoungYakov34
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
uThermal 1449
SteadfastSC 308
IndyStarCraft 291
ProTech96
MindelVK 67
Rex 66
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35591
Calm 3167
Rain 1975
ggaemo 219
actioN 152
ToSsGirL 61
NaDa 25
SilentControl 4
Dota 2
Gorgc7367
qojqva4183
League of Legends
Reynor40
Counter-Strike
fl0m2455
ScreaM1920
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby1584
Liquid`Hasu738
Khaldor426
Other Games
FrodaN1936
B2W.Neo815
crisheroes630
Beastyqt367
RotterdaM336
KnowMe146
ViBE145
Hui .110
PiGStarcraft104
ArmadaUGS104
ZombieGrub69
JuggernautJason17
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1281
StarCraft 2
angryscii 15
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 59
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3003
• masondota2281
• WagamamaTV178
Counter-Strike
• imaqtpie1043
• Shiphtur238
Upcoming Events
BSL Team Wars
27m
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
15h 27m
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
20h 27m
RotterdaM Event
21h 27m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 15h
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 16h
PiGosaur Monday
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Summer Champion…
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LiuLi Cup
4 days
BSL Team Wars
5 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
SC Evo League
5 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.