EPT[Code S] Ro32 Group G Season 1 2014 - Page 44
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On February 26 2014 22:03 bourne117 wrote: After being on liquid these are his GSL results ro8 ro8 ro4 ro32 ro4 (last terran ever) ro16 (last season). He was stupidly consistent aside from one bad day. He's clearly a foreigner can-crusher! Anyway between the weird 'banter' attempt from that TruE guy, and this Taeja/MMA discussion - im tired. Good games Yay Life n Dear (though i think i stupidly choose Yonghwa out of Team Bias, knowing Dear would get out) | ||
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bourne117
United States837 Posts
On February 26 2014 22:04 AWalker9 wrote: Yeah and notice how he got smashed in both of those RO4's  One of them was against Life where until DH he has always struggled against and the other was when it was basically a miracle a terran had even made the ro4. By making the ro4 at all it kind of disproves your whole he can't do well in a preparation style tournament. He is better in the weekend ones (he honestly is probably the best player in the world at those) but he is still incredibly talented and could win a GSL for sure. | ||
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kawin159
Thailand60 Posts
On February 26 2014 22:05 opterown wrote: i look forward to the SpoTV starleague where all the best players from all WCS return to compete! I look forward to this too . Any source confirm or some information involving? | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On February 26 2014 21:58 liberate71 wrote: The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013. You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No. The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On February 26 2014 21:59 bourne117 wrote: This is true and I think the argument Tajea has over MMA is consistency not quality of wins. Dreamhack winter was amazing and probably the hardest non WCS event that year but Code S is still code S. Taeja however has dominated two separate time spans which is something no other player has done. Plus the amount of premier tournament wins is pretty insane. This past spree by Taeja is surpassed by only MVP IIRC. Combine that with him actually being very succesful in Korea. (2 ro4s including last terran in WoL, barely was knocked out his last season in ro16 two more ro8s) he was incredibly consistent once he switched to Liquid and made a name for himself. Then the question is, how highly consistency is valued. I personally can´t put him above MMA based on consistency, when he still misses the GSL title. That being said, please note, that we are not talking about Taeja vs GSL here, we are talking about Taeja vs MMA. MMA has proven multiple times as well over the years, that he is far from being a one-hit wonder. I´m happily putting Taeja above a lot of GSL champs, but MMA is just another caliber than most of them. Edit: Sorry for double post, did´nt check for it. | ||
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Neemi
Netherlands656 Posts
On February 26 2014 22:07 bourne117 wrote: One of them was against Life where until DH he has always struggled against and the other was when it was basically a miracle a terran had even made the ro4. By making the ro4 at all it kind of disproves your whole he can't do well in a preparation style tournament. He is better in the weekend ones (he honestly is probably the best player in the world at those) but he is still incredibly talented and could win a GSL for sure. Actually it kind of doesn't. Great preparation players overcome said disadvantages, Taeja never really has. He usually does well in Ro32 and Ro16 because they're more weekend-style than preparation style, and he has undeniably great raw skill that pulled him through the Ro8 both times. Back in GSL Season 4, Life completely smashed Taeja 3-0 while only barely beating Mvp 4-3, while Taeja was completely demolishing weekend tournaments and Mvp was trying to spare wrists (though he did win an IEM against foreign Zergs). I know Mvp is probably the greatest preparation player, but that goes to show what kind of difference it could potentially make. Taeja definitely has the raw skill to do great in GSL when he's on point, but if he encounters someone who knows how to prepare and isn't too nervous I feel he would still have a very difficult time regardless. | ||
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Niteblade_
Canada292 Posts
On February 26 2014 22:10 Xoronius wrote: You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No. The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No. This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg). When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo) Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_- Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now. | ||
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
On February 26 2014 22:36 Niteblade_ wrote: This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg). When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo) Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_- Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now. With regards to the preparation thing, he was the most consistent Terran of 2012 when it came to the GSL, and last year he wasn't in Korea for WCS (mostly) - so we can speculate on how he would have gone (from both sides, good or bad) - but we wont know. What he did do, was prove, against world class competition, that he can beat anyone. Also, I personally wouldn't call Life a 'strategist', but hes won two GSL's - and I'd base that on his brute force skill and ability, with whom I draw similarities to Taeja. One part that surprised me though, was the bolded bit above Taeja has been the best in the world on more than one occasion, and as recent as December last year he was the best in all 3 matchups, and has also been elite in all three categories (TvZ, TvT and TvP) at different stages in his career - especially TvP and TvZ, he was a fucking maniac last year. Also; He was in the best game of 2013, which was against Innovation, who was apparently the best player in the world, and Taeja won that game. P.S - as I said at the start of this, I love MMA, he's one of my favourite Terrans, I'm not bagging him at all. I think people tend to easily dismiss Taeja simply because of the lack of GSL title. Yet you have other players (Seed, Jjakji, Sniper) who have won GSL's, obviously had a moment of dominance and have since disappeared and making a counter argument to the rule (exception made for Jjakji maybe as he resurfaced recently quite strong). It's definitely "THE" tournament to win in Starcraft 2, but point being that when Taeja is at his peak, he peaks hard, and it just comes across as a bit tunnel vision to not hold him in high regard because of a singular trophy. I think Taeja has proven time and time again that he is an exception to the tunnel vision rule of "if you havent won a GSL, you cant be the best" - it's not his fault Soulkey wasn't at Dreamhack winter  I do like this back and forth though! but fuck I'm tired - so peace, see you all on Friday for Zealously's favourite group of the Ro32. | ||
Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
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opterown
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Jer99
Canada8159 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
it's like you forgot bitbybit ever existed *wall of text involving statistics* | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
But Life! | ||
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Muffloe
Sweden6061 Posts
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shockaslim
United States1105 Posts
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Talionis
Scotland4085 Posts
That second game vs Yonghwa rofl | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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Lorning
Belgica34432 Posts
On February 27 2014 00:50 ReMinD_ wrote: Are there any VODs of Life's games? I only found first game of each match. Here: http://www.twitch.tv/gsl/profile But you need a subscription | ||
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