★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
54%
★★★- Good game (3)
23%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
53%
★★★- Good game (5)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
25%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
33%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★- Good game (5)
42%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
17%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (5)
11%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
★★★- Good game (4)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (29)
64%
45 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
6%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★- Good game (11)
69%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (8)
80%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (1)
7%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (8)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
36%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
30%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (4)
40%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★- Good game (4)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
57%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
67%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
17%
★★★- Good game (6)
50%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (3)
25%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (0)
0%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
13%
★★★- Good game (2)
8%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (15)
63%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
17%
24 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
27%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
55%
★★★- Good game (2)
18%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
11 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
- Life is at ~ 23.41 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 50.15 % of the time Life wins and their chances go up to ~ 46.69 %. ~ 49.85 % of the time Life loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - YongHwa is at ~ 10.76 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 56.17 % of the time YongHwa wins and their chances go up to ~ 19.16 %. ~ 43.83 % of the time YongHwa loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Dark is at ~ 2.13 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 28.11 % of the time Dark wins and their chances go up to ~ 7.59 %. ~ 71.89 % of the time Dark loses and their chances go down to ~ 0.00 %. ------------------------------------------------- - Dear is at ~ 83.40 % chances for top 16 points of Season 1 ~ 65.57 % of the time Dear wins and their chances go up to ~ 98.82 %. ~ 34.43 % of the time Dear loses and their chances go down to ~ 54.04 %.
Nice, Aligulac puts the two Protosses through :D, due to them having apparently favorable vZ to Life's apparently unfavorable vP. Ali was off in its WCS EU and AM predictions, albeit pretty close...so this time I'll guess Yonghwa in second and Life barely in first!
I think Yonghwa goes through easily. For second place, Dear and Life have both shown trouble lately so I'm not sure. Maybe Dark can pull through, maybe one of the two worked on fixing what needed to be fixed.
On February 26 2014 17:34 Nebuchad wrote: I think Yonghwa goes through easily. For second place, Dear and Life have both shown trouble lately so I'm not sure. Maybe Dark can pull through, maybe one of the two worked on fixing what needed to be fixed.
For Life that wouldn't be that big of a problem. Basically he should just use Swarmhosts, I mean... He was pretty good at it when he used them, but decided to play other stuff lately :-/
On February 26 2014 18:04 Big J wrote: Hype!!! Keep your fingers crossed for 2more Protoss for the Ro16 (because it's GSL and a Zerg is going to win anyways...)
Negative, Maru to win it with mass Mines and a sprinkling of Marines!
Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
On February 26 2014 18:04 Big J wrote: Hype!!! Keep your fingers crossed for 2more Protoss for the Ro16 (because it's GSL and a Zerg is going to win anyways...)
Negative, Maru to win it with mass Mines and a sprinkling of Marines!
Can only happen if he doesn't hit a Zerg. Maru is going to lose against any Zerg that has the skill to make it through the Ro32.
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
Oh austrailian internet, it sounds just like canadian internet.
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
Oh austrailian internet, it sounds just like canadian internet.
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
Oh austrailian internet, it sounds just like canadian internet.
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
Oh austrailian internet, it sounds just like canadian internet.
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
I don't have problem with lag normally, I'm in the US. Medium looks like crap.
00:00 - Dear Spawns Top Right, Dark Spawns Top left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear Dark going hatch first
02:00 - Hatch goes down for Dark 1 gas taken from Dear OL reaches the front and sees a gateway opening gas started immediately for Dark Cyber core begins
03:00 - Pool started for Dark Zealot on the way Dear sends out a probe Warp gate research begins MSC core Nexus starts at the gold base for dear
04:00 - Ling speed started for dear along with 2 queens A roach warren is put down by dark additional gateways being made by dear
00:00 - Dear Spawns Top Right, Dark Spawns Top left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear Dark going hatch first
02:00 - Hatch goes down for Dark 1 gas taken from Dear OL reaches the front and sees a gateway opening gas started immediately for Dark Cyber core begins
03:00 - Pool started for Dark Zealot on the way Dear sends out a probe Warp gate research begins MSC core Nexus starts at the gold base for dear
04:00 - Ling speed started for dear along with 2 queens A roach warren is put down by dark additional gateways being made by dear
06:00 - Dark moves across with his roach ling oracle on the way
07:00 - Dark heads to the main! and starts killing the front oracle gets to the base and starts melting drones Cyber core falls! Void ray on the way
08:00 - lots of workers killed by dear Lings get through the wall at the main!!! workers falling Lings to the gold aswell!!!!!!!! Nexus cannon forces the lings away though
09:00 - Dark gets some kills but really not enough Dear quite far ahead now
10:00 - Dear is rewalled, 3 void rays out and a 4th on the way more gates being added on
On February 26 2014 18:23 Heartland wrote: There's gotta be a hard-counter build to the gold base rush.
Not against protoss. It's stupidly easy to hold. It's honestly only very slightly riskier to take your normal natural
There's enough weakness in the build that if you -know- your opponent is going to go for it that there should be some build that will counter it. Maybe proxy hatch the gold? ; )
00:00 - Dear Spawns Top Right, Dark Spawns Top left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear Dark going hatch first
02:00 - Hatch goes down for Dark 1 gas taken from Dear OL reaches the front and sees a gateway opening gas started immediately for Dark Cyber core begins
03:00 - Pool started for Dark Zealot on the way Dear sends out a probe Warp gate research begins MSC core Nexus starts at the gold base for dear
04:00 - Ling speed started for dear along with 2 queens A roach warren is put down by dark additional gateways being made by dear
06:00 - Dark moves across with his roach ling oracle on the way
07:00 - Dark heads to the main! and starts killing the front oracle gets to the base and starts melting drones Cyber core falls! Void ray on the way
08:00 - lots of workers killed by dear Lings get through the wall at the main!!! workers falling Lings to the gold aswell!!!!!!!! Nexus cannon forces the lings away though
09:00 - Dark gets some kills but really not enough Dear quite far ahead now
10:00 - Dear is rewalled, 3 void rays out and a 4th on the way more gates being added on
11:00 - A 2nd roach warren is added on by dark, maybe losing it a bit evo chamber and lair on the way, 3rd hatch twilight council, more gates and 3rd nexus added for dear he moves out now
12:00 - Dear with a sentry zealot void ray army Here comes DEAR!!!! only 4 queens out dark he has nowhere near enough dark calls GG Dear 1 - 0
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
54%
★★★- Good game (3)
23%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 18:23 Heartland wrote: There's gotta be a hard-counter build to the gold base rush.
Not against protoss. It's stupidly easy to hold. It's honestly only very slightly riskier to take your normal natural
There's enough weakness in the build that if you -know- your opponent is going to go for it that there should be some build that will counter it. Maybe proxy hatch the gold? ; )
But what if he takes your gold from there? then you're in trouble!
On February 26 2014 18:11 sitromit wrote: Is anyone else having trouble with twitch logging them out? I log in so I can watch the stream in HQ, but the moment I click on the stream it logs me back out and I can't select anything higher than medium quality.
I get it but ive never bothered to change it. My stream was always stuttering on anything other than medium, so i leave it on that - i dont have an issue with that quality
Oh austrailian internet, it sounds just like canadian internet.
I've got 100Mbit download internet, and twitch is still an ass of a website to stream from
Everything else is flawless - but theres rarely a time that im on anything else
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
54%
★★★- Good game (3)
23%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
8%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
8%
13 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 18:23 Heartland wrote: There's gotta be a hard-counter build to the gold base rush.
Not against protoss. It's stupidly easy to hold. It's honestly only very slightly riskier to take your normal natural
There's enough weakness in the build that if you -know- your opponent is going to go for it that there should be some build that will counter it. Maybe proxy hatch the gold? ; )
But what if he takes your gold from there? then you're in trouble!
On February 26 2014 18:29 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Missed the first game because my PC was trolling me. First sound card disappeared, got that fixed, then mouse/keyboard stopped working...
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Right, Dark Spawns Top Left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear
02:00 - Gas for dear Hatch first from Dark Pool and gas Cyber core from Dear
03:00 - Nexus thrown down by Dear MSC on the way double queen
04:00 - Ling speed begins Warp gate research starts Lings stop the probe scout very nicely Roach warren from Dark 2 gates at the natural from Dear
05:00 - Stargate opening from Dear He tries to scout again 7 roaches made from Dark Probe gets into the main!!!!!!!!!! IT DOESNT SEE THE RW!!
06:00 - Phoenix starts from Dear Roaches move across the map 30 lings reinforcing from Dark THE ROACHES GET TO THE RAMP force fields... PYLOIN GOES DOWN LINGS GET IN!!!!!!
07:00 - Over charge.... Void ray gets out dark gets into the main more reinforcements lots of workers falling down
08:00 - 2nd void ray is out now... lots of workers have died another PO
09:00 - Some OL being picked off by Phoenix ling harass still taking place gets a sentry 36 drones to 15 probes
10:00 - 3rd hatchery for dark Lair and evo chamber started +1 range begins
cool mind games from Dark. i love players who go for the same thing twice, it usually throws the other player off, and puts him in a good position for the next game. Dear has to play safer, because that may be the only build Dark prepared. so Dark just plays greedy and gains an early lead.
As a terran I dont really care about this group enough to watch but I hope Dark gets trough. I remember him looking like he had some nice potential back on SlayerS.
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Right, Dark Spawns Top Left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear
02:00 - Gas for dear Hatch first from Dark Pool and gas Cyber core from Dear
03:00 - Nexus thrown down by Dear MSC on the way double queen
04:00 - Ling speed begins Warp gate research starts Lings stop the probe scout very nicely Roach warren from Dark 2 gates at the natural from Dear
05:00 - Stargate opening from Dear He tries to scout again 7 roaches made from Dark Probe gets into the main!!!!!!!!!! IT DOESNT SEE THE RW!!
06:00 - Phoenix starts from Dear Roaches move across the map 30 lings reinforcing from Dark THE ROACHES GET TO THE RAMP force fields... PYLOIN GOES DOWN LINGS GET IN!!!!!!
07:00 - Over charge.... Void ray gets out dark gets into the main more reinforcements lots of workers falling down
08:00 - 2nd void ray is out now... lots of workers have died another PO
09:00 - Some OL being picked off by Phoenix ling harass still taking place gets a sentry 36 drones to 15 probes
10:00 - 3rd hatchery for dark Lair and evo chamber started +1 range begins
11:00 - Voids head up to the 3rd base queens move down to defend burrow started ...good stargate harass here from dear
12:00 - queen picked up and a queen goes down 2 queens have gone down robo begins another queen falls excellent harass from dear
13:00 - spore up at the third and the harass should end but 5 queens have been lost!! roach speed and hydra den begins Immortal production started Robo bay and a forge begins +2 range starts for dark Hydra range
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Right, Dark Spawns Top Left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear
02:00 - Gas for dear Hatch first from Dark Pool and gas Cyber core from Dear
03:00 - Nexus thrown down by Dear MSC on the way double queen
04:00 - Ling speed begins Warp gate research starts Lings stop the probe scout very nicely Roach warren from Dark 2 gates at the natural from Dear
05:00 - Stargate opening from Dear He tries to scout again 7 roaches made from Dark Probe gets into the main!!!!!!!!!! IT DOESNT SEE THE RW!!
06:00 - Phoenix starts from Dear Roaches move across the map 30 lings reinforcing from Dark THE ROACHES GET TO THE RAMP force fields... PYLOIN GOES DOWN LINGS GET IN!!!!!!
07:00 - Over charge.... Void ray gets out dark gets into the main more reinforcements lots of workers falling down
08:00 - 2nd void ray is out now... lots of workers have died another PO
09:00 - Some OL being picked off by Phoenix ling harass still taking place gets a sentry 36 drones to 15 probes
10:00 - 3rd hatchery for dark Lair and evo chamber started +1 range begins
11:00 - Voids head up to the 3rd base queens move down to defend burrow started ...good stargate harass here from dear
12:00 - queen picked up and a queen goes down 2 queens have gone down robo begins another queen falls excellent harass from dear
13:00 - spore up at the third and the harass should end but 5 queens have been lost!! roach speed and hydra den begins Immortal production started Robo bay and a forge begins +2 range starts for dark Hydra range
14:00 - burrowed ling stops dear expanding +1 attack begins and collosus production with range hydras being made for dear more gates being added on
15:00 - 3rd nexus started now Overseer scout Dark is moving out with his roach hydra army
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
53%
★★★- Good game (5)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Right, Dark Spawns Top Left
01:00 - Gateway opening for Dear
02:00 - Gas for dear Hatch first from Dark Pool and gas Cyber core from Dear
03:00 - Nexus thrown down by Dear MSC on the way double queen
04:00 - Ling speed begins Warp gate research starts Lings stop the probe scout very nicely Roach warren from Dark 2 gates at the natural from Dear
05:00 - Stargate opening from Dear He tries to scout again 7 roaches made from Dark Probe gets into the main!!!!!!!!!! IT DOESNT SEE THE RW!!
06:00 - Phoenix starts from Dear Roaches move across the map 30 lings reinforcing from Dark THE ROACHES GET TO THE RAMP force fields... PYLOIN GOES DOWN LINGS GET IN!!!!!!
07:00 - Over charge.... Void ray gets out dark gets into the main more reinforcements lots of workers falling down
08:00 - 2nd void ray is out now... lots of workers have died another PO
09:00 - Some OL being picked off by Phoenix ling harass still taking place gets a sentry 36 drones to 15 probes
10:00 - 3rd hatchery for dark Lair and evo chamber started +1 range begins
11:00 - Voids head up to the 3rd base queens move down to defend burrow started ...good stargate harass here from dear
12:00 - queen picked up and a queen goes down 2 queens have gone down robo begins another queen falls excellent harass from dear
13:00 - spore up at the third and the harass should end but 5 queens have been lost!! roach speed and hydra den begins Immortal production started Robo bay and a forge begins +2 range starts for dark Hydra range
14:00 - burrowed ling stops dear expanding +1 attack begins and collosus production with range hydras being made for dear more gates being added on
15:00 - 3rd nexus started now Overseer scout Dark is moving out with his roach hydra army
16:00 - Dark moves into the third he has an excellent concave one collosus finally falls the second one dies too dear has nothing left GG
On February 26 2014 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay thank god. I wouldn't be able to handle that comeback. Also, does this thread seem deader than usual?
On February 26 2014 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay thank god. I wouldn't be able to handle that comeback. Also, does this thread seem deader than usual?
No terran group and Life plays second. I'm sure it'll pick up a bit, it's still early
On February 26 2014 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay thank god. I wouldn't be able to handle that comeback. Also, does this thread seem deader than usual?
On February 26 2014 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay thank god. I wouldn't be able to handle that comeback. Also, does this thread seem deader than usual?
no terran in this group.
Terran player representing.
Maximum passion.
high five bruh, terran here to watch these two infinitely inferior races duke it out.
On February 26 2014 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay thank god. I wouldn't be able to handle that comeback. Also, does this thread seem deader than usual?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (8)
53%
★★★- Good game (5)
33%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
7%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
7%
15 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 18:40 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: Okay thank god. I wouldn't be able to handle that comeback. Also, does this thread seem deader than usual?
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Left, Dark Spawns Bottom Right
01:00 - Nothing happening so far
02:00 - Hatchery first from Dark Nexus first from Dear Gateway from Dear
03:00 - 3rd Hatch before pool from Dark Fuck yeh 2 gas from Dear Pool from Dark Cyber core
04:00 - Zealot on the way 2 queens Stargate on the way from Dear Warp gate research, Stalker
05:00 - 3 queens finishing up Oracle begins
06:00 - 2nd oracle begins 1st oracle flies towards Dear 3rd nexus and MSC begins forge started 4 worker kills
07:00 - 1 oracle dies 2nd one flies in now more gates being added on +1 attack started Lair
08:00 - Twilight council starts for Dear More gates Roach warren and double evo begins 1 melee/1armour started Blink begins
09:00 - Ling speed and roach speed Spire and infestation pit Dear moves out now with a few sentries and stalkers Dark sees it coming he spots the pylon aswell
10:00 - +2 attack begins for Dear probe is saved and a 2nd pylon is put down Dear moves in for the attack lots of force fields but the lings get in Dark crushes the attack!!!
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Left, Dark Spawns Bottom Right
01:00 - Nothing happening so far
02:00 - Hatchery first from Dark Nexus first from Dear Gateway from Dear
03:00 - 3rd Hatch before pool from Dark Fuck yeh 2 gas from Dear Pool from Dark Cyber core
04:00 - Zealot on the way 2 queens Stargate on the way from Dear Warp gate research, Stalker
05:00 - 3 queens finishing up Oracle begins
06:00 - 2nd oracle begins 1st oracle flies towards Dear 3rd nexus and MSC begins forge started 4 worker kills
07:00 - 1 oracle dies 2nd one flies in now more gates being added on +1 attack started Lair
08:00 - Twilight council starts for Dear More gates Roach warren and double evo begins 1 melee/1armour started Blink begins
09:00 - Ling speed and roach speed Spire and infestation pit Dear moves out now with a few sentries and stalkers Dark sees it coming he spots the pylon aswell
10:00 - +2 attack begins for Dear probe is saved and a 2nd pylon is put down Dear moves in for the attack lots of force fields but the lings get in Dark crushes the attack!!!
11:00 - Warp in reinforcement though the pylon stays alive more stalkers being warped in good blink micro from Dear
12:00 - Lings being added on 2/2 begins +2 finishes for dear 4th base finishes up for Dark
13:00 - Dear looks to swing around but decides to just back up Robo bay begins Muta production started!!! 12 mutas on the way!!! Pylon picked off
14:00 - Mutas popping out +3 attack begins Hive and +1 fliers on the way 4 infestors being made robo bay and warp prism Dear doesnt know about the mutas They hit the mineral line!!!! He hits the third at the same time!!!
15:00 - A lot of sentries fall Photon overcharge activated Warp prism is sent out with some zealots adrenals glands, burrow and 3/3 begin for dark double stargate started MUTAS DENY THE WARP PRISM!!
Well when he was contract-less on Soul he had something to play and train for, now he's got his payday I wouldn't be surprised if he's relaxed his regimen a bit. Really doesn't seem like the same player as last year.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
33%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
00:00 - Dear Spawns Bottom Left, Dark Spawns Bottom Right
01:00 - Nothing happening so far
02:00 - Hatchery first from Dark Nexus first from Dear Gateway from Dear
03:00 - 3rd Hatch before pool from Dark Fuck yeh 2 gas from Dear Pool from Dark Cyber core
04:00 - Zealot on the way 2 queens Stargate on the way from Dear Warp gate research, Stalker
05:00 - 3 queens finishing up Oracle begins
06:00 - 2nd oracle begins 1st oracle flies towards Dear 3rd nexus and MSC begins forge started 4 worker kills
07:00 - 1 oracle dies 2nd one flies in now more gates being added on +1 attack started Lair
08:00 - Twilight council starts for Dear More gates Roach warren and double evo begins 1 melee/1armour started Blink begins
09:00 - Ling speed and roach speed Spire and infestation pit Dear moves out now with a few sentries and stalkers Dark sees it coming he spots the pylon aswell
10:00 - +2 attack begins for Dear probe is saved and a 2nd pylon is put down Dear moves in for the attack lots of force fields but the lings get in Dark crushes the attack!!!
11:00 - Warp in reinforcement though the pylon stays alive more stalkers being warped in good blink micro from Dear
12:00 - Lings being added on 2/2 begins +2 finishes for dear 4th base finishes up for Dark
13:00 - Dear looks to swing around but decides to just back up Robo bay begins Muta production started!!! 12 mutas on the way!!! Pylon picked off
14:00 - Mutas popping out +3 attack begins Hive and +1 fliers on the way 4 infestors being made robo bay and warp prism Dear doesnt know about the mutas They hit the mineral line!!!! He hits the third at the same time!!!
15:00 - A lot of sentries fall Photon overcharge activated Warp prism is sent out with some zealots adrenals glands, burrow and 3/3 begin for dark double stargate started MUTAS DENY THE WARP PRISM!!
16:00 - Ultralisk cavern started Dark moves in with his roach,ling infestor army good force fields
17:00 - Great forces fields from Dear Meanwhile the mutas fly to the natural killing off lots of workers!!! Dear cleans up the front more lings being made
18:00 - Ultralisks being made 5 Ultras!!!!!! Lings attack the third zealots killing the 5th the 3rd nexus falls Dear calls GG Dark 2 - 1 Dear
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★- Good game (2)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (4)
33%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Dear vs Dark Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 18:54 Big J wrote: Did Dear micro anything in this game?
Stalkers. ROFL
yeah, right. He blink microed. But anything else... messed up FFs, losing oracles to queens, getting half of his probes killed by mutas before reacting. Engaging mass roach with a few zealot/sentry.
On February 26 2014 18:47 Morbidius wrote: How did dear get so bad wtf.
He was lucky in the past
Winning 2 of the most prestigious tournaments of the year in a row can't have been a fluke... can it?
Some people call it "momentum". One good player manages to pull really good results, and pile them up a bit thanks to "something" (confidence... ?)
skill
but it's totally understandable to see his results decline sharply after a significant environment change
Skill is a prerequisite I'd say, not "the reason", but that doesn't explain everything indeed (otherwise, we'd have an obvious best player in the world, but we don't).
On February 26 2014 18:47 Morbidius wrote: How did dear get so bad wtf.
He was lucky in the past
Winning 2 of the most prestigious tournaments of the year in a row can't have been a fluke... can it?
Some people call it "momentum". One good player manages to pull really good results, and pile them up a bit thanks to "something" (confidence... ?)
skill
but it's totally understandable to see his results decline sharply after a significant environment change
Skill is a prerequisite I'd say, not "the reason", but that doesn't explain everything indeed (otherwise, we'd have an obvious best player in the world, but we don't).
PvZ on Alterzim is actually pretty damn hard. I don't know why Protoss always pick that map. sOs picked that map vs soO and got wrecked as well. It's quite confusing why, but hey I'm not a pro so I could be wrong, just seems Zergs have so much freedom on that map with so many bases so far away from everything. I think Dear will still come in 2nd, he just needed to warm up some more
On February 26 2014 18:47 Morbidius wrote: How did dear get so bad wtf.
He was lucky in the past
Winning 2 of the most prestigious tournaments of the year in a row can't have been a fluke... can it?
Some people call it "momentum". One good player manages to pull really good results, and pile them up a bit thanks to "something" (confidence... ?)
skill
but it's totally understandable to see his results decline sharply after a significant environment change
Honestly momentum is a totally understandable explanation though no matter what it is, its very odd. Its really hard to chalk up his amazing play to momentum and then say this is his norm. Momentum really shouldn't affect his play so much he goes from someone that doesn't look like they should be in code S to a guy that crushes code s and the season finals. Especially when his bad play is coming when his race is arguably the strongest it has ever been. I gotta assume his team change is a big cause of it personally.
Ironically, Dear was one of the best Protoss at defending multi-prong attacks and harassment, like nobody could even touch him. Now he can't micro even in one fight, and if opponents attack him at multiple places at once, he completely falls apart. I just hope that he has a bad period and that he will get over it.
On February 26 2014 19:01 ArTiFaKs wrote: PvZ on Alterzim is actually pretty damn hard. I don't know why Protoss always pick that map. sOs picked that map vs soO and got wrecked as well. It's quite confusing why, but hey I'm not a pro so I could be wrong, just seems Zergs have so much freedom on that map with so many bases so far away from everything. I think Dear will still come in 2nd, he just needed to warm up some more
On February 26 2014 19:01 ArTiFaKs wrote: PvZ on Alterzim is actually pretty damn hard. I don't know why Protoss always pick that map. sOs picked that map vs soO and got wrecked as well. It's quite confusing why, but hey I'm not a pro so I could be wrong, just seems Zergs have so much freedom on that map with so many bases so far away from everything. I think Dear will still come in 2nd, he just needed to warm up some more
On February 26 2014 18:55 Shellshock wrote: Is Dear the next Seed?!
He peaked harder than Seed, so I imagine him to fall harder too... check out Dear at your local gaming store in 6 months time.
"Hello welcome to GameStop! Oh you want to trade some games? I give you 2,50$ for the 25 games you brought me"
Lol so true. "Oh you literally haven't opened it from it's original case and that game came out less than 2 hours ago? Here's 50 cents or you can get GameStop credit! That'll bump it up to $1.00!"
On February 26 2014 18:47 Morbidius wrote: How did dear get so bad wtf.
He was lucky in the past
Winning 2 of the most prestigious tournaments of the year in a row can't have been a fluke... can it?
Some people call it "momentum". One good player manages to pull really good results, and pile them up a bit thanks to "something" (confidence... ?)
skill
but it's totally understandable to see his results decline sharply after a significant environment change
Skill is a prerequisite I'd say, not "the reason", but that doesn't explain everything indeed (otherwise, we'd have an obvious best player in the world, but we don't).
Elfi.
I was thinking exactly that haha "Gosh, that could be a description of Elfi."
On February 26 2014 19:01 ArTiFaKs wrote: PvZ on Alterzim is actually pretty damn hard. I don't know why Protoss always pick that map. sOs picked that map vs soO and got wrecked as well. It's quite confusing why, but hey I'm not a pro so I could be wrong, just seems Zergs have so much freedom on that map with so many bases so far away from everything. I think Dear will still come in 2nd, he just needed to warm up some more
maybe they're expecting a game like San vs Life where protoss just gets so much money and such a good army that zerg cant beat it and even when zerg tries to trade vs it and remax on 45 mutas the protoss can just do a 5 stargate phoenix transition and hold it
On February 26 2014 18:54 Big J wrote: Did Dear micro anything in this game?
Stalkers. ROFL
yeah, right. He blink microed. But anything else... messed up FFs, losing oracles to queens, getting half of his probes killed by mutas before reacting. Engaging mass roach with a few zealot/sentry.
Well to be fair he had to do blink micro to clean up the army at front. I dont think it is possible for a protoss without splash to be able to micro enough to get out of the situation he was in.
On February 26 2014 19:01 ArTiFaKs wrote: PvZ on Alterzim is actually pretty damn hard. I don't know why Protoss always pick that map. sOs picked that map vs soO and got wrecked as well. It's quite confusing why, but hey I'm not a pro so I could be wrong, just seems Zergs have so much freedom on that map with so many bases so far away from everything. I think Dear will still come in 2nd, he just needed to warm up some more
maybe they're expecting a game like San vs Life where protoss just gets so much money and such a good army that zerg cant beat it and even when zerg tries to trade vs it and remax on 45 mutas the protoss can just do a 5 stargate phoenix transition and hold it
Ya I guess, but then why do some kind of low-tech push with Blink Stalkers and zealot sentry off 3base? Would've made more sense if he would've teched up but he literally just went with Gateway units.
On February 26 2014 18:55 Shellshock wrote: Is Dear the next Seed?!
He peaked harder than Seed, so I imagine him to fall harder too... check out Dear at your local gaming store in 6 months time.
"Hello welcome to GameStop! Oh you want to trade some games? I give you 2,50$ for the 25 games you brought me"
Lol so true. "Oh you literally haven't opened it from it's original case and that game came out less than 2 hours ago? Here's 50 cents or you can get GameStop credit! That'll bump it up to $1.00!"
Ya, thats why i rather put my games in a box and store them somewhere. Because i refuse to sell it to Gamestop for 5$ so they can resell it for 40$. And i often like to re-play games some time later
On February 26 2014 18:55 Shellshock wrote: Is Dear the next Seed?!
He peaked harder than Seed, so I imagine him to fall harder too... check out Dear at your local gaming store in 6 months time.
"Hello welcome to GameStop! Oh you want to trade some games? I give you 2,50$ for the 25 games you brought me"
Lol so true. "Oh you literally haven't opened it from it's original case and that game came out less than 2 hours ago? Here's 50 cents or you can get GameStop credit! That'll bump it up to $1.00!"
Ya, thats why i rather put my games in a box and store them somewhere. Because i refuse to sell it to Gamestop for 5$ so they can resell it for 40$. And i often like to re-play games some time later
Oh ya for sure, and these days the games don't really get "bad" or anything like they used to. But ya, fuck GameStop.
00:00 - Yongwha spawns Bottom Right, Life spawns Top Right
01:00 - Life scouting wrong way with his OL gateway first from Yong
02:00 - Nice hair bro gas from dear Hatch first from life Yong scouts the hatch of life cyber core
03:00 - 3 hatch before pool from life more drones zealot begins spawning pool from life Yong saving up chrono Warp gate research begins stalker, chrono on the warpgate
04:00 - Zealot moves out 3 more gates being added on ITS FUCKING 2011 BITCHES!!!! 3 queens added for Life
05:00 - Pylon going down for yonghwa now life adding on spine crawlers lings on the way Life sees all the gates 4 stalkers warped in life sacks the 3rd base
00:00 - Yongwha spawns Bottom Right, Life spawns Top Right
01:00 - Life scouting wrong way with his OL gateway first from Yong
02:00 - Nice hair bro gas from dear Hatch first from life Yong scouts the hatch of life cyber core
03:00 - 3 hatch before pool from life more drones zealot begins spawning pool from life Yong saving up chrono Warp gate research begins stalker, chrono on the warpgate
04:00 - Zealot moves out 3 more gates being added on ITS FUCKING 2011 BITCHES!!!! 3 queens added for Life
05:00 - Pylon going down for yonghwa now life adding on spine crawlers lings on the way Life sees all the gates 4 stalkers warped in life sacks the 3rd base
06:00 - More spines HERE COMES Yong HE PUSHES UP THE RAMP... Spines and queens are there Life with a counter attack
07:00 - The third base falls Life droning up now Yonghwa expands
08:00 - Life pushing out with his queens now Twilight council started lots of lings out from life pylon picked off
09:00 - Life expands to this 3rd base again ling speed started Blink research begins
10:00 - more gates being added on double evo begins for life Macro hatchery for life aswell 1/1 begins for life probe moves out for yong
00:00 - Yongwha spawns Bottom Right, Life spawns Top Right
01:00 - Life scouting wrong way with his OL gateway first from Yong
02:00 - Nice hair bro gas from dear Hatch first from life Yong scouts the hatch of life cyber core
03:00 - 3 hatch before pool from life more drones zealot begins spawning pool from life Yong saving up chrono Warp gate research begins stalker, chrono on the warpgate
04:00 - Zealot moves out 3 more gates being added on ITS FUCKING 2011 BITCHES!!!! 3 queens added for Life
05:00 - Pylon going down for yonghwa now life adding on spine crawlers lings on the way Life sees all the gates 4 stalkers warped in life sacks the 3rd base
06:00 - More spines HERE COMES Yong HE PUSHES UP THE RAMP... Spines and queens are there Life with a counter attack
07:00 - The third base falls Life droning up now Yonghwa expands
08:00 - Life pushing out with his queens now Twilight council started lots of lings out from life pylon picked off
09:00 - Life expands to this 3rd base again ling speed started Blink research begins
10:00 - more gates being added on double evo begins for life Macro hatchery for life aswell 1/1 begins for life probe moves out for yong
11:00 - Blink finishing up and yongwha moves out with a lot of stalkers life trying to buy some time
12:00 - Roaches and lings being added on Ling trying at the back to get something done, no dice Yongwha pushing forward to the 3rd More spines being made HERE COMES YONG!!!
13:00 - One spine goes down another warp in round of zealots good force fields another spines goes down life picks off a pylon Burrow started
14:00 - More roaches being made Can yongwha break this!!!!!!!!! HE MOVES IN AGAIN TO THE THIRD ROACHES PUSH BUT THERE ARE SO MANY STALEKRS!!!!!!
15:00 - Life pushes back for now he finds another pylon and yongwha has to warp in from a long way away Life has burrow now, it will be hard for yongwha here HE GOES IN AGAIN LIFE PUSHES FORWARD!!!!!!!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★- Good game (5)
42%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
17%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
00:00 - Yongwha spawns Bottom Right, Life spawns Top Right
01:00 - Life scouting wrong way with his OL gateway first from Yong
02:00 - Nice hair bro gas from dear Hatch first from life Yong scouts the hatch of life cyber core
03:00 - 3 hatch before pool from life more drones zealot begins spawning pool from life Yong saving up chrono Warp gate research begins stalker, chrono on the warpgate
04:00 - Zealot moves out 3 more gates being added on ITS FUCKING 2011 BITCHES!!!! 3 queens added for Life
05:00 - Pylon going down for yonghwa now life adding on spine crawlers lings on the way Life sees all the gates 4 stalkers warped in life sacks the 3rd base
06:00 - More spines HERE COMES Yong HE PUSHES UP THE RAMP... Spines and queens are there Life with a counter attack
07:00 - The third base falls Life droning up now Yonghwa expands
08:00 - Life pushing out with his queens now Twilight council started lots of lings out from life pylon picked off
09:00 - Life expands to this 3rd base again ling speed started Blink research begins
10:00 - more gates being added on double evo begins for life Macro hatchery for life aswell 1/1 begins for life probe moves out for yong
11:00 - Blink finishing up and yongwha moves out with a lot of stalkers life trying to buy some time
12:00 - Roaches and lings being added on Ling trying at the back to get something done, no dice Yongwha pushing forward to the 3rd More spines being made HERE COMES YONG!!!
13:00 - One spine goes down another warp in round of zealots good force fields another spines goes down life picks off a pylon Burrow started
14:00 - More roaches being made Can yongwha break this!!!!!!!!! HE MOVES IN AGAIN TO THE THIRD ROACHES PUSH BUT THERE ARE SO MANY STALEKRS!!!!!!
15:00 - Life pushes back for now he finds another pylon and yongwha has to warp in from a long way away Life has burrow now, it will be hard for yongwha here HE GOES IN AGAIN LIFE PUSHES FORWARD!!!!!!!
On February 26 2014 19:18 Shellshock wrote: Yonghwa should just soultrain the next map. I'm pretty sure that's what Creator did for the majority of the games when he recently went 5-1 vs Life
YongHwa read that game pretty poorly. Maybe he felt he had to do an all in after the failed 4gate. But doing that attack without a +1 seems rather silly. Life sat +1 lings and +1 armor on roaches and lings with queens creep and spines. He should never of lost that and he didn't even look close too.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
33%
★★★- Good game (5)
42%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (2)
17%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 19:20 ArTiFaKs wrote: Another Protoss losing on Alterzim to Zerg... Guna have to start rethinking favoring Protoss on that map maybe?
He went for a 4-gate... on 1 base... on Alterzim...
On February 26 2014 19:20 ArTiFaKs wrote: Another Protoss losing on Alterzim to Zerg... Guna have to start rethinking favoring Protoss on that map maybe?
On February 26 2014 18:47 Morbidius wrote: How did dear get so bad wtf.
He was lucky in the past
Winning 2 of the most prestigious tournaments of the year in a row can't have been a fluke... can it?
Some people call it "momentum". One good player manages to pull really good results, and pile them up a bit thanks to "something" (confidence... ?)
skill
but it's totally understandable to see his results decline sharply after a significant environment change
Skill is a prerequisite I'd say, not "the reason", but that doesn't explain everything indeed (otherwise, we'd have an obvious best player in the world, but we don't).
Elfi.
Can somebody enlighten me whats with all this talk about elfi? I´ve also read his name multiple times in the PL thread. O_o
01:00 - we just chilling, relaxing, Pool from life
02:00 - Pylon on the low ground for Yonghwa Probe moving out, Hatchery Nexus first from Yonghwa
03:00 - Life gets to the front, sees the forge go down Forge from Yonghwa, gateway lings and queens being added ..WO LIFE PULLING EVERY DRONE AND ADDING MORE LINGS!!!!! THIS IS NUTS!!
04:00 - WHAT IN THE SHIT!!!!!! HERE COME THE DRONES AND LINGS YONGWHA GETS A PYLON AND BLOCKS THE WAY IN LIFE DRONE DRILLING ON THE CANNON!!!! THE CANNON FALLS!!!!!!!!!
05:00 - A ZEALOT IS OUT LINGS MOSTLY DEAD THE ZEALOT FALLS, ANOTHER POPS OUT LING RUNS TO THE MAIN AHHH!!!!
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
★★★- Good game (4)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (29)
64%
45 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
01:00 - we just chilling, relaxing, Pool from life
02:00 - Pylon on the low ground for Yonghwa Probe moving out, Hatchery Nexus first from Yonghwa
03:00 - Life gets to the front, sees the forge go down Forge from Yonghwa, gateway lings and queens being added ..WO LIFE PULLING EVERY DRONE AND ADDING MORE LINGS!!!!! THIS IS NUTS!!
04:00 - WHAT IN THE SHIT!!!!!! HERE COME THE DRONES AND LINGS YONGWHA GETS A PYLON AND BLOCKS THE WAY IN LIFE DRONE DRILLING ON THE CANNON!!!! THE CANNON FALLS!!!!!!!!!
05:00 - A ZEALOT IS OUT LINGS MOSTLY DEAD THE ZEALOT FALLS, ANOTHER POPS OUT LING RUNS TO THE MAIN AHHH!!!!
06:00 - A msc pops out Life chasing down probes wont get any... life has only 5 drones, basically everything he has is dead
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
2%
★★★- Good game (4)
9%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (6)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (29)
64%
45 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
01:00 - we just chilling, relaxing, Pool from life
02:00 - Pylon on the low ground for Yonghwa Probe moving out, Hatchery Nexus first from Yonghwa
03:00 - Life gets to the front, sees the forge go down Forge from Yonghwa, gateway lings and queens being added ..WO LIFE PULLING EVERY DRONE AND ADDING MORE LINGS!!!!! THIS IS NUTS!!
04:00 - WHAT IN THE SHIT!!!!!! HERE COME THE DRONES AND LINGS YONGWHA GETS A PYLON AND BLOCKS THE WAY IN LIFE DRONE DRILLING ON THE CANNON!!!! THE CANNON FALLS!!!!!!!!!
05:00 - A ZEALOT IS OUT LINGS MOSTLY DEAD THE ZEALOT FALLS, ANOTHER POPS OUT LING RUNS TO THE MAIN AHHH!!!!
06:00 - A msc pops out Life chasing down probes wont get any... life has only 5 drones, basically everything he has is dead
To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
Life is always gambling a lot with his builds, same thing when he made like 60 speedlings on 2 bases against Taeja, just to be deflected by 4 Hellions that were behind Supply Depots.
I wouldn't be surprised if he get back to Code A with that kind of play.
On February 26 2014 19:28 Pandemona wrote: To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
also a MSC costs 100/100 i feel like this build can only work because of the MSC
On February 26 2014 19:28 Pandemona wrote: To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
I think it was such a rare situation that Yonghwa didn't know if more reinforcements were coming. Zealot at wall means Life couldn't cost effective break in or kill the zealot and the MsC would take care of the rest while his probes ran around. It was the 'safe' play.
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
It's ro32..
Yeah I know it is ro32 but a lot of guys who advanced didn't really look convincing at all so they will need to step it up quite a bit in order to go past ro16.
For example I remember WCS S1 with Soulkey vs. Inno finals was overall much better, even in the early rounds
01:00 - Probe scout from YH Gateway first He denies the hatchery from going down Life goes pool first
02:00 - Pylon block at the natural gas from Yonghwa Life takes the 3rd base as his expansion
03:00 - Lings coming out now and will clean up the pylon Nexus and Cyber core for YH Zealot from YH A probe comes out from YH
04:00 - Life expands to his natural now he didn't see the probe apparently lings get to the natural and see the nexus MSC completes so he wont get much done YH sees the 3rd base with his probe
05:00 - Warp gate research begins Stargate begins for Yonghwa
On February 26 2014 19:28 Pandemona wrote: To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
also a MSC costs 100/100 i feel like this build can only work because of the MSC
Even worst could of chrono'd out another Zealot and have 2 zealots but chose an ultra safe MSC lol. Strange. But all in all vs that opening Life was never going to win :s
On February 26 2014 19:28 Pandemona wrote: To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
also a MSC costs 100/100 i feel like this build can only work because of the MSC
Even worst could of chrono'd out another Zealot and have 2 zealots but chose an ultra safe MSC lol. Strange. But all in all vs that opening Life was never going to win :s
Was that only ever going to work against anything other than double expand before gate?
On February 26 2014 19:28 Pandemona wrote: To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
also a MSC costs 100/100 i feel like this build can only work because of the MSC
Even worst could of chrono'd out another Zealot and have 2 zealots but chose an ultra safe MSC lol. Strange. But all in all vs that opening Life was never going to win :s
Was that only ever going to work against anything other than double expand before gate?
if the toss isnt prepared and doesnt build a building to block, idk
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
01:00 - Probe scout from YH Gateway first He denies the hatchery from going down Life goes pool first
02:00 - Pylon block at the natural gas from Yonghwa Life takes the 3rd base as his expansion
03:00 - Lings coming out now and will clean up the pylon Nexus and Cyber core for YH Zealot from YH A probe comes out from YH
04:00 - Life expands to his natural now he didn't see the probe apparently lings get to the natural and see the nexus MSC completes so he wont get much done YH sees the 3rd base with his probe
05:00 - Warp gate research begins Stargate begins for Yonghwa
06:00 - Phoenix begins for Yonghwa Twilight council begins immediately more gates being added on
07:00 - Blink research begins Roach warren started up for Life yonghwa going up to 7 gateways on 2 bases
08:00 - Ling speed started Double evo chamber 1/1 starts for life lings and a macro hatch being made
09:00 - Lair starts Life making a bunch of lings now, stalkers move out across the map huge swell of lings being made Roaches on the way too YH has a loy of stalkers though spines being added
10:00 - Zealots warped in LIng gets a good surround on the stalkers Roach speed started CAN LIFE HOLD!!!!
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★- Good game (11)
69%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
01:00 - Probe scout from YH Gateway first He denies the hatchery from going down Life goes pool first
02:00 - Pylon block at the natural gas from Yonghwa Life takes the 3rd base as his expansion
03:00 - Lings coming out now and will clean up the pylon Nexus and Cyber core for YH Zealot from YH A probe comes out from YH
04:00 - Life expands to his natural now he didn't see the probe apparently lings get to the natural and see the nexus MSC completes so he wont get much done YH sees the 3rd base with his probe
05:00 - Warp gate research begins Stargate begins for Yonghwa
06:00 - Phoenix begins for Yonghwa Twilight council begins immediately more gates being added on
07:00 - Blink research begins Roach warren started up for Life yonghwa going up to 7 gateways on 2 bases
08:00 - Ling speed started Double evo chamber 1/1 starts for life lings and a macro hatch being made
09:00 - Lair starts Life making a bunch of lings now, stalkers move out across the map huge swell of lings being made Roaches on the way too YH has a loy of stalkers though spines being added
10:00 - Zealots warped in LIng gets a good surround on the stalkers Roach speed started CAN LIFE HOLD!!!!
11:00 - Ling gets good surface but there are a lot of stalkers still most of the lings are dead this is a bit scary stalkers go around and head to the 3rd base
12:00 - Huge stalker count Life adding on roaches YH has to mass blink away more stalkers waroed in great blink micro from YH
13:00 - Yh goes around to the natural again spines there to defend Life still making roaches and lings YH goes to the third PUSHES IN!!!!! DOES HE HAVE ENOUGH!!!!!!!! GOOD BLINK MICRO.... LINGS IN NOW ZEALOTS WARPED IN!!!
14:00 - Slight over extension but YH just has soo many stalkers YH goes back to the natural and moves in again A battle at the natural good concave for life HE MIGHT HAVE TOO MUCH NOW
15:00 - LIFE HAS TOO MUCH NOW THE ROACHES AND QUEENS FUCK THEMN LIFE LIFE FUCK YOU PROTOSS!!!!! GG
On February 26 2014 19:28 Pandemona wrote: To be honest he holds that without MSC anyway. He had a zealot and 10 probes vs 4 drones and 6 lings? Easy hold, but for some reason YongHwa chose to block his wall with the zealot? Could of fought with it and his probes and would of been fine. There were going to be no other units coming in from Life he had pulled all his drones so i don't know why he would be blocking his wall? Unless he was scared Life was going to just run away? But even if he did just run out 2 Nexus + 2 chrono boost > 1 base zerg with like 5 drones.
also a MSC costs 100/100 i feel like this build can only work because of the MSC
Even worst could of chrono'd out another Zealot and have 2 zealots but chose an ultra safe MSC lol. Strange. But all in all vs that opening Life was never going to win :s
Was that only ever going to work against anything other than double expand before gate?
Well he didn't gateway block he forge expanded and blocked that way so i think that helped him.
On February 26 2014 19:38 Dark.Carnival wrote: must be a pact made by protoss to channel their inner hongun in hopes david kim doesn't hit them with a nerf bat
Life showed us something really good, something that barely any Zerg is doing, and that is constantly making Queens and I mean constantly! In the end he had like ~10 or so Queens, always transfusing everything and keep trading good with blink Stalkers.
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★- Good game (11)
69%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (2)
13%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
6%
16 total votes
Your vote: Recommend YongHwa vs Life Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 19:20 ArTiFaKs wrote: Another Protoss losing on Alterzim to Zerg... Guna have to start rethinking favoring Protoss on that map maybe?
On February 26 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote: Life showed us something really good, something that barely any Zerg is doing, and that is constantly making Queens and I mean constantly! In the end he had like ~10 or so Queens, always transfusing everything and keep trading good with blink Stalkers.
Yeah I was making mental notes of that as well. I was like 'how is he holding this' but the queen count just kept growing. Also pretty effective way to spend money in a situation like this as they use no larva.
On February 26 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote: Life showed us something really good, something that barely any Zerg is doing, and that is constantly making Queens and I mean constantly! In the end he had like ~10 or so Queens, always transfusing everything and keep trading good with blink Stalkers.
Yep, without the Queens, he might have been screwed.
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
In the actual context, maaaaaaybe ? But I can't say that Flash or INno are bad. They are not performing exceptionally well besides team tournaments, and I'd definitely wager that at the moment, players like Zest are better than those terrans, all bitching about balance aside.
Just look at the players participating, there's less heavy talented terrans at the moment compared to the Soulkeys Partings or Classics.
On February 26 2014 19:20 ArTiFaKs wrote: Another Protoss losing on Alterzim to Zerg... Guna have to start rethinking favoring Protoss on that map maybe?
On February 26 2014 19:39 Ramiz1989 wrote: Life showed us something really good, something that barely any Zerg is doing, and that is constantly making Queens and I mean constantly! In the end he had like ~10 or so Queens, always transfusing everything and keep trading good with blink Stalkers.
Yeah I was making mental notes of that as well. I was like 'how is he holding this' but the queen count just kept growing. Also pretty effective way to spend money in a situation like this as they use no larva.
... which many lesser Zerg screw up. They pull the Queens and have no Larva left afterwards because they lose the injects :-P I've seen that waaaaay too often-
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
In the actual context, maaaaaaybe ? But I can't say that Flash or INno are bad. They are not performing exceptionally well besides team tournaments, and I'd definitely wager that at the moment, players like Zest are better than those terrans, all bitching about balance aside.
Just look at the players participating, there's less heavy talented terrans at the moment compared to the Soulkeys Partings or Classics.
My opinion though
That's totally okay, discussion ^_^
Still, counting Flash, Inno, etc as B-list Korean and implying players in Code S are really good, well, I dunno...
Protoss? Mmmh Myungsik, Paralyze, Panic, wow top tier players indeed
Zerg? Hydra, Pet, Solar, DRG in his current form? Not that bad, but I would not rank them that good compared to the terrans that didn't make it.
As for the less talented terrans, well, the Polts, Taejas, MMA, Mvp, etc are all abroad now indeed...
00:00 - Dark spawns Top Right, Life spawns Bottom left
01:00 - Early pool from Dark May have been a 10 pool
02:00 - Life goes pool first Hatchery from Life Lings on the way from Dark
03:00 - Lings get to the natural and attack the hatchery of life drones and lings move down good micro from dark
04:00 - Hatchery does finish up Life has enough lings out now and forces dark back Dark has a gas much earlier Dark begins ling speed He tries to expand but life gets there and stops it
05:00 - Life begins a spine crawler and more drones life gets the drone Baneling nest on the way for Dark 10 lings being added Life has the ramp blocked
Wow, Life fending off early aggressions quite well when hatch'ing early. I like it ! (Still not on the level of that Life - DRG Game 7 at Iron Squid 2).
00:00 - Dark spawns Top Right, Life spawns Bottom left
01:00 - Early pool from Dark May have been a 10 pool
02:00 - Life goes pool first Hatchery from Life Lings on the way from Dark
03:00 - Lings get to the natural and attack the hatchery of life drones and lings move down good micro from dark
04:00 - Hatchery does finish up Life has enough lings out now and forces dark back Dark has a gas much earlier Dark begins ling speed He tries to expand but life gets there and stops it
05:00 - Life begins a spine crawler and more drones life gets the drone Baneling nest on the way for Dark 10 lings being added Life has the ramp blocked
06:00 - More queens being added from Life he has 4 queens and 2 spines Dark expands now but it is much later than lifes Life adding on gas now
07:00 - Dark morphing a huge amount banes HERE COMES DARK He kills some drones lings get into the main but not a huge amount
08:00 - Not a great amount of damage done by dark but he gets a few drones Life pokes the front of dark with slow lings he gets quite a few drones
09:00 - Lair starts for life he keeps killing more drones Double evo chamber wall for life Roach warren starts for Life
10:00 - Life gets his queen caught mid map Dark kills off one queen transfuse saves them
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (8)
80%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
00:00 - Dark spawns Top Right, Life spawns Bottom left
01:00 - Early pool from Dark May have been a 10 pool
02:00 - Life goes pool first Hatchery from Life Lings on the way from Dark
03:00 - Lings get to the natural and attack the hatchery of life drones and lings move down good micro from dark
04:00 - Hatchery does finish up Life has enough lings out now and forces dark back Dark has a gas much earlier Dark begins ling speed He tries to expand but life gets there and stops it
05:00 - Life begins a spine crawler and more drones life gets the drone Baneling nest on the way for Dark 10 lings being added Life has the ramp blocked
06:00 - More queens being added from Life he has 4 queens and 2 spines Dark expands now but it is much later than lifes Life adding on gas now
07:00 - Dark morphing a huge amount banes HERE COMES DARK He kills some drones lings get into the main but not a huge amount
08:00 - Not a great amount of damage done by dark but he gets a few drones Life pokes the front of dark with slow lings he gets quite a few drones
09:00 - Lair starts for life he keeps killing more drones Double evo chamber wall for life Roach warren starts for Life
10:00 - Life gets his queen caught mid map Dark kills off one queen transfuse saves them
11:00 - +1 range and armour and roach speed for life he takes a 3rd base dark morphing a huge amount of banes again Life totally walls in roaches being made
12:00 - Life lets the 3rd finish and it gets killed immediately DARK RUNS IN WITH HIS BANES HEADS TO THE MINERAL LINE!!! THE HATCH AND THE DRONES ALL FALL!!!!!!!!!!!
13:00 - Life has to counter with a huge amount of roaches Dark adds on 5 spine crawlers LIFE MOVES IN !!!! THE SPINES ARE ALL BEING PICKED OFF " SPINES DO FINISH IT MIGHT NOT BE ENOIGH LIFE RALLYING ROACHES!!!
14:00 - Too much stuff for Life Dark has nothing now GG
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (8)
80%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
On February 26 2014 20:02 Lorning wrote: The Polar Night is Dark and full of zerg
And holding that third base beyond the wall at your natural is kind of as gross and terrifying as living in the house of that guy who has a harem of his own daughters.
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
Another thing to note is that in terms of Code S quality talent that left to other regions Terran was probably hit the hardest. MMA Polt and Taeja are almost all certainly capable of being in code S and succeeding. For toss prolly just Hero and maybe MC. Zerg really just JD
01:00 - No early shenanigans so far Both players going Pool first
02:00 - Both players expand Mirror builds so far Dark takes a gas early
03:00 - Life playing gasless so far
04:00 - Little ling skirmish but not much going on Life still with no gas and adding on queens
05:00 - Spine crawler being morphed by Life Evo chamber and Lair from Dark
06:00 - +1 range for Dark Roach warren from both players 3rd bases at a similar time
07:00 - Roach speed for Dark Ling speed for life and his lair Swell of lings for life Darl making roaches now
08:00 - More and more lings for life a few roaches being added on +1 range starts for life more roaches for Dark Ling moves out with his lings and tries to snipe the third base Dark moves down to defend
09:00 - Life snipes the hatchery and moves back Dark tries to counter attack now Life counters with lings, gets a few roaches with it and slows the reup Dark moves into the third base and looks for the snipe Life trying to defend
10:00 - Dark trying to break through but Life has more roaches to reinforce Looks like life will have enough and he holds his 3rd
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
Another thing to note is that in terms of Code S quality talent that left to other regions Terran was probably hit the hardest. MMA Polt and Taeja are almost all certainly capable of being in code S and succeeding. For toss prolly just Hero and maybe MC. Zerg really just JD
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
Another thing to note is that in terms of Code S quality talent that left to other regions Terran was probably hit the hardest. MMA Polt and Taeja are almost all certainly capable of being in code S and succeeding. For toss prolly just Hero and maybe MC. Zerg really just JD
RIP First
Wait did first leave? I didn't even realize that. (I would also like to add Jjacki to my list of terrans as well especially since he gave up his spot in code S this season)
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
Another thing to note is that in terms of Code S quality talent that left to other regions Terran was probably hit the hardest. MMA Polt and Taeja are almost all certainly capable of being in code S and succeeding. For toss prolly just Hero and maybe MC. Zerg really just JD
RIP First
Wait did first leave? I didn't even realize that. (I would also like to add Jjacki to my list of terrans as well especially since he gave up his spot in code S this season)
Yeah First and YoDa left IM and tried for WCS EU but didn't qualify
Ok, these zerglings cutting off reinforcements were very very good, but why didn't Tastosis mention the transfuses in that exchange? Life's queens did like 5-6 of them, which let Life hold long enough for his reinforcements to kick in.
01:00 - No early shenanigans so far Both players going Pool first
02:00 - Both players expand Mirror builds so far Dark takes a gas early
03:00 - Life playing gasless so far
04:00 - Little ling skirmish but not much going on Life still with no gas and adding on queens
05:00 - Spine crawler being morphed by Life Evo chamber and Lair from Dark
06:00 - +1 range for Dark Roach warren from both players 3rd bases at a similar time
07:00 - Roach speed for Dark Ling speed for life and his lair Swell of lings for life Darl making roaches now
08:00 - More and more lings for life a few roaches being added on +1 range starts for life more roaches for Dark Ling moves out with his lings and tries to snipe the third base Dark moves down to defend
09:00 - Life snipes the hatchery and moves back Dark tries to counter attack now Life counters with lings, gets a few roaches with it and slows the reup Dark moves into the third base and looks for the snipe Life trying to defend
10:00 - Dark trying to break through but Life has more roaches to reinforce Looks like life will have enough and he holds his 3rd
011:00 - +2 on the way for dark and he is rebuilding his 3rd Life is way ahead in supply though +2 begins for life
12:00 - Slight lull in the action now Ling counter for lair to the third but no dice Life holding mid map
13:00 - Burrow movement and +1 armour for Life Life decides to move out now he has a lot of army.... so does dark Life decided not to engage
14:00 - Burrow on the way for life +1 armour for dark aswell Life with quite a big drone lead Dark moving out now!!!!!
15:00 - Dark moving into the third base Life has a better concave so far Dark looks like he is making progress but life has defenders advantage Life harasses the third in the mean time, great multitasking!!! Liefe 170 - 115 Dark
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
★★★- Good game (8)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (5)
36%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
14 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
Poll: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (3)
30%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (4)
40%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (1)
10%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (1)
10%
10 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what (Vote): ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★★★- Good game (Vote): ★★★★- Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
01:00 - No early shenanigans so far Both players going Pool first
02:00 - Both players expand Mirror builds so far Dark takes a gas early
03:00 - Life playing gasless so far
04:00 - Little ling skirmish but not much going on Life still with no gas and adding on queens
05:00 - Spine crawler being morphed by Life Evo chamber and Lair from Dark
06:00 - +1 range for Dark Roach warren from both players 3rd bases at a similar time
07:00 - Roach speed for Dark Ling speed for life and his lair Swell of lings for life Darl making roaches now
08:00 - More and more lings for life a few roaches being added on +1 range starts for life more roaches for Dark Ling moves out with his lings and tries to snipe the third base Dark moves down to defend
09:00 - Life snipes the hatchery and moves back Dark tries to counter attack now Life counters with lings, gets a few roaches with it and slows the reup Dark moves into the third base and looks for the snipe Life trying to defend
10:00 - Dark trying to break through but Life has more roaches to reinforce Looks like life will have enough and he holds his 3rd
011:00 - +2 on the way for dark and he is rebuilding his 3rd Life is way ahead in supply though +2 begins for life
12:00 - Slight lull in the action now Ling counter for lair to the third but no dice Life holding mid map
13:00 - Burrow movement and +1 armour for Life Life decides to move out now he has a lot of army.... so does dark Life decided not to engage
14:00 - Burrow on the way for life +1 armour for dark aswell Life with quite a big drone lead Dark moving out now!!!!!
15:00 - Dark moving into the third base Life has a better concave so far Dark looks like he is making progress but life has defenders advantage Life harasses the third in the mean time, great multitasking!!! Liefe 170 - 115 Dark
16:00 - Life with burrowed roaches everywhere contaminate on a hatch of dark Life looking to land the killing blow LIFE MOVES IN TO THE NATURAL!!!!! HE HAS WAY TOO MUCH LIFE UP 100 SUPPLY GG!!!!!
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57%
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36%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
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30%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
10%
★★★- Good game (4)
40%
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10%
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On February 26 2014 20:11 raga4ka wrote: Why would you attack when you are behind in roaches and economy ...
He didn't know that he is behind in Roaches, he doesn't see what we see. He had to attack to try and at least do something because he was on 2 bases and Life was on 3.
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
Another thing to note is that in terms of Code S quality talent that left to other regions Terran was probably hit the hardest. MMA Polt and Taeja are almost all certainly capable of being in code S and succeeding. For toss prolly just Hero and maybe MC. Zerg really just JD
RIP First
Wait did first leave? I didn't even realize that. (I would also like to add Jjacki to my list of terrans as well especially since he gave up his spot in code S this season)
Yeah First and YoDa left IM and tried for WCS EU but didn't qualify
Oh yeah I kind of remember that now. Neither were in code s though right? It seemed like First had been falling off a bit after looking amazing in S2 last year. Are they going to try and make WCS EU again next season or what?
On February 26 2014 19:26 Qwerty85 wrote: I really feel like GSL level of play dropped considerably compared to some previous seasons.
That's what happens when you lose all the players from 1 race. Lesser players make it to code s
What does that even mean. B-list korean Terrans playing in WCS KR are not on par with either YongHwa or Life. A-list korean Terrans playing in WCS are already qualified for ro16 :o (i mean Maru).
While I disagree with SetGuitarsToKill, I must also disagree with you. Are you really implying Flash, INnoVatioN, Supernova, GuMiHo are B-list korean Terran... ?
Another thing to note is that in terms of Code S quality talent that left to other regions Terran was probably hit the hardest. MMA Polt and Taeja are almost all certainly capable of being in code S and succeeding. For toss prolly just Hero and maybe MC. Zerg really just JD
RIP First
Wait did first leave? I didn't even realize that. (I would also like to add Jjacki to my list of terrans as well especially since he gave up his spot in code S this season)
Yeah First and YoDa left IM and tried for WCS EU but didn't qualify
Oh yeah I kind of remember that now. Neither were in code s though right? It seemed like First had been falling off a bit after looking amazing in S2 last year. Are they going to try and make WCS EU again next season or what?
They both lost in the 2nd round of Code A in the last season of 2013. Yoda started in Code A and First was in Code S but dropped down idk what their plans are for next season
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
On February 26 2014 20:12 w3c.TruE wrote: Dark TT. Such a shame losing to that scrub.
Life didn't lose to him though?
Life is the scrub here, hehe. Soulkey, Rain, Parting and Classic would just demolish him, even with one hand.
soulkey might
ehhh, actually I think he's the most likely of that bunch he could beat. Life's ZvZ is probably his best again and Soulkey's been dropping his share of ZvZ games lately.
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
No idea, but if Protoss breaks the 10/16 record, they break the 66.7% as well :-P
From watching Life recently I had the impression that his ZvZ was much improved. Seems it served him well enough today. Were the games vs. Yonghwa decent? I just woke up (and have to work soon).
On February 26 2014 20:21 izmatic wrote: so i didnt watch the second and third games of dear vs dark... did he just rush him 3 times and it just worked out better the next games?
Game 2 he did Roach Ling again
Game 3 he did a macro game and simply outplayed and crushed Dear
On February 26 2014 20:22 sparklyresidue wrote: From watching Life recently I had the impression that his ZvZ was much improved. Seems it served him well enough today. Were the games vs. Yonghwa decent? I just woke up (and have to work soon).
they were ok. Life played fine. Yonghwa didn't play very well and just went for all ins
On February 26 2014 20:22 sparklyresidue wrote: From watching Life recently I had the impression that his ZvZ was much improved. Seems it served him well enough today. Were the games vs. Yonghwa decent? I just woke up (and have to work soon).
Yeah, sick reaction and starsense against Yonghwa's all-ins. Dropped the 2nd game because he tried some weird ling/drone all-in against a FFE that narrowly didn't work because of Yonghwa's clutch defense.
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
On February 26 2014 20:12 w3c.TruE wrote: Dark TT. Such a shame losing to that scrub.
Life didn't lose to him though?
Life is the scrub here, hehe. Soulkey, Rain, Parting and Classic would just demolish him, even with one hand.
soulkey might
Oh, and i forgot FanTaSy, who just did.
Wasn't that a BO1?
Fantasy has made less than $7,000 in winnings playing SC2.
Just thought you'd like to know.
We don't need him to earn money in individual tournaments, we need him just to destroy lesser player in ProLeague.
I'm sure he'll do it one day
Well, he just did.
Was that on the ladder or something? I just don't see him in the Ro32 is all. Which is weird, cause he did so well in his Code A group. Oh wait, no, he came last.
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
On February 26 2014 20:18 Swisslink wrote: Really good play by Life today. After the struggle lately, I didn't really expect him to go through as easy as he did.
And we got a third Zerg ! Which means: No Protoss is allowed to lose now to break the Terran record of 10/16 :-p
I think Terran might have broken the record for highest rate of advancement from Ro32. 66.7% anyone know if there was a season with better?
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★- Good game (4)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
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★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
29%
★★★- Good game (4)
57%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
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On February 26 2014 20:12 w3c.TruE wrote: Dark TT. Such a shame losing to that scrub.
Life didn't lose to him though?
Life is the scrub here, hehe. Soulkey, Rain, Parting and Classic would just demolish him, even with one hand.
soulkey might
Oh, and i forgot FanTaSy, who just did.
Wasn't that a BO1?
Fantasy has made less than $7,000 in winnings playing SC2.
Just thought you'd like to know.
We don't need him to earn money in individual tournaments, we need him just to destroy lesser player in ProLeague.
I'm sure he'll do it one day
Well, he just did.
Was that on the ladder or something? I just don't see him in the Ro32 is all. Which is weird, cause he did so well in his Code A group. Oh wait, no, he came last.
No it was in ProLeague, and lesser player was Life, obviously...
On February 26 2014 20:12 liberate71 wrote: [quote]
Life didn't lose to him though?
Life is the scrub here, hehe. Soulkey, Rain, Parting and Classic would just demolish him, even with one hand.
soulkey might
Oh, and i forgot FanTaSy, who just did.
Wasn't that a BO1?
Fantasy has made less than $7,000 in winnings playing SC2.
Just thought you'd like to know.
We don't need him to earn money in individual tournaments, we need him just to destroy lesser player in ProLeague.
I'm sure he'll do it one day
Well, he just did.
Was that on the ladder or something? I just don't see him in the Ro32 is all. Which is weird, cause he did so well in his Code A group. Oh wait, no, he came last.
No it was in ProLeague, and lesser player was Life, obviously...
Bo1 does´nt mean shit. If you really think Fantasy is better than Life you´re wrong and if you think Life is a scrub you´re deluded.
On February 26 2014 20:37 VmY wrote: Can't we all bash Sniper instead?
Nobody likes Sniper.
I like Sniper
It's a pretty ordinary game, but I can see why people like it.
You're not talking about the SC2 player right?
Eve deserved to cry. worst build of all time
I was a fan of that day - I'll give you that
I just don't really like HyuN and i felt like Sniper really didn't get a lot of credit for actually being pretty decent and not just infestor brood lord. he had a few good runs in team leagues and was looking to be an up and comer before that era really took off. was pretty happy to see him win that gsl final and it actually ended up being a pretty exciting finish, especially for a zvz final
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
Tell me about it
Its all rather funny, considering that Life dominated during a period when Zerg was considered extremley OP. Life Fanboys should not complain about the current state of protoss, their favourite player earned a fortune by abusing BL/Infestor.
On February 26 2014 20:12 liberate71 wrote: [quote]
Life didn't lose to him though?
Life is the scrub here, hehe. Soulkey, Rain, Parting and Classic would just demolish him, even with one hand.
soulkey might
Oh, and i forgot FanTaSy, who just did.
Wasn't that a BO1?
Fantasy has made less than $7,000 in winnings playing SC2.
Just thought you'd like to know.
We don't need him to earn money in individual tournaments, we need him just to destroy lesser player in ProLeague.
I'm sure he'll do it one day
Well, he just did.
Was that on the ladder or something? I just don't see him in the Ro32 is all. Which is weird, cause he did so well in his Code A group. Oh wait, no, he came last.
No it was in ProLeague, and lesser player was Life, obviously...
Sorro bro Code S Ro16 trumps one game a milliom times
On February 26 2014 20:37 VmY wrote: Can't we all bash Sniper instead?
Nobody likes Sniper.
I like Sniper
It's a pretty ordinary game, but I can see why people like it.
You're not talking about the SC2 player right?
Eve deserved to cry. worst build of all time
I was a fan of that day - I'll give you that
I just don't really like HyuN and i felt like Sniper really didn't get a lot of credit for actually being pretty decent and not just infestor brood lord. he had a few good runs in team leagues and was looking to be an up and comer before that era really took off. was pretty happy to see him win that gsl final and it actually ended up being a pretty exciting finish, especially for a zvz final
He just nuked fan favourites on the way.
If Dear did the same, people would hate him too hahaha. Other than Maru - it was all fodder!
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
Tell me about it
Its all rather funny, considering that Life dominated during a period when Zerg was considered extremley OP. Life Fanboys should not complain about the current state of protoss, their favourite player earned a fortune by abusing BL/Infestor.
He only placed top 2 in 3 premiers in HotS, such terrible
I feel Lifes style makes him vulnerable to certain counter styles while Roro is a bit more "stable" or harder to figure out in a series if you know what I mean
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
57%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
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★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
67%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
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On February 26 2014 20:11 hansonslee wrote: Is it just me or does Life's burrow roach reminds you of RorO's playstyle?
Naa Life isn't that good yet. RorO is the best in the world
One more word and I'll wreck you
LIIIIIIIIFEEEEEEEE
So bm. RorO clearly better your just jelly of his power that RorO brings. Also when your a Zerg and lose to Fanta you know your bad #JustSaying
Get a Life, buddy, or else prepared to get RorO'lled by the holy anti-RorO army!
Lolzi xD At least your all joyous in your attempt to hide away from the truth. Very respectable :D
Hey! Stop laughing! I'm super serious right now! >: ( <= see that angry face?
Last warning!
Ok sorry i'll stop now Back to pre paring for tonights football whilst watching joyous PvP
Hahaha, I guess the "SOS from RorO" operation will wait another time.
Preparing for Manchester or somethin'? ;P
Well not Manchester, however im sure they might look at all the football thread business on TL and prepare to offer me the managers job...i can't do any worst Chelsea match tonight :D
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
Tell me about it
Its all rather funny, considering that Life dominated during a period when Zerg was considered extremley OP. Life Fanboys should not complain about the current state of protoss, their favourite player earned a fortune by abusing BL/Infestor.
Yeah, it's rather funny Life is known for his speedling control (totally abusing BL/Infestor right there).
Does anyone know how Ro16 selection will work? Are the 4 people picking first for a group again decided by that GSL ranking thing they have? If yes, can I see the ranking anywhere? Really sucks that gomtv.net closed
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
14%
★★★- Good game (2)
29%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (4)
57%
★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0)
0%
7 total votes
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Poll: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
★- Do not see this game no matter what (4)
67%
★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★- Good game (1)
17%
★★★★- Highly recommended game (0)
0%
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0%
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On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
Even in that would be true, which can be debated, there is a big difference between bein incosistent and being the scrub. Life may be inconsistent in Code S but Fantasy is consistently not in Code S for two seasons now.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
On February 26 2014 20:45 Squat wrote: Life IS good.
Roro is better though.
Ro-Ro, Zealously is going to kill you now! Prepared to added to the dead list.
I cannot see how anyone could argue otherwise at this point tbh. Roro is probably the nr2 zerg in the world atm.
I think RorO looks better because of his really good Proleague record atm. So, to be frank, it's too early to conclude that he's that good because RorO and Life had their ups and down. Nonetheless, I do see RorO as a scary Zerg player.
Are people seriously trying to argue Fantasy > Life? Of one weird ass game in PL where Fantasy basically did a build no one has ever done before in Life's first game in PL? That makes less than no sense. That game honestly felt like SKT were like shit Fantasy got Life lets just make Lifes head explode with some weird ass build maybe that plus him being nervous about his first PL game will give fantasy the edge.
On February 26 2014 20:45 Squat wrote: Life IS good.
Roro is better though.
Ro-Ro, Zealously is going to kill you now! Prepared to added to the dead list.
I cannot see how anyone could argue otherwise at this point tbh. Roro is probably the nr2 zerg in the world atm.
my top 3 is soulkey, jaedong, roro in that order.
RorO´s recent rise is just seen in PL until now and that does´nt really mean that much. The same happened last year, when PL results made TL writers put Flash, Jangbi and Fantasy in the power rankings, although none of them deserved to be placed the way they were (Flash was probably top 10 back then, but not nr.3 And the other two should´nt have been in there.) I´d say SK is number one atm. and everything else is pretty undetermined. Life, RorO, soO, maybe even Jaedong or Hyun, could all be near.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
I never said Fantasy was a better player than Life, because that's just not true. And yes I do think he is overrated.
And the first part of your comment just doesn't deserve a response, because picking 5 words out of a paragraph out of context is just a silly way to try and prove a point, c'mon man you can do better than that.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
This is not the internet. This is TL. This is sacred ground.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
There's a difference between bantering and raging comments. One requires wit. I wonder which one is which.
Hate these 3 nexus builds ;_; They normally provide awful games. Vs reactionary zergs they just make a bunch of roach hydra and win. If not we have 10minutes of nothing happening until someone makes a mistake of the Protoss decides, ok yeah i have enough time to attack.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look who's talking about how to play the game. You're hilarious xD
If you want to banter, then make it funny, good-spirited, or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
except prime > dead team that used to be call startale
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look, if you want to banter, then make it funny or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
Looks like you don't know how to play the game
Yeah be creative like...Life is like Man United..... :D lololol
Ok that was mean a low...sorry Life your not that bad
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
except prime > dead team that used to be call startale
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look who's talking about how to play the game.
If you want to banter, then make it funny, good-spirited, or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
Just read that from the beggining, with the context...
Life played awesome today and handled his opponents with apparent ease. The drone pull game was silly but the rest of the series was really solid play. Also having fantastic ling micro doesn't make you a gimmicky player it means you have fantastic ling micro.
i don't know how anyone can trash or talk bad about a guy who just got to the gsl ro16. Just think about hoe hard that actually is. Harder than my dick when i watch life destroy a blink all in
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look, if you want to banter, then make it funny or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
Looks like you don't know how to play the game
Yeah be creative like...Life is like Man United..... :D lololol
Ok that was mean a low...sorry Life your not that bad
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
I´d argue, MMA is still better. He does´nt play korean opposition that often, but even when he did, he posted really solid results lately (Season 3 finals, DH Winter).
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look, if you want to banter, then make it funny or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
Looks like you don't know how to play the game
Yeah be creative like...Life is like Man United..... :D lololol
Ok that was mean a low...sorry Life your not that bad
On February 26 2014 21:10 KelsierSC wrote: Life played awesome today and handled his opponents with apparent ease. The drone pull game was silly but the rest of the series was really solid play. Also having fantastic long micro doesn't make you a gimmicky player it means you have fantastic ling micro.
i don't know how anyone can trash or talk bad about a guy who just got to the gsl ro16. Just think about hoe hard that actually is. Harder than my dick when i watch life destroy a blink all in
He got lucky not having to play Dear to be honest.
Oh nice, 14minute hive and +3. Hats off to Dark this could make it an interesting fight vs a slacking upgrades for Toss due to how heavy double robo play is on gas. +3 toss vs 3-2 Roach Hydra...nice
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look who's talking about how to play the game.
If you want to banter, then make it funny, good-spirited, or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
Just read that from the beggining, with the context...
Anyway, this is really crazy build from Dear!
Man, I wish I could lecture you on how to banter correctly, but there's no point if the grasshopper is unwilling to learn.
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On February 26 2014 20:44 liberate71 wrote: [quote]
It's ok you're losing your argument so bad, that people have stopped caring
Sorry dude but Life is really overrated. He's not nearly as good as people make him out to be. It's crazy he's still only 17 so he still has a chance to get there, but dude is way too inconsistent.
"A chance to get there". I like that phrase. Like he's some sort of a promising rookie. It doesn't take fanboyism for Life to laugh....
Sure he isn't at his peek anymore, sure he might be overrated. The point is, he's still really good, and one loss against Fantasy doesn't show that "Fantasy is a better player than Life".
Nobody wrote this... I just wrote that half of the SKT1 roster would beat Life with one hand. Whats bad about little trash talking against Life fans? Srsly guys, don't take your favourite players that seriously. And if you actually though, that I think that FanTaSy is better, than Life, you must be on the internet for the first time, really...
So what youre saying is, youre just trolling?
Player/Team banter is not always serious
This. It seems like Life fans don't know, hoe to play this game T_T.
Look who's talking about how to play the game.
If you want to banter, then make it funny, good-spirited, or creative. Don't make retarded comment like calling Life a "scrub."
Just read that from the beggining, with the context...
Anyway, this is really crazy build from Dear!
Man, I wish I could lecture you on how to banter correctly, but there's no point if the grasshopper is unwilling to learn.
Yeah... I figured the old *throw hands in the air* "fuck this shit" was better
On February 26 2014 21:13 Tobblish wrote: Would be a lot more entertaining if the Collosus required some micro.
Without venturing into that 'territory' - it is kinda frustrating to watch when they just walk over the top of friendly units, behind the wall of gateway units/immortals, and then just stand there blasting shit.
Is attacking a hatchery with lots of probes worth it? I always thought a pylon, and a cannon or two was better. Cannons at about 1000 hatchery HP though so he doesn't cancel.
On February 26 2014 21:13 Pandemona wrote: Why you attacking before 3-2 Dark. WUT jesus ;_;
Because if he waits there'll be enough templars to win on their own? -_-
The build he did was based around fast +3 no? Went 14minute hive into +3 into vipers. So why not just pressure run bys and wait for the +3 to finish. Would of put him 3-2 vs 3-0. Surely would of had way better time? Would of been more storms i agree but surely wouldn't of been that critical mass. The last fight when he gg'd out was just about to finish. If he didn't force the engage at the timing he did he would of been ok/better chance?
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
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On February 26 2014 21:28 TearsOfTheSun wrote: hahaha i love when they make each other laugh so hard like tosis just did to tasteless. their friendship is really fun to see/listen to
yeah, too adorable. Their rapport is what makes them the best casting duo.
On February 26 2014 21:28 TearsOfTheSun wrote: hahaha i love when they make each other laugh so hard like tosis just did to tasteless. their friendship is really fun to see/listen to
On February 26 2014 20:44 w3c.TruE wrote: Ok, ok, i'll stop now, too much Life fanboys here, who are deluded, that he is actually good, lol.
Tell me about it
Its all rather funny, considering that Life dominated during a period when Zerg was considered extremley OP. Life Fanboys should not complain about the current state of protoss, their favourite player earned a fortune by abusing BL/Infestor.
Kinda like Mvp dominated in a period where terran was considered OP, amirite?
What is actually the most efficient way to prevent a protoss from that ramp forcefield bullshit?
- Sporecrawler at the ramp? - Probably won't help, as the protoss just can drop the units anyway. - Spinecrawler up your main? - Pretty expensive and Hatch snipe is still possible - Rush Overlords Speed+Drops? - Expensive top, but might be viable, what do you think? - Burrow+Tunneling Claws? Might be viable too, to at least get the roaches in your main, what do you think? - Play Muta every Game vs. Toss.?
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL/Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
Aren't we talking about post slayer's accomplishments? And really? does that mean Dear over Taeja for all time SC2 also? When was the last time MMA won a tournament? Taeja has been consistently one of the best players for 2 years and has had success in and out of korea (way more than MMA and just about anyone out and less in)
Ouch really bad engagement by Dark, really over-extended there. Dear looks much better now that he's made it to the late-game in a couple of these matches now. I think this is where he thrives.
On February 26 2014 21:32 reapsen wrote: What is actually the most efficient way to prevent a protoss from that ramp forcefield bullshit?
- Sporecrawler at the ramp? - Probably won't help, as the protoss just can drop the units anyway. - Spinecrawler up your main? - Pretty expensive and Hatch snipe is still possible - Rush Overlords Speed+Drops? - Expensive top, but might be viable, what do you think? - Burrow+Tunneling Claws? Might be viable too, to at least get the roaches in your main, what do you think? - Play Muta every Game vs. Toss.?
What to do?
You spot the prism coming in with an OL and then you have your army on both sides of the ramp while a queen focuses the prism. You just need a few roaches and lings to do it.
On February 26 2014 21:32 reapsen wrote: What is actually the most efficient way to prevent a protoss from that ramp forcefield bullshit?
- Sporecrawler at the ramp? - Probably won't help, as the protoss just can drop the units anyway. - Spinecrawler up your main? - Pretty expensive and Hatch snipe is still possible - Rush Overlords Speed+Drops? - Expensive top, but might be viable, what do you think? - Burrow+Tunneling Claws? Might be viable too, to at least get the roaches in your main, what do you think? - Play Muta every Game vs. Toss.?
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On February 26 2014 21:32 reapsen wrote: What is actually the most efficient way to prevent a protoss from that ramp forcefield bullshit?
- Sporecrawler at the ramp? - Probably won't help, as the protoss just can drop the units anyway. - Spinecrawler up your main? - Pretty expensive and Hatch snipe is still possible - Rush Overlords Speed+Drops? - Expensive top, but might be viable, what do you think? - Burrow+Tunneling Claws? Might be viable too, to at least get the roaches in your main, what do you think? - Play Muta every Game vs. Toss.?
What to do?
You spot the prism coming in with an OL and then you have your army on both sides of the ramp while a queen focuses the prism. You just need a few roaches and lings to do it.
Exactly this. Also, zerg never seem to get any kind of defense in their main for things like this, which every other race eventually drops a cannon or a turret/bunker to defend certain things. Zerg is just really greedy that way.
dear should've lost after that failed immortal push but dark's mistake was game changing. after that dear had an army advantage but didn't do enough to prevent dark mining on 5+ bases. also that map favours zerg engagements a lot
Would anyone be interested in doing a march madness style bracket competition once the round of 16 is finalised. If i recall the ro8 is fixed based on groups right? So winner group A plays runner up group B etc?
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
On February 26 2014 21:32 reapsen wrote: What is actually the most efficient way to prevent a protoss from that ramp forcefield bullshit?
- Sporecrawler at the ramp? - Probably won't help, as the protoss just can drop the units anyway. - Spinecrawler up your main? - Pretty expensive and Hatch snipe is still possible - Rush Overlords Speed+Drops? - Expensive top, but might be viable, what do you think? - Burrow+Tunneling Claws? Might be viable too, to at least get the roaches in your main, what do you think? - Play Muta every Game vs. Toss.?
What to do?
Go Muta or bank larva in the main for a huge round of roaches. Yes it's bullshit, but there are workarounds. I feel like stabbing my eyes with my dick whenever it happens, but the zerg has to expect it after holding off a big timing like that.
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
compared to even a foreigner dense asus rog, gsl in 2011 just doesn't compare to how good players (specially koreans) are atm. i'd say that taeja's run through dreamhack winter was way harder than any tournament MMA has ever won.
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
compared to even a foreigner dense asus rog, gsl in 2011 just doesn't compare to how good players (specially koreans) are atm. i'd say that taeja's run through dreamhack winter was way harder than any tournament MMA has ever won.
People dumb down Taeja's accomplishments because he won them in other countries, but the reality is, he was smashing everyone, two years in a row - it just happened to not physically be in Korea when he was doing it.
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On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
compared to even a foreigner dense asus rog, gsl in 2011 just doesn't compare to how good players (specially koreans) are atm. i'd say that taeja's run through dreamhack winter was way harder than any tournament MMA has ever won.
People dumb down Taeja's accomplishments because he won them in other countries, but the reality is, he was smashing everyone, two years in a row - it just happened to not physically be in Korea when he was doing it.
Also not everyone is not able to travel to every tournament. Soulkey is a prime example for this.
On February 26 2014 21:46 Dark.Carnival wrote: thank you Dear, you had me worried but you came through in the end. Now leave the foreign team and join a korean team in proleague, go!
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
That's just not true.
Obviously it's true. If you took MMAs actual skill level in late 2011 and threw him at any foreigner in 2014, he would probably get smashed hard. Compared to his peers at the time, he was obviously very strong.
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
This is so untrue its not even funny. Taeja this summer and last summer looked basically on another level than anyone else. He would just beat players without breaking a sweat. Look at his run through IPL TAC 3 in the first summer of taeja. Or Dreamhack winter this year. Hell look at his run in the last WoL GSL where he was the last terran despite the MASSIVE balance favoring zerg then.
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
This is so untrue its not even funny. Taeja this summer and last summer looked basically on another level than anyone else. He would just beat players without breaking a sweat. Look at his run through IPL TAC 3 in the first summer of taeja. Or Dreamhack winter this year. Hell look at his run in the last WoL GSL where he was the last terran despite the MASSIVE balance favoring zerg then.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
compared to even a foreigner dense asus rog, gsl in 2011 just doesn't compare to how good players (specially koreans) are atm. i'd say that taeja's run through dreamhack winter was way harder than any tournament MMA has ever won.
People dumb down Taeja's accomplishments because he won them in other countries, but the reality is, he was smashing everyone, two years in a row - it just happened to not physically be in Korea when he was doing it.
Also not everyone is not able to travel to every tournament. Soulkey is a prime example for this.
He still beat world class players at said tournaments.
I mean, youre going to have someone winning this GSL with wins over the likes of Dark, True, Myungsik, Panic, Pet.
I'm not saying the foreign tournaments don't have their share of squash matches, but people pretend the GSL doesn't either.
On February 26 2014 21:40 Lorning wrote: MMA in his prime was better than Taeja
It's safe to say that MMA is waaaay better now than he was in his prime. So no. He was a tad more dominant than taeja, but Taeja had some veeery dominant streaks as well. He also wasn't a big name in the scene when terran was pretty overpowered, while MMA and MVP rode the Terran train pretty hard.
That's just not true.
It is. Standard of play always goes up.
Well, I was talking about relative skill. Back then he was one of the best, now not anymore
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
compared to even a foreigner dense asus rog, gsl in 2011 just doesn't compare to how good players (specially koreans) are atm. i'd say that taeja's run through dreamhack winter was way harder than any tournament MMA has ever won.
People dumb down Taeja's accomplishments because he won them in other countries, but the reality is, he was smashing everyone, two years in a row - it just happened to not physically be in Korea when he was doing it.
Also not everyone is not able to travel to every tournament. Soulkey is a prime example for this.
You can't play everyone while in Korea though also. Plus he was still VERY successful his last year in Korea (by far the most consistent terran in the last year of WoL)
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Another example: Naniwa made top 8 in DH Winter 2013 and top 8 in GSL 2012. What do you think, he is more proud of?
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
On February 26 2014 21:38 KelsierSC wrote: Would anyone be interested in doing a march madness style bracket competition once the round of 16 is finalised. If i recall the ro8 is fixed based on groups right? So winner group A plays runner up group B etc?
i will have a prize for the winner
That'd be pretty fun, let me know if you figure something out i'd be interested!
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
Also, I think if there were 9 GSL's in 2013, Taeja would definitely win at least one of them.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
This is true and I think the argument Tajea has over MMA is consistency not quality of wins. Dreamhack winter was amazing and probably the hardest non WCS event that year but Code S is still code S. Taeja however has dominated two separate time spans which is something no other player has done. Plus the amount of premier tournament wins is pretty insane. This past spree by Taeja is surpassed by only MVP IIRC. Combine that with him actually being very succesful in Korea. (2 ro4s including last terran in WoL, barely was knocked out his last season in ro16 two more ro8s) he was incredibly consistent once he switched to Liquid and made a name for himself.
TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most of the tournaments he wins have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
On February 26 2014 22:00 AWalker9 wrote: TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most if the tournaments he's win have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
He's had 2 ro4 runs in GSL's, its not as though he's gate-keeping the Ro16
On February 26 2014 22:00 AWalker9 wrote: TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most if the tournaments he's win have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
He's had 2 ro4 runs in GSL's, its not as though he's gate-keeping the Ro16
After being on liquid these are his GSL results ro8 ro8 ro4 ro32 ro4 (last terran ever) ro16 (last season). He was stupidly consistent aside from one bad day.
On February 26 2014 22:00 AWalker9 wrote: TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most if the tournaments he's win have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
He's had 2 ro4 runs in GSL's, its not as though he's gate-keeping the Ro16
Yeah and notice how he got smashed in both of those RO4's
On February 26 2014 22:00 AWalker9 wrote: TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most if the tournaments he's win have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
He's had 2 ro4 runs in GSL's, its not as though he's gate-keeping the Ro16
After being on liquid these are his GSL results ro8 ro8 ro4 ro32 ro4 (last terran ever) ro16 (last season). He was stupidly consistent aside from one bad day.
He's clearly a foreigner can-crusher!
Anyway between the weird 'banter' attempt from that TruE guy, and this Taeja/MMA discussion - im tired.
Good games
Yay Life n Dear (though i think i stupidly choose Yonghwa out of Team Bias, knowing Dear would get out)
On February 26 2014 22:00 AWalker9 wrote: TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most if the tournaments he's win have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
He's had 2 ro4 runs in GSL's, its not as though he's gate-keeping the Ro16
Yeah and notice how he got smashed in both of those RO4's
One of them was against Life where until DH he has always struggled against and the other was when it was basically a miracle a terran had even made the ro4. By making the ro4 at all it kind of disproves your whole he can't do well in a preparation style tournament. He is better in the weekend ones (he honestly is probably the best player in the world at those) but he is still incredibly talented and could win a GSL for sure.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.
The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.
On February 26 2014 21:02 Lorning wrote: Dark might be the best ex-Slayers player if he goes through here
He probably already is
TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
This is true and I think the argument Tajea has over MMA is consistency not quality of wins. Dreamhack winter was amazing and probably the hardest non WCS event that year but Code S is still code S. Taeja however has dominated two separate time spans which is something no other player has done. Plus the amount of premier tournament wins is pretty insane. This past spree by Taeja is surpassed by only MVP IIRC. Combine that with him actually being very succesful in Korea. (2 ro4s including last terran in WoL, barely was knocked out his last season in ro16 two more ro8s) he was incredibly consistent once he switched to Liquid and made a name for himself.
Then the question is, how highly consistency is valued. I personally can´t put him above MMA based on consistency, when he still misses the GSL title. That being said, please note, that we are not talking about Taeja vs GSL here, we are talking about Taeja vs MMA. MMA has proven multiple times as well over the years, that he is far from being a one-hit wonder. I´m happily putting Taeja above a lot of GSL champs, but MMA is just another caliber than most of them.
On February 26 2014 22:00 AWalker9 wrote: TaeJa won't win a GSL because he's more of a weekend player than he's a preparation one. Most if the tournaments he's win have only been a couple of days long. I think he said in his Grilled interview with Thoorin that he struggles when he has to prepare for an opponent and as a result loses.
He's had 2 ro4 runs in GSL's, its not as though he's gate-keeping the Ro16
Yeah and notice how he got smashed in both of those RO4's
One of them was against Life where until DH he has always struggled against and the other was when it was basically a miracle a terran had even made the ro4. By making the ro4 at all it kind of disproves your whole he can't do well in a preparation style tournament. He is better in the weekend ones (he honestly is probably the best player in the world at those) but he is still incredibly talented and could win a GSL for sure.
Actually it kind of doesn't. Great preparation players overcome said disadvantages, Taeja never really has. He usually does well in Ro32 and Ro16 because they're more weekend-style than preparation style, and he has undeniably great raw skill that pulled him through the Ro8 both times. Back in GSL Season 4, Life completely smashed Taeja 3-0 while only barely beating Mvp 4-3, while Taeja was completely demolishing weekend tournaments and Mvp was trying to spare wrists (though he did win an IEM against foreign Zergs).
I know Mvp is probably the greatest preparation player, but that goes to show what kind of difference it could potentially make. Taeja definitely has the raw skill to do great in GSL when he's on point, but if he encounters someone who knows how to prepare and isn't too nervous I feel he would still have a very difficult time regardless.
On February 26 2014 21:03 Shellshock wrote: [quote] TaeJa
MMA, Genius, Alicia, Ryung.. CoCa
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.
The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.
This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg).
When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo)
Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_-
Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now.
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.
The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.
This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg).
When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo)
Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_-
Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now.
With regards to the preparation thing, he was the most consistent Terran of 2012 when it came to the GSL, and last year he wasn't in Korea for WCS (mostly) - so we can speculate on how he would have gone (from both sides, good or bad) - but we wont know. What he did do, was prove, against world class competition, that he can beat anyone.
Also, I personally wouldn't call Life a 'strategist', but hes won two GSL's - and I'd base that on his brute force skill and ability, with whom I draw similarities to Taeja.
One part that surprised me though, was the bolded bit above
Taeja has been the best in the world on more than one occasion, and as recent as December last year he was the best in all 3 matchups, and has also been elite in all three categories (TvZ, TvT and TvP) at different stages in his career - especially TvP and TvZ, he was a fucking maniac last year.
Also; He was in the best game of 2013, which was against Innovation, who was apparently the best player in the world, and Taeja won that game.
P.S - as I said at the start of this, I love MMA, he's one of my favourite Terrans, I'm not bagging him at all. I think people tend to easily dismiss Taeja simply because of the lack of GSL title. Yet you have other players (Seed, Jjakji, Sniper) who have won GSL's, obviously had a moment of dominance and have since disappeared and making a counter argument to the rule (exception made for Jjakji maybe as he resurfaced recently quite strong). It's definitely "THE" tournament to win in Starcraft 2, but point being that when Taeja is at his peak, he peaks hard, and it just comes across as a bit tunnel vision to not hold him in high regard because of a singular trophy. I think Taeja has proven time and time again that he is an exception to the tunnel vision rule of "if you havent won a GSL, you cant be the best" - it's not his fault Soulkey wasn't at Dreamhack winter
I do like this back and forth though! but fuck I'm tired - so peace, see you all on Friday for Zealously's favourite group of the Ro32.
What? He was unquestionably the best TvZer 6 months ago into his dreamhack run, his TvT was arguably 1st with supernova and maru, and of course his TvP was #1. I'd say he was more dominant than MMA was in his prime
On February 26 2014 21:28 bourne117 wrote: [quote] While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.
The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.
This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg).
When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo)
Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_-
Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now.
With regards to the preparation thing, he was the most consistent Terran of 2012 when it came to the GSL
Ro2 and winning one GSL is actually more consistent than what Taeja did...
MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.
Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare. I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.
On February 27 2014 01:23 ANLProbe wrote: MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.
Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare. I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.
Ah, the old 'players now are better than then so old achievements mean less'-argument. I don't think it holds up. Is Dear more impressive than Mvp because he won tournaments late 2013 compared to 2011 and early 2012? Of course not. And if you want to talk about Zerg being OP, Taeja had already fallen off by the time Zerg dominance really began to spread across all tournaments, and the next time (a year later) we could argue that he 'dominated', Zerg was hardly overpowered.
In terms of raw skill, I'll just not touch that argument. Taeja fans bring up IPL TAC and rightly so, but it's not the be all end all of achievements, especially not when much of it was played online.
On February 27 2014 01:51 Darkhorse wrote: Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.
On February 27 2014 01:51 Darkhorse wrote: Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.
Yeah I don't know why people bother discussing two players so much worse than Life, to be honest
On February 27 2014 01:23 ANLProbe wrote: MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.
Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare. I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.
Taeja never particularly dominated zergs once they reached full sync with the worst patch of all time. And his winrates (around a 67% during his GSL tenure) were inflated by less than impressive patch zergs. MMA sliced and diced the best zergs like Booby Flay while he was in his prime. His 87.6% winrate was pretty much consisted of all Code S level zergs including Nestea, DRG, and Leenock (with a sprinkle of Zenio).
In TvT they were even overall, with MMA having a seemingly more impressive hitlist.
Taeja was clearly better in TvP, especially since he had fantastic ghost usage. MMA's TvP was actually very formidable in mid-2012 though, so I wouldn't discount that as a complete loss in his favor. MMA was famously weak against P before that, but there was also the time right after the emp nerf where Taeja went full child. I still remember the iccup weekly where he met Puzzle, claimed that protoss was OP, and then played random and lost. Which was funny because he laid down an ungodly beatdown on Puzzle only a month later (with ghosts).
All in all they are very neck in neck. If we check ELO though, we can see that MMA was indeed the higher rated player... by 1 point. So how about we stop trying to burn either one of my two favorite players?
On February 27 2014 01:23 ANLProbe wrote: MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.
Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare. I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.
Taeja never particularly dominated zergs once they reached full sync with the worst patch of all time. And his winrates (around a 67% during his GSL tenure) were inflated by less than impressive patch zergs. MMA sliced and diced the best zergs like Booby Flay while he was in his prime. His 87.6% winrate was pretty much consisted of all Code S level zergs including Nestea, DRG, and Leenock (with a sprinkle of Zenio).
In TvT they were even overall, with MMA having a seemingly more impressive hitlist.
Taeja was clearly better in TvP, especially since he had fantastic ghost usage. MMA's TvP was actually very formidable in mid-2012 though, so I wouldn't discount that as a complete loss in his favor. MMA was famously weak against P before that, but there was also the time right after the emp nerf where Taeja went full child. I still remember the iccup weekly where he met Puzzle, claimed that protoss was OP, and then played random and lost. Which was funny because he laid down an ungodly beatdown on Puzzle only a month later (with ghosts).
All in all they are very neck in neck. If we check ELO though, we can see that MMA was indeed the higher rated player... by 1 point. So how about we stop trying to burn either one of my two favorite players?
were either of these players in code s 2014 season 1 - ro32 group G?
On February 27 2014 01:51 Darkhorse wrote: Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.
Yeah I don't know why people bother discussing two players so much worse than Life, to be honest
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