EPTOn February 26 2014 22:52 liberate71 wrote:
With regards to the preparation thing, he was the most consistent Terran of 2012 when it came to the GSL
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On February 26 2014 22:36 Niteblade_ wrote:
This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg).
When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo)
Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_-
Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now.
On February 26 2014 22:10 Xoronius wrote:
You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.
The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.
On February 26 2014 21:58 liberate71 wrote:
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
On February 26 2014 21:53 Xoronius wrote:
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
On February 26 2014 21:46 robson1 wrote:
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
On February 26 2014 21:39 Xoronius wrote:
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
On February 26 2014 21:34 liberate71 wrote:
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
On February 26 2014 21:31 Faruko wrote:
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
On February 26 2014 21:28 bourne117 wrote:
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While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
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While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.
In time yes...
But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player
You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.
Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.
The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.
MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.
I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.
You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.
Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!
The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.
You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.
The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.
This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg).
When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo)
Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_-
Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now.
With regards to the preparation thing, he was the most consistent Terran of 2012 when it came to the GSL
Ro2 and winning one GSL is actually more consistent than what Taeja did...
