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Kihshra
Profile Joined July 2012
178 Posts
February 26 2014 16:11 GMT
#881
On February 26 2014 22:52 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 22:36 Niteblade_ wrote:
On February 26 2014 22:10 Xoronius wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:58 liberate71 wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:53 Xoronius wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:46 robson1 wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:39 Xoronius wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:34 liberate71 wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:31 Faruko wrote:
On February 26 2014 21:28 bourne117 wrote:
[quote]
While those are still all better than Dark, lets be clear Taeja has done by FAR the most since leaving Slayers.


In time yes...

But MMA won a GSL & Blizzcup, that immediately puts him above any other player


You cant be serious, Taeja would be more successful than MMA, and I love MMA.

Easily more accomplished? Idk, Taeja has not won a GSL/Blizzcup/WCS Kor yet. He won more tournaments than MMA and even though they are premiers, they are no GSL´s. Nerchio has won a lot more tournaments than Taeja as well (mostly Zotacs) and I guess we can all agree on Taeja being more accomplished than Nerchio. Add to that, that MMA has won MLG/Iron Squid/IEM/WCS as well and is ahead on the money rankings, I don´t really see Taeja ahead anymore.


The Tournaments Taeja won since 2012 were some of the hardest in the world. Dreamhack Winter he beat: Innovation, sOs, ForGG, Patience, MMA, Life and Life again.

MMA in his Code S run beat: Keen, Nada, lost to Nestea, asd, Clide, Happy and MVP.

I wouldn't say his Code S run is worth more than Taejas run.

You can not simply compare tournaments in two different eras by listing the names in them. Fact is in 2011 GSL 2011 was the hardest tournament in thw wolrd and in 2013 the 2013 GSL was harder than DH Winter. If you look at who was´nt at DH, there is RorO, Soulkey, PartinG, Rain, Jjakji, Dear, Bomber, ..... When MMA won the GSL, the entire world calss was there and he emerged victorious.

Meanwhile at topic: Good job Dear!


The game is more difficult now than it was in 2011, and I think its safe to say Dreamhack Winter was one of the most stacked tournaments of 2013.


You´re avoiding my point. Was it one of the most stacked tournaments in 2013? Yes. Was in the hardest DH ever? Probably (Buchrest was also pretty crazy this season). Was it as hard as 2013 GSL? No.

The game evoloves. That´s just what sports do. Matti Nykänen set the Ski-jumping world record with 182m in 1984. In Vikersund/Planica today, that might not be enough to get into the top 30. Are all the currents worlds top 30 better Skijumpers than Matti Nykänen? Absolutely not! Ralph Craig won an olympic gold medal in 100m-sprinting in 10.8 seconds back in 1912. 100 years later, the same time would have been eliminated in round 1. Are all the people today better sprinters than him? No.


This. During mma's prime, he was unquestionably the best TvZ player in the world. Only drg could compete (and still lost more often than no). In TvT it was much the same (he lost a bit more there) but I would still say top 3. He won 2(?) gal (maybe one was that blitz cup) and a couple foreign tourneys. At the time, he was playing the best there was and winning (dominating vs zerg).

When can that be said of taeja? Yes he is one hell of a player, but was there ever a time period where he was the best at something? He wins lots of stacked tournaments, but I've never seen him beat the best players. Just a collection of 5-through-20. Which is still an impressive feat for sure. I won't take that away. And has he shown to be more consistent than mma? Fuck yes. But he doesn't stand up to mma in his prime (imo)

Ps sorry for any bad grammar, from phone -_-

Pss glad dear made it through, I've almost given up on him since mouz XD. He's a shadow of his former self atm. Also nice to see life back in r16,well see if he can make someone of it now.


With regards to the preparation thing, he was the most consistent Terran of 2012 when it came to the GSL

Ro2 and winning one GSL is actually more consistent than what Taeja did...
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
February 26 2014 16:22 GMT
#882
Yeah Life! Was hoping for Dark or Yonghwa but w/e as long as Life got through I'm a happy guy
Hwang Kang Hooooooooooo. Follow mah boy Shellshock @Shellshock1122
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
February 26 2014 16:23 GMT
#883
MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.

Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare.
I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.
Go TAEJA
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2014 16:34 GMT
#884
On February 27 2014 01:23 ANLProbe wrote:
MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.

Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare.
I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.


Ah, the old 'players now are better than then so old achievements mean less'-argument. I don't think it holds up. Is Dear more impressive than Mvp because he won tournaments late 2013 compared to 2011 and early 2012? Of course not. And if you want to talk about Zerg being OP, Taeja had already fallen off by the time Zerg dominance really began to spread across all tournaments, and the next time (a year later) we could argue that he 'dominated', Zerg was hardly overpowered.

In terms of raw skill, I'll just not touch that argument. Taeja fans bring up IPL TAC and rightly so, but it's not the be all end all of achievements, especially not when much of it was played online.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
February 26 2014 16:51 GMT
#885
Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2014 16:54 GMT
#886
On February 27 2014 01:51 Darkhorse wrote:
Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.


I'm glad someone said this
Zerg for Life
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2014 16:55 GMT
#887
On February 27 2014 01:51 Darkhorse wrote:
Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.


Yeah I don't know why people bother discussing two players so much worse than Life, to be honest
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
February 26 2014 17:03 GMT
#888
Can we discuss San then?
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
February 26 2014 17:04 GMT
#889
On February 27 2014 02:03 Shellshock wrote:
Can we discuss San then?

The guy that pylon blocked his own nexus?
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-26 17:10:34
February 26 2014 17:08 GMT
#890
On February 27 2014 01:23 ANLProbe wrote:
MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.

Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare.
I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.

Taeja never particularly dominated zergs once they reached full sync with the worst patch of all time. And his winrates (around a 67% during his GSL tenure) were inflated by less than impressive patch zergs. MMA sliced and diced the best zergs like Booby Flay while he was in his prime. His 87.6% winrate was pretty much consisted of all Code S level zergs including Nestea, DRG, and Leenock (with a sprinkle of Zenio).

In TvT they were even overall, with MMA having a seemingly more impressive hitlist.

Taeja was clearly better in TvP, especially since he had fantastic ghost usage. MMA's TvP was actually very formidable in mid-2012 though, so I wouldn't discount that as a complete loss in his favor. MMA was famously weak against P before that, but there was also the time right after the emp nerf where Taeja went full child. I still remember the iccup weekly where he met Puzzle, claimed that protoss was OP, and then played random and lost. Which was funny because he laid down an ungodly beatdown on Puzzle only a month later (with ghosts).

All in all they are very neck in neck. If we check ELO though, we can see that MMA was indeed the higher rated player... by 1 point. So how about we stop trying to burn either one of my two favorite players?
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
February 26 2014 17:13 GMT
#891
On February 27 2014 02:08 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 01:23 ANLProbe wrote:
MMA won when Terran was OP, the quality of players was weak compared to now and nearly every game MMA played in GSL was a TvT. MMA also only dominated before the Kespa switch. Whereas Taeja dominated when Zerg was OP with a win rate of 80% in TvZ.

Raw skillwise, I think Taeja is probably the best player in the world, but he performs much better when he doesn't have to prepare.
I'd love to see MMA almost win an entire Team league against all the top korean teams almost by himself like Taeja did.

Taeja never particularly dominated zergs once they reached full sync with the worst patch of all time. And his winrates (around a 67% during his GSL tenure) were inflated by less than impressive patch zergs. MMA sliced and diced the best zergs like Booby Flay while he was in his prime. His 87.6% winrate was pretty much consisted of all Code S level zergs including Nestea, DRG, and Leenock (with a sprinkle of Zenio).

In TvT they were even overall, with MMA having a seemingly more impressive hitlist.

Taeja was clearly better in TvP, especially since he had fantastic ghost usage. MMA's TvP was actually very formidable in mid-2012 though, so I wouldn't discount that as a complete loss in his favor. MMA was famously weak against P before that, but there was also the time right after the emp nerf where Taeja went full child. I still remember the iccup weekly where he met Puzzle, claimed that protoss was OP, and then played random and lost. Which was funny because he laid down an ungodly beatdown on Puzzle only a month later (with ghosts).

All in all they are very neck in neck. If we check ELO though, we can see that MMA was indeed the higher rated player... by 1 point. So how about we stop trying to burn either one of my two favorite players?


were either of these players in code s 2014 season 1 - ro32 group G?
Zerg for Life
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
February 26 2014 17:13 GMT
#892
On February 27 2014 02:04 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 02:03 Shellshock wrote:
Can we discuss San then?

The guy that pylon blocked his own nexus?

No, the guy who got Khaydarin Amulet removed.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
February 26 2014 17:13 GMT
#893
On February 27 2014 02:03 Shellshock wrote:
Can we discuss San then?

artosis still has a sword to swellow
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
February 26 2014 17:26 GMT
#894
On February 27 2014 01:55 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 01:51 Darkhorse wrote:
Having an MMA/Taeja argument in a Code S thread not involving either of those players is pretty dumb anyway.


Yeah I don't know why people bother discussing two players so much worse than Life, to be honest

I was really hoping someone would say this.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3837 Posts
February 26 2014 19:45 GMT
#895
wax you fool
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
scr
Profile Joined May 2011
Hungary1025 Posts
February 26 2014 22:56 GMT
#896
On February 27 2014 02:03 Shellshock wrote:
Can we discuss San then?


so mean
Try again, fail better.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
February 26 2014 23:13 GMT
#897
On February 27 2014 02:03 Shellshock wrote:
Can we discuss San then?


When he has a GSL trophy or three
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
February 27 2014 01:13 GMT
#898
On February 27 2014 08:13 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 02:03 Shellshock wrote:
Can we discuss San then?


When he has a GSL trophy or three

So, how about that Roro then?
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