• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:25
CEST 14:25
KST 21:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202520Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder2EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced35BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins EWC 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Help: rep cant save Shield Battery Server New Patch [G] Progamer Settings StarCraft & BroodWar Campaign Speedrun Quest
Tourneys
[BSL] Non-Korean Championship - Final weekend [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Flash @ Namkraft Laddernet …
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 596 users

[WCS AM] Challenger Day 4 Season 1 2014 - Page 25

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 55 Next
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 30 2014 02:42 GMT
#481
On January 30 2014 11:41 Waise wrote:
wow, i missed something here. how did drunkenboi fall so far behind after killing the zerg 4th and 12 drones? was it all that big engagement in the midgame? was it drunkenboi's hellion/marauder opening?


He let mutas kill his 4th 3-4 times.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-30 02:44:26
January 30 2014 02:43 GMT
#482
On January 30 2014 11:41 packrat386 wrote:
I feel like terrans ought to mix tanks back into their army lategame. The widow mines just can't deal with the banes as well.

then zerg just sends the muta pack and waits for the marines to get out of position to snipe the tanks. if the marines don't move out, you're containing their army. if the army unsieges, you go for an engagement. terrans were absolutely experimenting with bio mine tank after the patch, i saw korean terrans do it on stream a lot and they all commented that it wasn't very good

On January 30 2014 11:42 Mozdk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:41 Waise wrote:
wow, i missed something here. how did drunkenboi fall so far behind after killing the zerg 4th and 12 drones? was it all that big engagement in the midgame? was it drunkenboi's hellion/marauder opening?


He let mutas kill his 4th 3-4 times.

so just bad map awareness overall? bad expansion location? really seemed like dboi should have been able to take that game with the upgrade lead
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
January 30 2014 02:43 GMT
#483
I really enjoy watching war of attrition type ZvTs. Lots of attacks and counterattacks. Makes for long yet interesting games.
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 02:44 GMT
#484
Really think you have to get a few thors in. They are good at killing mutas and are pretty good buffers to split behind.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
January 30 2014 02:45 GMT
#485
On January 30 2014 11:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Really think you have to get a few thors in. They are good at killing mutas and are pretty good buffers to split behind.


He made one (or two?) but had them too far in front of his army and they got picked apart by lings before they could do anything.
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 30 2014 02:45 GMT
#486
WCS America: Challenger League

(T)Drunkenboi vs (Z)Toodming
1-2


Map: Alterzim Stronghold


Toodming spawns in the top left
Drunkenboi spawns in the bottom right
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 02:46 GMT
#487
On January 30 2014 11:45 jakethesnake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Really think you have to get a few thors in. They are good at killing mutas and are pretty good buffers to split behind.


He made one (or two?) but had them too far in front of his army and they got picked apart by lings before they could do anything.

Why are you so good at liquibets?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 30 2014 02:47 GMT
#488
On January 30 2014 11:46 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:45 jakethesnake wrote:
On January 30 2014 11:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Really think you have to get a few thors in. They are good at killing mutas and are pretty good buffers to split behind.


He made one (or two?) but had them too far in front of his army and they got picked apart by lings before they could do anything.

Why are you so good at liquibets?

I'm #26, soon I will beat him!
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
January 30 2014 02:47 GMT
#489
On January 30 2014 11:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Really think you have to get a few thors in. They are good at killing mutas and are pretty good buffers to split behind.

thors can be good but i feel like they make the bio army a lot heavier. it's a strong army, but they're slow and require marine support, i can definitely see why some terrans don't want to sacrifice any of the mobility of bio
jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
January 30 2014 02:48 GMT
#490
On January 30 2014 11:46 Darkhoarse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:45 jakethesnake wrote:
On January 30 2014 11:44 Darkhoarse wrote:
Really think you have to get a few thors in. They are good at killing mutas and are pretty good buffers to split behind.


He made one (or two?) but had them too far in front of his army and they got picked apart by lings before they could do anything.

Why are you so good at liquibets?


Being emotionally detached (even though it hurt everytime I voted for IM losing), taking some calculated risks, voting against Terran..

but mostly luck.
Community Newsjjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji || jjakji nshoseo.jpg
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 30 2014 02:49 GMT
#491
On January 30 2014 11:45 The_Templar wrote:
WCS America: Challenger League

(T)Drunkenboi vs (Z)Toodming
1-2


Map: Alterzim Stronghold


Toodming spawns in the top left
Drunkenboi spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first from Toodming.
CC first at the natural from Drunkenboi.

3:00
Barracks from Drunkenboi.
Toodming getting zerglings and queens but no extractors yet.

4:00
Factory from Drunkenboi.

5:00
Drunkenboi getting a third CC.
Reactored hellions on the way.
Toodming getting three extractors.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 30 2014 02:51 GMT
#492
I like how Toodming is so meticulous about creep spread
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
RatzBarcode
Profile Joined December 2013
United States98 Posts
January 30 2014 02:51 GMT
#493
Bitter, he tricked you. Even plus even is even, odd plus odd is even. Right? Or is one odd and one even twice as likely, making it fifty fifty?
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 30 2014 02:52 GMT
#494
On January 30 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:45 The_Templar wrote:
WCS America: Challenger League

(T)Drunkenboi vs (Z)Toodming
1-2


Map: Alterzim Stronghold


Toodming spawns in the top left
Drunkenboi spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first from Toodming.
CC first at the natural from Drunkenboi.

3:00
Barracks from Drunkenboi.
Toodming getting zerglings and queens but no extractors yet.

4:00
Factory from Drunkenboi.

5:00
Drunkenboi getting a third CC.
Reactored hellions on the way.
Toodming getting three extractors.

6:00 (T)Drunkenboi 46 vs (Z)Toodming 56
Third hatchery for Toodming.
Two more barracks for Drunkenboi.
Zergling speed and overlord speed on the way.

7:00 (T)Drunkenboi 56 vs (Z)Toodming 62
Double evolution chamber vs double engineering bay.
Drunkenboi half done with stim packs.
Starport for Drunkenboi.

8:00 (T)Drunkenboi 61 vs (Z)Toodming 69
Overlord scouts Drunkenboi's main but dies.
Lair and a baneling nest for Toodming.
Drunkenboi taking his third base.
+1/1 for both players.
Hellions not yet active on the map, no hellions in production.

9:00 (T)Drunkenboi 80 vs (Z)Toodming 90
Fourth hatchery for Toodming.
Toodming clearing rocks near his fourth but hellions get into th his third and he has to pull them back.
Spire for Toodming.
Some spore crawlers are being made.

10:00 (T)Drunkenboi 108 vs (Z)Toodming 105
Toodming building a ton of drones.
Drunkenboi pushing with hellions and marines.
Hellions killing banelings but speedlings are being built in mass.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 02:53 GMT
#495
Uh oh University wifi don't fail me now.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
January 30 2014 02:55 GMT
#496
"rolling a very loaded dice" not sure about that for multiple reasons lol
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
January 30 2014 02:57 GMT
#497
On January 30 2014 11:52 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 11:49 The_Templar wrote:
On January 30 2014 11:45 The_Templar wrote:
WCS America: Challenger League

(T)Drunkenboi vs (Z)Toodming
1-2


Map: Alterzim Stronghold


Toodming spawns in the top left
Drunkenboi spawns in the bottom right

2:00
Hatchery first from Toodming.
CC first at the natural from Drunkenboi.

3:00
Barracks from Drunkenboi.
Toodming getting zerglings and queens but no extractors yet.

4:00
Factory from Drunkenboi.

5:00
Drunkenboi getting a third CC.
Reactored hellions on the way.
Toodming getting three extractors.

6:00 (T)Drunkenboi 46 vs (Z)Toodming 56
Third hatchery for Toodming.
Two more barracks for Drunkenboi.
Zergling speed and overlord speed on the way.

7:00 (T)Drunkenboi 56 vs (Z)Toodming 62
Double evolution chamber vs double engineering bay.
Drunkenboi half done with stim packs.
Starport for Drunkenboi.

8:00 (T)Drunkenboi 61 vs (Z)Toodming 69
Overlord scouts Drunkenboi's main but dies.
Lair and a baneling nest for Toodming.
Drunkenboi taking his third base.
+1/1 for both players.
Hellions not yet active on the map, no hellions in production.

9:00 (T)Drunkenboi 80 vs (Z)Toodming 90
Fourth hatchery for Toodming.
Toodming clearing rocks near his fourth but hellions get into th his third and he has to pull them back.
Spire for Toodming.
Some spore crawlers are being made.

10:00 (T)Drunkenboi 108 vs (Z)Toodming 105
Toodming building a ton of drones.
Drunkenboi pushing with hellions and marines.
Hellions killing banelings but speedlings are being built in mass.

11:00 (T)Drunkenboi 128 vs (Z)Toodming 135
2/2 for Drunkenboi.
2/2 for Toodming.
Marines pressure the fourth but banelings easily dispatch of it.

12:00 (T)Drunkenboi 140 vs (Z)Toodming 136
Toodming has 77 drones.
11 more drones on the ay.
More marines moving into the fourth base as Drunkenboi attacks the third base.
Banelings make huge connection due to a lack of splits.

13:00 (T)Drunkenboi 140 vs (Z)Toodming 145
+1 air attack for Toodming.
Another CC on the way for Drunkenboi.
Another factory on the way.
Infestation pit on the way for Toodming.

14:00 (T)Drunkenboi 159 vs (Z)Toodming 169
Double drop on the zerg is spotted by an overlord.
Another push through the center is occurring.

15:00 (T)Drunkenboi 169 vs (Z)Toodming 194
Hive on the way.
Toodming overwhelms the army of Drunkenboi.
Drunkenboi pressures the 4th base and picks back up but the medivacs both die.

16:00 (T)Drunkenboi 167 vs (Z)Toodming 197
Thors being built by drunkenboi.
Two more bases for Toodming.
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
January 30 2014 02:57 GMT
#498
Can you say something is "very decent"? seems like decent isn't really modifiable.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 30 2014 02:57 GMT
#499
On January 30 2014 11:57 Darkhoarse wrote:
Can you say something is "very decent"? seems like decent isn't really modifiable.


It is in America
Moderator
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
January 30 2014 02:57 GMT
#500
On January 30 2014 11:51 RatzBarcode wrote:
Bitter, he tricked you. Even plus even is even, odd plus odd is even. Right? Or is one odd and one even twice as likely, making it fifty fifty?


It is 50/50

Even = E, Uneven = U

The first number can be E og U. So every time it is E the next has to be U = 50%. Every time it is U the other one has to be E... Again = 50%.


This is given that E and U are equally likely. Which they are probably not, but in long games (which this map is prone to), something always gets cancelled. So it should be very close to 50/50
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Prev 1 23 24 25 26 27 55 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 464
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29740
Horang2 3580
Flash 1390
Bisu 1364
Jaedong 990
Hyun 972
Barracks 748
EffOrt 693
Soulkey 360
Larva 305
[ Show more ]
actioN 303
Mini 279
Killer 198
Last 196
Zeus 128
GuemChi 114
ToSsGirL 109
Backho 98
Snow 96
ZerO 92
JYJ74
Leta 71
Rush 49
Sharp 39
Movie 34
sorry 32
sas.Sziky 31
sSak 29
Sacsri 28
zelot 25
yabsab 23
Noble 19
Shinee 18
Icarus 17
Hm[arnc] 14
[sc1f]eonzerg 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 10
Aegong 4
Terrorterran 2
Dota 2
Gorgc3220
qojqva560
BananaSlamJamma280
XcaliburYe189
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2184
x6flipin711
kRYSTAL_5
Other Games
singsing2180
B2W.Neo935
DeMusliM345
Fuzer 341
hiko241
ToD118
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 77
• davetesta53
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis1208
• Jankos748
Other Games
• WagamamaTV236
Upcoming Events
OSC
5m
CranKy Ducklings19
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3h 35m
The PondCast
21h 35m
Online Event
1d 3h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Mihu vs QiaoGege
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs TBD
Online Event
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4 days
Bonyth vs TBD
[ Show More ]
OSC
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
Yuqilin POB S2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.