On January 26 2014 18:40 Tchado wrote: the hell is this ? no terrans ? and only 1 next match ? cant blame them I guess.
Only Maru this week at all. Tbh Samsung doesnt really have a must play Terran anyway.
Yeah I believe that they have not even sent another terran except Reality this round.
Well the only other terran they have is Turn and I don't really blame them for not playing him. He hasn't done too well in sc2 besides randomly beating Innovation one time and then getting into Code A once
When I have to play games like this as P, it's really enraging. Well played by Shine, really nice how he uses the roaches to distract SangHo all the time.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It helps a bit, but if a Zerg is playing this style well ,there'll be around 20 spores where the Swarm Hosts are. Also Vipers. You wont get killed as easily, but you wont be able to kill him either
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It helps a bit, but if a Zerg is playing this style well ,there'll be around 20 spores where the Swarm Hosts are. Also Vipers. You wont get killed as easily, but you wont be able to kill him either
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It helps a bit, but if a Zerg is playing this style well ,there'll be around 20 spores where the Swarm Hosts are. Also Vipers. You wont get killed as easily, but you wont be able to kill him either
On January 26 2014 19:10 WGT-Baal wrote: My stream just repeated the same sequence, bug in the matrix?
Happens when you are on "auto quality" on youtube
On January 26 2014 19:11 NovaMB wrote:
On January 26 2014 19:10 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It helps a bit, but if a Zerg is playing this style well ,there'll be around 20 spores where the Swarm Hosts are. Also Vipers. You wont get killed as easily, but you wont be able to kill him either
Vipers can abduct mothership ?
Unfortunately yes
Dunno why i thought you couldn't. And what about trying to clear creep against swarmhost ? does that not help as well ? I don't see many protoss doing that.
On January 26 2014 19:10 WGT-Baal wrote: My stream just repeated the same sequence, bug in the matrix?
Happens when you are on "auto quality" on youtube
On January 26 2014 19:11 NovaMB wrote:
On January 26 2014 19:10 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It helps a bit, but if a Zerg is playing this style well ,there'll be around 20 spores where the Swarm Hosts are. Also Vipers. You wont get killed as easily, but you wont be able to kill him either
Vipers can abduct mothership ?
Unfortunately yes
Dunno why i thought you couldn't. And what about trying to clear creep against swarmhost ? does that not help as well ? I don't see many protoss doing that.
Its difficult to move into creep with your army, with all the static defense on the edge of it, and Locusts coming at you. You'd have to get past a wall of spores first before you can do anything.
On January 26 2014 19:10 WGT-Baal wrote: My stream just repeated the same sequence, bug in the matrix?
Happens when you are on "auto quality" on youtube
On January 26 2014 19:11 NovaMB wrote:
On January 26 2014 19:10 FFW_Rude wrote:
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It helps a bit, but if a Zerg is playing this style well ,there'll be around 20 spores where the Swarm Hosts are. Also Vipers. You wont get killed as easily, but you wont be able to kill him either
Vipers can abduct mothership ?
Unfortunately yes
Dunno why i thought you couldn't. And what about trying to clear creep against swarmhost ? does that not help as well ? I don't see many protoss doing that.
Its difficult to move into creep with your army, with all the static defense on the edge of it, and Locusts coming at you. You'd have to get past a wall of spores first before you can do anything.
Even if you try to clear creep on the side where the swarmhost aren't ? To prevent them from switch path sides ?
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
Ah ok. Because i really have no clue how to deal with that many SH as P.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
Ah ok. Because i really have no clue how to deal with that many SH as P.
That and i believe (I may be wrong) it no longer has vortex.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
Ah ok. Because i really have no clue how to deal with that many SH as P.
That and i believe (I may be wrong) it no longer has vortex.
Yeah. Would be cool if it still had been but at been tweeked.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
Ah ok. Because i really have no clue how to deal with that many SH as P.
Best option I have seen was mass Carrier/Void Rays. And take the entire map.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
Ah ok. Because i really have no clue how to deal with that many SH as P.
Best option I have seen was mass Carrier/Void Rays. And take the entire map.
I don't like mass Carrier, because they are easier to abduct then Tempest, they deal great damage but I'm not sure how the hell you're supposed to keep them alive.
On January 26 2014 19:09 Sakkreth wrote: Samsung smart move to send all zerg lineup vs MVP, they clearly figured out that swarmhost kinda good in zvp ^^
I don't know why protoss doesn't go mothership in late game. I saw quite good game games with it when cloacking and advandcing through locust with the cloak
It delays protoss death by some, you don't really move too much with it, take less dmg from locusts, but still can't deal enough damage to trade even close.
Ah ok. Because i really have no clue how to deal with that many SH as P.
Best option I have seen was mass Carrier/Void Rays. And take the entire map.
I don't like mass Carrier, because they are easier to abduct then Tempest, they deal great damage but I'm not sure how the hell you're supposed to keep them alive.
Yeah, I'm no pro and certainly not a Protoss, but I would put high Templars into Warp Prisms for feedback drops.
On January 26 2014 19:19 Sakkreth wrote: That defense vs phoenix was..... BAD.
How do you deal with this ideally ?
Well first you don't donate tons of overlords, keep ur queens in range of spores and then there is not much he can do, putting up 2 spores per base is really worth it, by doing that u lose almost nothing and can play greedy as protoss won't have too much chance to be aggressive with phoenix investment.
On January 26 2014 19:19 Sakkreth wrote: That defense vs phoenix was..... BAD.
How do you deal with this ideally ?
Well first you don't donate tons of overlords, keep ur queens in range of spores and then there is not much he can do, putting up 2 spores per base is really worth it, by doing that u lose almost nothing and can play greedy as protoss won't have too much chance to be aggressive with phoenix investment.
So queen in mineral lines. 2spores at each extremity like 3 squares from gaz behind minerals as well ?
On January 26 2014 19:19 Sakkreth wrote: That defense vs phoenix was..... BAD.
How do you deal with this ideally ?
Scout the zealots and build a few roaches. Maybe a second spore to relocate to the place where the fighting takes place imo.
Yeah but how do you prevent phenix to do so much damage ? I'm always kind of lost with phenix openings
Its just a matter of changing all your ralies once you see the first phoenix, put queens next to spores, rally overlords to spores, pull back all overlords on the map etc. Its not the easiest of things to do though, because you'll have army rallied to one place and you'll have to manually re-rally your overlords to safety, but its still very much doable.
On January 26 2014 19:19 Sakkreth wrote: That defense vs phoenix was..... BAD.
How do you deal with this ideally ?
Scout the zealots and build a few roaches. Maybe a second spore to relocate to the place where the fighting takes place imo.
Yeah but how do you prevent phenix to do so much damage ? I'm always kind of lost with phenix openings
Its just a matter of changing all your ralies once you see the first phoenix, put queens next to spores, rally overlords to spores, pull back all overlords on the map etc. Its not the easiest of things to do though, because you'll have army rallied to one place and you'll have to manually re-rally your overlords to safety, but its still very much doable.
It always pains me to see roaches dance at the back contributing nothing to the DPS of the army. Thats one thing Stephano did really well, maximized the DPS of his roaches at all times.
On January 26 2014 19:32 burzumbu wrote: there should be some rule that says you have to use all three races in PL
Why ?
So we can have some healthy variety of race showing and a lot more MUs to watch consistently.
It's like saying that in soccer you would have to switch players to see them all fielded so you can have a variety of players. The goal is to win. They have 3 protoss to face so they have to all practice the same MU. I think it's quite smart.
On January 26 2014 19:32 burzumbu wrote: there should be some rule that says you have to use all three races in PL
Why ?
because this makes no sense, what is the message? terran is too weak uninteresting to use it in PL?
:p
Proleague in SC2 has always been very Toss heavy - even before they started winning stuff regularly. No idea why, Koreans probably just like shiny things I guess.
On January 26 2014 19:32 burzumbu wrote: there should be some rule that says you have to use all three races in PL
It'd be nice to see more match-up diversity, but a rule like that is hard to pull of with just a Bo5.
They used to have this rule in pl.
Also that yes. Some teams have strong protoss/zerg and weaker terrans player. A rule like that would be detrimental to some team. Like KT would have to field a zerg each time and they have 2 good terrans and 2 good protoss.
RorO why you hate me? But seriusly I haven't done any trades yet, is there (and is it worth it at this stage) to do some trading damage control when it comes to him? And a second question while I'm at it: does new round = new squad?
On January 26 2014 19:42 McRatyn wrote: RorO why you hate me? But seriusly I haven't done any trades yet, is there (and is it worth it at this stage) to do some trading damage control when it comes to him? And a second question while I'm at it: does new round = new squad?
No trades this round, since it's almost over. You pick new team for each round, I believe it's mentioned in FPL post.
On January 26 2014 19:40 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why players don't close the gap to have all their roaches fight
you know that this help your opponent too? Player with better positioning shouldnt do this, Player with worse positioning should try this intelligently.
On January 26 2014 19:40 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why players don't close the gap to have all their roaches fight
you know that this help your opponent too? Player with better positioning shouldnt do this, Player with worse positioning should try this intelligently.
Yep but shine had so much roaches in the back doing nothing while roro had a concave and had all of his own roach hitting shine's
On January 26 2014 19:40 FFW_Rude wrote: I don't get why players don't close the gap to have all their roaches fight
you know that this help your opponent too? Player with better positioning shouldnt do this, Player with worse positioning should try this intelligently.
Yep but shine had so much roaches in the back doing nothing while roro had a concave and had all of his own roach hitting shine's
Also Shine had the upgrade advantage in the beginning, so he wanted to have all his roaches firing to maximize the effect.
That was a really well played game, he managed to understand exactly what the protoss was doing and played greedy with only a few slowlings, super late gas/RW, lair first and a really good finishing move! Well time to rush to the grocery store, see you in the other thread in a while :D
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