On January 22 2014 18:11 Pandemona wrote: So......lets see if Zest can win in a straight up game now.
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Is this not a straight up game? What exactly is wrong with winning when someone does something that is too greedy?
If starcraft was 15 min no attack Zerg would win every single game.
this is where you are wrong
Ok they wouldn't win a PvT...
What hinders you from taking expansions as fast as Zerg if Zerg must not attack them... I mean, 14Nexus, 15Nexus, 16Nexus... You'll be maxed with whatever you want/need at 15mins.
Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on.
which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario.
Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid?
wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S
My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense.
Actually in 15 minute no fight game zerg will lose to both protoss and terran. You can supply depot/pylon all the expansions so he cannot expand for 15 minutes and he can't kill them off.
On January 22 2014 18:15 ETisME wrote: [quote] this is where you are wrong
Ok they wouldn't win a PvT...
What hinders you from taking expansions as fast as Zerg if Zerg must not attack them... I mean, 14Nexus, 15Nexus, 16Nexus... You'll be maxed with whatever you want/need at 15mins.
Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on.
which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario.
Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid?
wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S
My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense.
"meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones." That is not "If starcraft was 15 min no attack "
argument completely invalid, sorry
So two things that are not exactly the same are not comparable? Are you listening to yourself?
No, two things that are completely different are not comparable.
Well 2 PvPs is probably best shot Stork will get to advance, dont think he could get past the good Terrans/Zergs. But with how many Ps are already in Code S, he might have another shot at PvP next season if he doesnt make it
On January 22 2014 18:15 ETisME wrote: [quote] this is where you are wrong
Ok they wouldn't win a PvT...
What hinders you from taking expansions as fast as Zerg if Zerg must not attack them... I mean, 14Nexus, 15Nexus, 16Nexus... You'll be maxed with whatever you want/need at 15mins.
Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on.
which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario.
Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid?
wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S
My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense.
"meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones." That is not "If starcraft was 15 min no attack "
argument completely invalid, sorry
So two things that are not exactly the same are not comparable? Are you listening to yourself?
Is it really that hard to understand?? If both races can just play greedy as fuck the first few minutes cause you don't need any army to defend, yes, then it is not comparable at all to the current situation where only zerg doesn't build any army if they don't need to. Gosh -.-
game is just broken imo...toss can open with oracle and inflicts small dmg but still able to transition into macro/sick tech. It is just too difficult for T to win vs P atm.
Is this not a straight up game? What exactly is wrong with winning when someone does something that is too greedy?
If starcraft was 15 min no attack Zerg would win every single game.
this is where you are wrong
Ok they wouldn't win a PvT...
What hinders you from taking expansions as fast as Zerg if Zerg must not attack them... I mean, 14Nexus, 15Nexus, 16Nexus... You'll be maxed with whatever you want/need at 15mins.
Not about maxing fastest. It's about zerg hitting 80 drones way before. Meaning more money, meaning better army, remax and so on.
which isn't true. You can do the math. Hell, with the existence of mules (and my extreme experiements with 4-5CC builds in WoL) it's rather so that Zerg is economically behind Terran in such a scenario.
Ok I guess you just broke the meta where TERRAN AND PROTOSS have to preasure zerg to keep them from making drones. Are you really that stupid?
wow don't go to personal insult if you lose an argument. You said zerg would win every single game if it was a 15mins no attack game and you can't even provide any counter argument except going back to the actual starcraft game where there is attack before 15mins. :S
My argument is completely valid. You're not making sense.
Actually in 15 minute no fight game zerg will lose to both protoss and terran. You can supply depot/pylon all the expansions so he cannot expand for 15 minutes and he can't kill them off.
haha, lol. didn't think of that, that's a really creative idea. Though I guess Zerg could react by spreading drones over the map once he has 300minerals. Would still not get many expansion like that and lose a lot of early income.
On January 22 2014 18:35 FatCat_13 wrote: At work thus not able to watch. Zest KO-ed Inno?
1st game reaper expand into stim +1 vs 1gate expand into blink kills 40 SCVs then kills innovation after 2nd game, 15CC 3rax vs proxy stargate, 3SCV dies from 2 oracles. Into storm +2 armor timing which inno was in control of until the late game when he couldn't stop the 3rd going down. Turns into silly game where buildings flying around due to innovation army and zest army passed eachother and killed eachother base. Zest saved probes and army better and wins.
EPT
