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On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want.
i disagree...
of course theyll both make a 100k a year for 35 years playing sc... ( sarcasm )
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Bitcoin is now the perfect example of the oft-quoted term "e-sports dollars". 
Still going to be an awesome match, even if the prize money is like 8 dollars by the 21st.
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On December 19 2013 03:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want. i disagree... of course theyll both make a 100k a year for 35 years playing sc... ( sarcasm )
Your disagreement has no bearing on the fact that neither of them need the money.
No one is going to play this game for 35 years, or be in Esports for that long. They will move on, get regular jobs and support themselves that way. No one but an idiot would expect to live off of Esports earnings for 35 years.
No one with any sensible lifestyle needs more than 50-60k a year. Want more, to buy expensive shit? Sure. But need? No. If you have food to eat, clothes to wear and a place to live, with some money to spare for hobbies and savings, you don't need more.
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On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want.
What a socialist way of viewing things. Is there a certain time needed between income before income becomes "needed"? Are people supposed to be careful to not put save too much money at the time?
A guy who made 20k last week could definitely use another 12k, especially if the industry he's in is as instable as esports.
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Are you guys purposely trying to make this 50% each on the poll? 
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Unfortunately due to circumstances outside of their control, Bitcoinmagazine has been forced to reduce their pledge to 0.75 BTC.
However, we are happy to announce that due to generous donations from users of http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin - we have been able to raise the overall prizepool to 14BTC. This will hopefully compensate somewhat for the recent drop in Bitcoin value, which should hopefully rally by the time the showmatch begins.
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On December 19 2013 04:40 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want. What a socialist way of viewing things. Is there a certain time needed between income before income becomes "needed"? Are people supposed to be careful to not put save too much money at the time? A guy who made 20k last week could definitely use another 12k, especially if the industry he's in is as instable as esports.
I can't believe I have to go spell this out. How do you read what I wrote and extrapolate that? It's not even a strawman, it's just making shit up.
Need: I need this money to sustain myself.
Want: I want this money to buy stuff for my own personal satisfaction.
If you make 20k and then need another 12k next week, you're an idiot. If you want to stockpile money for the future, that's a not a need thing, that's a want thing. Naniwa and Scarlett can leave Esports and get a regular job at any time. Both of them have made good money and have had a lot of expenses covered by their teams. None of them NEED 12k dollars. What if this showmatch had never taken place? Would they be out on the streets?
No, I'm not a socialist. No, I'm not angry with people making or saving more money than they strictly need. This place sometimes.
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Best poll for the best showmatch!
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Price money just got halfed, thanks to the Bitcoin bubble bursting right now.
5000$ is still high though. Let's hope it doesn't go down even further until tomorrow.
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So if the BTC value remains at it is currently that means the biggest showmatch of SC2 history is still Polt vs HyuN with 8k$, right ?
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Well, it's not that important, but probably yes. But the value can change drastically in one or two days.
It's for sure the most interesting foreigner showmatch in SC2 though!
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On December 19 2013 04:47 Caladan wrote:
Price money just got halfed, thanks to the Bitcoin bubble bursting right now.
5000$ is still high though. Let's hope it doesn't go down even further until tomorrow.
I might be wrong, but most sites I can find seem to imply that 14 BTC is closer to $8k than $5k.
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On December 19 2013 05:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:47 Caladan wrote:
Price money just got halfed, thanks to the Bitcoin bubble bursting right now.
5000$ is still high though. Let's hope it doesn't go down even further until tomorrow. I might be wrong, but most sites I can find seem to imply that 14 BTC is closer to $8k than $5k.
Probably didn't factor in the update from 12 to 14 BTC.
While I personally am not a fan of BTC, I hope it rallies for the winner.
+ Show Spoiler +
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Well, here's hoping everything doesn't collapse before the 21st. It's a really awesome show match w/o bitcoin's novelty anyway.
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On December 19 2013 05:11 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:47 Caladan wrote:
Price money just got halfed, thanks to the Bitcoin bubble bursting right now.
5000$ is still high though. Let's hope it doesn't go down even further until tomorrow. I might be wrong, but most sites I can find seem to imply that 14 BTC is closer to $8k than $5k.
Use bitcoinwisdom.com to compare prices on different exchanges. The value of BTC varies from exchange to exchange. Wouldn't be 3k difference, but bitcoinwisdom is the definitive chart and price site imo.
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Haven't been this hyped for a showmatch since the Jinro vs IdrA one that happened when they were both doing well. Hope this one produces as good a match!
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On December 19 2013 04:30 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 03:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want. i disagree... of course theyll both make a 100k a year for 35 years playing sc... ( sarcasm ) Your disagreement has no bearing on the fact that neither of them need the money. No one is going to play this game for 35 years, or be in Esports for that long. They will move on, get regular jobs and support themselves that way. No one but an idiot would expect to live off of Esports earnings for 35 years. No one with any sensible lifestyle needs more than 50-60k a year. Want more, to buy expensive shit? Sure. But need? No. If you have food to eat, clothes to wear and a place to live, with some money to spare for hobbies and savings, you don't need more.
USD? In today's economic climate? No.
You're not thinking long term enough. You can live comfortably off of 50-60k a year, sure. You cannot live comfortably now and, however, save enough to live comfortably during your retirement off of 50-60k a year.
Then god forbid you decide to have children, be it with a spouse or adoption. There goes your comfortable living now AND any shot at having a decent retirement. Also expect to rent for the rest of your life.
It's nice to think idealistically, but to be frank, money is money. You can start thinking about having too much of it when you actually have too much of it.
On December 19 2013 04:46 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:40 Incognoto wrote:On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want. What a socialist way of viewing things. Is there a certain time needed between income before income becomes "needed"? Are people supposed to be careful to not put save too much money at the time? A guy who made 20k last week could definitely use another 12k, especially if the industry he's in is as instable as esports. I can't believe I have to go spell this out. How do you read what I wrote and extrapolate that? It's not even a strawman, it's just making shit up. Need: I need this money to sustain myself. Want: I want this money to buy stuff for my own personal satisfaction. If you make 20k and then need another 12k next week, you're an idiot. If you want to stockpile money for the future, that's a not a need thing, that's a want thing. Naniwa and Scarlett can leave Esports and get a regular job at any time. Both of them have made good money and have had a lot of expenses covered by their teams. None of them NEED 12k dollars. What if this showmatch had never taken place? Would they be out on the streets? No, I'm not a socialist. No, I'm not angry with people making or saving more money than they strictly need. This place sometimes.
"Stockpiling money for the future" is a "want" thing? No, that's absurd. When you're in a relatively unstable position, you're in a constant state of "need".
You have a silly and impractical definition of economic "need".
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I'm pretty pumped up for this. Scarlett's ZvP is really fun to watch, and Naniwa has proven himself against, imo, top tier Zerg opponents. I think the series will go seven games, but it's really hard to pick who is coming out on top. I'd go with Scarlett based on her recent results.
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On December 19 2013 05:52 PH wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:30 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 03:32 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want. i disagree... of course theyll both make a 100k a year for 35 years playing sc... ( sarcasm ) Your disagreement has no bearing on the fact that neither of them need the money. No one is going to play this game for 35 years, or be in Esports for that long. They will move on, get regular jobs and support themselves that way. No one but an idiot would expect to live off of Esports earnings for 35 years. No one with any sensible lifestyle needs more than 50-60k a year. Want more, to buy expensive shit? Sure. But need? No. If you have food to eat, clothes to wear and a place to live, with some money to spare for hobbies and savings, you don't need more. USD? In today's economic climate? No. You're not thinking long term enough. You can live comfortably off of 50-60k a year, sure. You cannot live comfortably now and, however, save enough to live comfortably during your retirement off of 50-60k a year. Then god forbid you decide to have children, be it with a spouse or adoption. There goes your comfortable living now AND any shot at having a decent retirement. Also expect to rent for the rest of your life. It's nice to think idealistically, but to be frank, money is money. You can start thinking about having too much of it when you actually have too much of it. Show nested quote +On December 19 2013 04:46 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 04:40 Incognoto wrote:On December 19 2013 03:28 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 02:34 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On December 19 2013 01:27 Squat wrote:On December 19 2013 01:11 Sabu113 wrote:On December 19 2013 00:47 Noocta wrote:
Well now it's not the biggest prizepool for a showmatch anymore. =/ Give it 2-3 weeks. Libertarians will hype it back up again. Fundamentally it doesn't make sense but it doesn't have to. Money is all about confidence. Libertarians finally being good for something I guess. I honestly don't care whether it's 12k, 6k or 5 dollars, neither of these two need the money. I just want to see them play each other. loll wut?? now pro gamers are making zillions of e-dollars? Believe it or not, but you can be financially secure without being a millionaire. Both of them are on well established teams and have made plenty of money from SC2 in winnings. A guy who just made 20k last week does not need another 12k, period. Again, the difference between need and want. What a socialist way of viewing things. Is there a certain time needed between income before income becomes "needed"? Are people supposed to be careful to not put save too much money at the time? A guy who made 20k last week could definitely use another 12k, especially if the industry he's in is as instable as esports. I can't believe I have to go spell this out. How do you read what I wrote and extrapolate that? It's not even a strawman, it's just making shit up. Need: I need this money to sustain myself. Want: I want this money to buy stuff for my own personal satisfaction. If you make 20k and then need another 12k next week, you're an idiot. If you want to stockpile money for the future, that's a not a need thing, that's a want thing. Naniwa and Scarlett can leave Esports and get a regular job at any time. Both of them have made good money and have had a lot of expenses covered by their teams. None of them NEED 12k dollars. What if this showmatch had never taken place? Would they be out on the streets? No, I'm not a socialist. No, I'm not angry with people making or saving more money than they strictly need. This place sometimes. "Stockpiling money for the future" is a "want" thing? No, that's absurd. When you're in a relatively unstable position, you're in a constant state of "need". You have a silly and impractical definition of economic "need".
Are you seriously suggesting that Naniwa and Scarlett are in such a dire state destitution, to where 12k would make or break them? This whole conversation was about how the lower prize pool made the match less interesting, to which I said that I didn't care because neither of them will suffer any ill effects from the bitcoin drop, 8k or 12k is not a concern.
They are in their twenties, and are making more money than most people with full time jobs and college degrees, with very low living expenses. Your definition of need is ridiculous and divorced from reality.
And not thinking long term enough? They aren't in their forties in the middle of a career, with mortgages and kids. They can keep making money in Sc2 for a few years and still be set for the future, with or without the money from this showmatch, that was the whole point. You are responding to things I didn't say and addressing points I never made. I don't give a shit about the money from this showmatch because it doesn't really matter for these two specific individuals, that was the only point I made.
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Nice allowance or becoming a millionaire.
Isn't it like the third crash in three months? And it always came back (to my surprise)
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