On November 19 2013 10:12 Sub40APM wrote: They should let Petreaus participate, its not like Australo-Newzealanders are taking the food out of mouths of NA pros.
SHOUTcraft America.
Not Australia. No exceptions.
If you dont mind me asking TB, whats the rational for excluding Australians? Is it more of growing the NA scene or more of a sponsor issue?
Because it's SHOUTcraft America
What more explanation is needed?
I am not sure I understand, you're saying it's called SHOUTcraft America, yet you will not let someone from Australia compete because he is not American? That seems kind of convoluted, I mean Australia is kind of like America, they both begin with the letter A for instance. Also they both speak english, kind of. I think a case could be made for Australia and America being essentially the same thing, just a matter of semantics.
Also, it's been far too long since you and Greg cast together, it's still to this day one of the easiest pairings to listen to in the world of esports.
They are kind of similar in terms of both scenes needing to be sheltered from better Korean players, and being weaker and less tournament rich than Europe. As might as well amalgamate them with the weakest region recognized by Blizzard.
TBH Korea doesn't have that many tournaments either, why not allow koreans into SHOUTcraft America as well?
Well, Korea still has the GSTL, plus the upcoming Proleague.
To be honest he's right (about Korea not having enough tournaments, not about letting Koreans enter SHOUTcraft). Korea really could do with more tournaments to sustain the scene over there. I'm really really really hoping that OGN hold a few in 2014.
* to my knowledge SeleCT has US residency and would be eligible, but I'm not 100% ** Snakehips matches up with an A-Teamer from Team .SCA (has [SCA] clan tag and plays Zerg)
Chasers
The following are eligible players who are within striking distance of the top 7 [Player Name] [Current GM Rank]
*Yes I see it, there are two Idra's, I'm assuming at least one is real. Also since he's confirmed as a caster I'm pretty sure he won't enter even if he did get top 7 but I'm keeping him in anyway **I don't know why, but I'm not 100% that's the real LZgamer
Random Stuff
There are currently 31 "bar codes" in AM GM, one of which (Terran) is potentially eligible
While seed and defending champion Kane is not in AM GM he is currently 1st in EU GM
SeleCT is the only "foreign hope" in this tournament
Amazingly 56% of the previous Shoutcraft America contenders currently appear to be absent from the GM. Namely; Goswser, puCK, ViBE, Maker, Hendralisk, Neeb, Suppy, rsvp and Xenocider. That’s not to say that they don’t have a smurf account in GM.
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
*It is rumoured that the account KTFlash is infact a smurf belonging to MajOr. This is no yet confirmed. ** As mentioned in the last post, there are two IdrA's in this GM. I believe this is the real one as his career history is full of previous GM's while the other spent pretty much the whole of his WoL career in Masters
Miscellaneous
The following players are unknown in top 16 GM llllllllllll (LiLiLiLiLiLi) [3] LxAnki [8] Hitman [9] AAAAAAAAAAAA [11]
Ineligible players in the top 16 GM ForGG[7] Petraeus[8]
The mysterious barcode Terran continues remain relevant in the AM GM. Most recent victims include qxc, ViBE, Petraeus and Hitman. Still no information on LxAnki? Anyone know who he is? Also I moved Hitman to unknown since I found it unlikely he was the KT Zerg; This particular Hitman has Lv30 max-out on all three races, finished last ladder season number 1GM and has clocked over 8500 games total.
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It's still really early days yet but so far Snakehips is the only new talent/underdog to remain competitive in the ladder
Congratulations to new entries Suppy, ViBE and puCK for breaking into GM. Guess the old guard couldn't stay away after all
Scarlett maintains her number 1 spot with a win ratio of 75% (54:18) over the last 48 hours
Huge congratulations to both MaSa and JonSnow for climbing almost 100 places in a single day
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
Quite a few new faces pushing into the top 16. I'm not convinced by BestPlayerNA. Last three seasons in low masters then suddenly top 16 GM? My skepticism sense is tingling
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Underdog Snakehips finally bows out of the top 7, his mantel is now taken up by MaSsan
puCK becomes the first person in the list to gain over 100 places in 24 hours
GM is now full at 200 players
Apparently KTFlash is in fact Xenocider. I'm not going to add him in today though as since finding that the lists have all changed and it would be a total ball ache to do the whole thing again
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
Won't be doing any updates over the weekend, notice how competitive the 'chaser' section has gotten over 48 hours, things are hotting up.
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
So TB, how goes the map pool? I'd suggest Habitation Station because it produced such great interesting games at Red Bull. Any new information on that map pool?
On November 26 2013 16:27 SidianTheBard wrote: So TB, how goes the map pool? I'd suggest Habitation Station because it produced such great interesting games at Red Bull. Any new information on that map pool?
Still thinking about it.
Obviously I want to use as much ladder stuff as possible but I'd like to throw in a wildcard or two. Habitation Station was a really good map I agree. I'm also tempted to use the GSTL version of Fruitland. Obviously vetos will be allowed.
On November 26 2013 16:27 SidianTheBard wrote: So TB, how goes the map pool? I'd suggest Habitation Station because it produced such great interesting games at Red Bull. Any new information on that map pool?
Still thinking about it.
Obviously I want to use as much ladder stuff as possible but I'd like to throw in a wildcard or two. Habitation Station was a really good map I agree. I'm also tempted to use the GSTL version of Fruitland. Obviously vetos will be allowed.
I vote Fruitland if you are to decide between the two you quoted.
I don't think Habitation is necessarily as bad as I first thought, but if you are going to use it, I would suggest getting rid of the gold bases. They are just a headache and a half from a balance perspective and they feel almost mandatory if they are present.
I think the map could be ok if the gold minerals are exchanged for normal ones, and it's a very simple change to make.
On November 27 2013 01:38 Squat wrote: I don't think Habitation is necessarily as bad as I first thought, but if you are going to use it, I would suggest getting rid of the gold bases. They are just a headache and a half from a balance perspective and they feel almost mandatory if they are present.
I think the map could be ok if the gold minerals are exchanged for normal ones, and it's a very simple change to make.
Based on the games we saw at Redbull I don't think there's enough of a compelling argument to say "HEY! GOLD BASES BAD!". It was actually quite a nice change of pace.
On November 27 2013 06:14 JustPassingBy wrote: How come that there are so many foreign terrans on the top of the NA ladder? It's like the opposite of EU! :o
Probably because most of the good players in NA play EU or Korea ladder mostly. NA ladder is mostly a matter who is more active for the moment, we can't really read much into it.
Would be cool to have a lot of terrans in shoutcraft though, it would mean more TvT and TvZ, which is good.
On November 27 2013 01:38 Squat wrote: I don't think Habitation is necessarily as bad as I first thought, but if you are going to use it, I would suggest getting rid of the gold bases. They are just a headache and a half from a balance perspective and they feel almost mandatory if they are present.
I think the map could be ok if the gold minerals are exchanged for normal ones, and it's a very simple change to make.
Based on the games we saw at Redbull I don't think there's enough of a compelling argument to say "HEY! GOLD BASES BAD!". It was actually quite a nice change of pace.
I agree, the gold bases seemed to trigger a lot more engagements and harassment to try and disrupt mining. I think this is how gold bases were intended to work on maps like antiga, but the added airspace gives zerg an equal opportunity to harass the gold mineral line.
The thing about gold bases is how higher mineral income disproportionately benefits terran because of how mineral heavy bio is. Also, having gold bases as like a one time thing makes practice really weird because of how much they change the game. Either it should be something used consistently, or avoided altogether imo.
Now an argument could be made that terrans might even need that boost given how TvZ and in particular TvP has been looking lately, and I can sympathize with that sentiment, but I'm not sure that's a good way to go about balance. I don't think it's a huge thing, but having an off map where terran basically gets a substantial leg up just feels a bit strange.
On November 27 2013 09:00 Squat wrote: The thing about gold bases is how higher mineral income disproportionately benefits terran because of how mineral heavy bio is. Also, having gold bases as like a one time thing makes practice really weird because of how much they change the game. Either it should be something used consistently, or avoided altogether imo.
Now an argument could be made that terrans might even need that boost given how TvZ and in particular TvP has been looking lately, and I can sympathize with that sentiment, but I'm not sure that's a good way to go about balance. I don't think it's a huge thing, but having an off map where terran basically gets a substantial leg up just feels a bit strange.
Btw, is Polt eligible for this thing?
Is there on a student visa not a work visa I think. So I doubt it.
* to my knowledge SeleCT has US residency and would be eligible, but I'm not 100% ** Snakehips matches up with an A-Teamer from Team .SCA (has [SCA] clan tag and plays Zerg)
Chasers
The following are eligible players who are within striking distance of the top 7 [Player Name] [Current GM Rank]
*Yes I see it, there are two Idra's, I'm assuming at least one is real. Also since he's confirmed as a caster I'm pretty sure he won't enter even if he did get top 7 but I'm keeping him in anyway **I don't know why, but I'm not 100% that's the real LZgamer
Random Stuff
There are currently 31 "bar codes" in AM GM, one of which (Terran) is potentially eligible
While seed and defending champion Kane is not in AM GM he is currently 1st in EU GM
SeleCT is the only "foreign hope" in this tournament
Amazingly 56% of the previous Shoutcraft America contenders currently appear to be absent from the GM. Namely; Goswser, puCK, ViBE, Maker, Hendralisk, Neeb, Suppy, rsvp and Xenocider. That’s not to say that they don’t have a smurf account in GM.
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
*It is rumoured that the account KTFlash is infact a smurf belonging to MajOr. This is no yet confirmed. ** As mentioned in the last post, there are two IdrA's in this GM. I believe this is the real one as his career history is full of previous GM's while the other spent pretty much the whole of his WoL career in Masters
Miscellaneous
The following players are unknown in top 16 GM llllllllllll (LiLiLiLiLiLi) [3] LxAnki [8] Hitman [9] AAAAAAAAAAAA [11]
Ineligible players in the top 16 GM ForGG[7] Petraeus[8]
The mysterious barcode Terran continues remain relevant in the AM GM. Most recent victims include qxc, ViBE, Petraeus and Hitman. Still no information on LxAnki? Anyone know who he is? Also I moved Hitman to unknown since I found it unlikely he was the KT Zerg; This particular Hitman has Lv30 max-out on all three races, finished last ladder season number 1GM and has clocked over 8500 games total.
Random Stuff
It's still really early days yet but so far Snakehips is the only new talent/underdog to remain competitive in the ladder
Congratulations to new entries Suppy, ViBE and puCK for breaking into GM. Guess the old guard couldn't stay away after all
Scarlett maintains her number 1 spot with a win ratio of 75% (54:18) over the last 48 hours
Huge congratulations to both MaSa and JonSnow for climbing almost 100 places in a single day
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
Quite a few new faces pushing into the top 16. I'm not convinced by BestPlayerNA. Last three seasons in low masters then suddenly top 16 GM? My skepticism sense is tingling
Random Stuff
Underdog Snakehips finally bows out of the top 7, his mantel is now taken up by MaSsan
puCK becomes the first person in the list to gain over 100 places in 24 hours
GM is now full at 200 players
Apparently KTFlash is in fact Xenocider. I'm not going to add him in today though as since finding that the lists have all changed and it would be a total ball ache to do the whole thing again
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
Thought I'd update since there's been a lot of changes. Just thought I'd point something out, was watching DeMuslim's stream earlier and he mentioned how the NA ladder has never been this stacked (particularly with NA pros). While there are a lot of factors that could contribute to this (WCS off-season leads to more time to ladder) it's a pretty strong theory that ShoutCraft America has contributed to this in some way. Also just check out the list now, the actual ladder ranks now match so closely to their rank for eligibility into SCA, meaning a lot of NA players laddering and a lot of competition for these 7 qualifying spots, pretty cool.
* DeMuslim mentioned on his stream today that Scarecrow is Huk, so I'm going to go with whichever of the two is highest (interestingly Huk's official account is currently ranked 10th, which almost puts him in the top 7 twice)
** Xenocider now appears to be using his official account, so from now on I'll go with that or KTFlash depending which is higher
*** The elusive barcode is SHOUTcraft America veteran Neeb (seen on his stream) which definitely makes him elagable
Miscellaneous
The following players are unknown in top 16 GM ZergZingZing [6]
DeMuslim becomes the first player in NA GM to break 1000 points
Despite that impressive feat it would only award him 29th on the EU ladder
Seems Scarlett is taking a breather. Since Red Bull Battlegrounds she's only played 2 ladder matches in the last 3 days. Despite this she's still in the top 7, quite impressive
EG are potentially going to have a good showing at SCA, they currently had 4 players in the top ten of GM (5 if you count both of Huk's accounts)
A brief disclaimer: 1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer. 2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please) 3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
On November 28 2013 11:03 Greendotz wrote: Seems Scarlett is taking a breather. Since Red Bull Battlegrounds she's only played 2 ladder matches in the last 3 days. Despite this she's still in the top 7, quite impressive
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