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On November 21 2013 03:47 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 09:36 Sub40APM wrote:On November 20 2013 02:48 Squat wrote:On November 20 2013 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 12:08 Sub40APM wrote:On November 19 2013 10:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 10:12 Sub40APM wrote:
They should let Petreaus participate, its not like Australo-Newzealanders are taking the food out of mouths of NA pros. SHOUTcraft America. Not Australia. No exceptions. If you dont mind me asking TB, whats the rational for excluding Australians? Is it more of growing the NA scene or more of a sponsor issue? Because it's SHOUTcraft America What more explanation is needed? I am not sure I understand, you're saying it's called SHOUTcraft America, yet you will not let someone from Australia compete because he is not American? That seems kind of convoluted, I mean Australia is kind of like America, they both begin with the letter A for instance. Also they both speak english, kind of. I think a case could be made for Australia and America being essentially the same thing, just a matter of semantics. Also, it's been far too long since you and Greg cast together, it's still to this day one of the easiest pairings to listen to in the world of esports. They are kind of similar in terms of both scenes needing to be sheltered from better Korean players, and being weaker and less tournament rich than Europe. As might as well amalgamate them with the weakest region recognized by Blizzard. TBH Korea doesn't have that many tournaments either, why not allow koreans into SHOUTcraft America as well?
That is an excellent question, if a tournament is named SHOUTcraft America, it only stands to reason that countries that are at least tangentially connected to America should also be allowed. France sent the statue of liberty to the US, I see no reason why they could not also send ToD. American forces have been stationed in Korea for decades, now it's time to for Korea to send forth its brave cadre of internet warriors to return the favour.
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I think we should do SHOUTcraft former British Empire. it just makes sense. TB is British and you give opportunities to players from Canada, USA, Australia, South Africa, etc...
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On November 21 2013 04:25 Shellshock wrote:
I think we should do SHOUTcraft former British Empire. it just makes sense. TB is British and you give opportunities to players from Canada, USA, Australia, South Africa, etc...
Only if everyone is required to play in a top hat and monocle, and sing Britannia Rule the Waves before every series.
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On November 21 2013 04:31 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 04:25 Shellshock wrote:
I think we should do SHOUTcraft former British Empire. it just makes sense. TB is British and you give opportunities to players from Canada, USA, Australia, South Africa, etc... Only if everyone is required to play in a top hat and monocle, and sing Britannia Rule the Waves before every series.
Accompanied by a full military band, preferably one of Her Majesty's Royal Guard bands. 6 octaves of glorious wind and percussion, accompanying such vocal talents as Apollo of MCApollo rap fame and the sultry voice of John 'Totalbiscuit' Bain, famous for his basso profundo.
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On November 19 2013 04:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Announcing co-caster for the event
Greg "IdrA" Fields will be co-casting the entire event, providing his usual analysis and dry humour. The reception for his cast during the first SHOUTcraft America was extremely positive and gave us one of our best days in terms of viewership, so it seemed only reasonable to invite him back. I personally enjoyed co-casting with Greg for both his familiarity with the players which gave him a unique insight into the competition and his respect for caster role definitions which allowed him to deliver analysis while I handled the play-by-play. The combination was well received and I very much enjoyed the cast and am looking forward to doing so once again.
I don't wanna pour water on your beers, but one of the reasons I don't like IdrA is because of how much he'd crap on TB and Husky, in the most hateful, juvenile, butt hurt way, like "B-BUT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT OF STARCRAFT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD"
has he apologized for that, if not publicly, at least to TB in person? Because I know for a fact that, for husky, he has not.
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On November 21 2013 06:45 JP Dayne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 04:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Announcing co-caster for the event
Greg "IdrA" Fields will be co-casting the entire event, providing his usual analysis and dry humour. The reception for his cast during the first SHOUTcraft America was extremely positive and gave us one of our best days in terms of viewership, so it seemed only reasonable to invite him back. I personally enjoyed co-casting with Greg for both his familiarity with the players which gave him a unique insight into the competition and his respect for caster role definitions which allowed him to deliver analysis while I handled the play-by-play. The combination was well received and I very much enjoyed the cast and am looking forward to doing so once again. I don't wanna pour water on your beers, but one of the reasons I don't like IdrA is because of how much he'd crap on TB and Husky, in the most hateful, juvenile, butt hurt way, like "B-BUT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT OF STARCRAFT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD" has he apologized for that, if not publicly, at least to TB in person? Because I know for a fact that, for husky, he has not.
Why don't you let the community figures in question tally their own apology score; it's obvious that TB and Idra have gotten over whatever rift they had in the past enough to work together rather well in casting starcraft, though I'm sure TB appreciates you holding on to the butthurt for him.
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On November 21 2013 06:45 JP Dayne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 04:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Announcing co-caster for the event
Greg "IdrA" Fields will be co-casting the entire event, providing his usual analysis and dry humour. The reception for his cast during the first SHOUTcraft America was extremely positive and gave us one of our best days in terms of viewership, so it seemed only reasonable to invite him back. I personally enjoyed co-casting with Greg for both his familiarity with the players which gave him a unique insight into the competition and his respect for caster role definitions which allowed him to deliver analysis while I handled the play-by-play. The combination was well received and I very much enjoyed the cast and am looking forward to doing so once again. I don't wanna pour water on your beers, but one of the reasons I don't like IdrA is because of how much he'd crap on TB and Husky, in the most hateful, juvenile, butt hurt way, like "B-BUT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT OF STARCRAFT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD" has he apologized for that, if not publicly, at least to TB in person? Because I know for a fact that, for husky, he has not.
While I'm not a fan of some of the stuff Idra did in the past either I have to say, seriously, welcome to two years ago? You really think when he has a pretty substantial pool of casters to choose from TB pick one he wasn't on good terms with?
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On November 21 2013 06:45 JP Dayne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 04:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Announcing co-caster for the event
Greg "IdrA" Fields will be co-casting the entire event, providing his usual analysis and dry humour. The reception for his cast during the first SHOUTcraft America was extremely positive and gave us one of our best days in terms of viewership, so it seemed only reasonable to invite him back. I personally enjoyed co-casting with Greg for both his familiarity with the players which gave him a unique insight into the competition and his respect for caster role definitions which allowed him to deliver analysis while I handled the play-by-play. The combination was well received and I very much enjoyed the cast and am looking forward to doing so once again. I don't wanna pour water on your beers, but one of the reasons I don't like IdrA is because of how much he'd crap on TB and Husky, in the most hateful, juvenile, butt hurt way, like "B-BUT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT OF STARCRAFT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD" has he apologized for that, if not publicly, at least to TB in person? Because I know for a fact that, for husky, he has not.
He spoke his mind, whether someone was offended or not is not his problem. He has no obligation to apologize for stating his honest opinion. TB has since then proved, beyond any reasonable doubt, that he was not into SC2 for money or just to attract viewers because it was a new and shiny thing, by sponsoring tournaments and a team by himself, more than most can say.
I know that Geoff has publicly redacted his earlier statements on TB, I don't know about Greg, nor do I care. They have cast together multiple times and it has always worked very well, so obviously they can function together in a professional capacity which is all we need to be concerned about.
Husky is someone who will always be divisive because of his style, I never liked him as a caster and I understand why Greg didn't either. He is not owed an apology regardless.
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On November 21 2013 03:47 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 09:36 Sub40APM wrote:On November 20 2013 02:48 Squat wrote:On November 20 2013 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 12:08 Sub40APM wrote:On November 19 2013 10:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 10:12 Sub40APM wrote:
They should let Petreaus participate, its not like Australo-Newzealanders are taking the food out of mouths of NA pros. SHOUTcraft America. Not Australia. No exceptions. If you dont mind me asking TB, whats the rational for excluding Australians? Is it more of growing the NA scene or more of a sponsor issue? Because it's SHOUTcraft America What more explanation is needed? I am not sure I understand, you're saying it's called SHOUTcraft America, yet you will not let someone from Australia compete because he is not American? That seems kind of convoluted, I mean Australia is kind of like America, they both begin with the letter A for instance. Also they both speak english, kind of. I think a case could be made for Australia and America being essentially the same thing, just a matter of semantics. Also, it's been far too long since you and Greg cast together, it's still to this day one of the easiest pairings to listen to in the world of esports. They are kind of similar in terms of both scenes needing to be sheltered from better Korean players, and being weaker and less tournament rich than Europe. As might as well amalgamate them with the weakest region recognized by Blizzard. TBH Korea doesn't have that many tournaments either, why not allow koreans into SHOUTcraft America as well?
Korean players are allowed to play. They just need to move to the us and get a work visa. Then they are all set.
Seriously, I will never get the some peoples need to say "but but but, what about the Koreans? How will you make sure they can play?"
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I'm pretty sure that was sarcasm.
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On November 21 2013 06:45 JP Dayne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 04:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Announcing co-caster for the event
Greg "IdrA" Fields will be co-casting the entire event, providing his usual analysis and dry humour. The reception for his cast during the first SHOUTcraft America was extremely positive and gave us one of our best days in terms of viewership, so it seemed only reasonable to invite him back. I personally enjoyed co-casting with Greg for both his familiarity with the players which gave him a unique insight into the competition and his respect for caster role definitions which allowed him to deliver analysis while I handled the play-by-play. The combination was well received and I very much enjoyed the cast and am looking forward to doing so once again. I don't wanna pour water on your beers, but one of the reasons I don't like IdrA is because of how much he'd crap on TB and Husky, in the most hateful, juvenile, butt hurt way, like "B-BUT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT OF STARCRAFT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD" has he apologized for that, if not publicly, at least to TB in person? Because I know for a fact that, for husky, he has not.
That was so long ago and everyone has clearly gotten over it. TB and Idra have worked together before and it was greats. Get with the times son!
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On November 20 2013 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2013 12:08 Sub40APM wrote:On November 19 2013 10:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 10:12 Sub40APM wrote:
They should let Petreaus participate, its not like Australo-Newzealanders are taking the food out of mouths of NA pros. SHOUTcraft America. Not Australia. No exceptions. If you dont mind me asking TB, whats the rational for excluding Australians? Is it more of growing the NA scene or more of a sponsor issue? Because it's SHOUTcraft America What more explanation is needed?
Forgive my pedantry but Petreaus is from New Zealand, not Australia.
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On November 20 2013 09:08 desRow wrote:
Acer scarlett on NA is cella btw
there's only one recent replay on sc2ranks, if you check the hotkeys it's scarlett and not cella.
cella might have played too, but scarlett has been using the account for sure.
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On November 21 2013 03:47 Epamynondas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 09:36 Sub40APM wrote:On November 20 2013 02:48 Squat wrote:On November 20 2013 02:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 12:08 Sub40APM wrote:On November 19 2013 10:49 TotalBiscuit wrote:On November 19 2013 10:12 Sub40APM wrote:
They should let Petreaus participate, its not like Australo-Newzealanders are taking the food out of mouths of NA pros. SHOUTcraft America. Not Australia. No exceptions. If you dont mind me asking TB, whats the rational for excluding Australians? Is it more of growing the NA scene or more of a sponsor issue? Because it's SHOUTcraft America What more explanation is needed? I am not sure I understand, you're saying it's called SHOUTcraft America, yet you will not let someone from Australia compete because he is not American? That seems kind of convoluted, I mean Australia is kind of like America, they both begin with the letter A for instance. Also they both speak english, kind of. I think a case could be made for Australia and America being essentially the same thing, just a matter of semantics. Also, it's been far too long since you and Greg cast together, it's still to this day one of the easiest pairings to listen to in the world of esports. They are kind of similar in terms of both scenes needing to be sheltered from better Korean players, and being weaker and less tournament rich than Europe. As might as well amalgamate them with the weakest region recognized by Blizzard. TBH Korea doesn't have that many tournaments either, why not allow koreans into SHOUTcraft America as well?
Or why not organize a SHOUTcraft Korea? That sounds like a grand idea. Someone should do that (but don't call it SHOUTcraft). Probably not TB as I think he has a lot on his place. But more Korean-only tournaments is a good thing. Don't need to throw them in with an American one, though.
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On November 19 2013 09:43 MinzySC2 wrote:
So is that really KTFlash? I assumed it was just an impostor.
KTFlash on the NA ladder is EG.Xeno, currently streaming.
The kid has improved quite a lot, it appears  .
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Is this why Jaedong been playing on NA ladder? I'm guessing he can get a work visa since US now acknowledges pro gamers with work visas (if they can get it). If this is the case that is awesome since it will really help NA ladder plays at the top to have better practice.
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On November 21 2013 08:58 LimeNade wrote:
Is this why Jaedong been playing on NA ladder? I'm guessing he can get a work visa since US now acknowledges pro gamers with work visas (if they can get it). If this is the case that is awesome since it will really help NA ladder plays at the top to have better practice.
I'm guessing no. I'd say he's playing on NA Ladder because he is (or was) in NA, after the WCS Global Finals. He probably just didn't fly back right away.
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On November 21 2013 07:11 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2013 06:45 JP Dayne wrote:On November 19 2013 04:26 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Announcing co-caster for the event
Greg "IdrA" Fields will be co-casting the entire event, providing his usual analysis and dry humour. The reception for his cast during the first SHOUTcraft America was extremely positive and gave us one of our best days in terms of viewership, so it seemed only reasonable to invite him back. I personally enjoyed co-casting with Greg for both his familiarity with the players which gave him a unique insight into the competition and his respect for caster role definitions which allowed him to deliver analysis while I handled the play-by-play. The combination was well received and I very much enjoyed the cast and am looking forward to doing so once again. I don't wanna pour water on your beers, but one of the reasons I don't like IdrA is because of how much he'd crap on TB and Husky, in the most hateful, juvenile, butt hurt way, like "B-BUT THEY'RE MAKING MONEY OUT OF STARCRAFT AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN THAT GOOD" has he apologized for that, if not publicly, at least to TB in person? Because I know for a fact that, for husky, he has not. That was so long ago and everyone has clearly gotten over it. TB and Idra have worked together before and it was greats. Get with the times son!
guess it's because I don't like the kid and give a shit ton of respect to TB
and it's amazing how the world turns, here idra is, teamless, not playing the game (professionally) anymore, and eating from the very hands he once shat
let that be a lesson to everyone
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![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/5/5f/Grandmaster_49x48.png) GM WATCH [As of 19/11/13 00.00 GMT]
**I don't know why, but I'm not 100% that's the real LZgamer Random Stuff There are currently 31 "bar codes" in AM GM, one of which (Terran) is potentially eligible While seed and defending champion  Kane  is not in AM GM he is currently 1st in EU GM  SeleCT  is the only "foreign hope" in this tournament Amazingly 56% of the previous Shoutcraft America contenders currently appear to be absent from the GM. Namely; Goswser,  puCK, ViBE, Maker, Hendralisk, Neeb, Suppy, rsvp and Xenocider. That’s not to say that they don’t have a smurf account in GM. A brief disclaimer:
1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer.
2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please)
3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post20/11/13 + Show Spoiler +
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GM WATCH [As of 20/11/13 00.00 GMT] Miscellaneous The following players are unknown in top 16 GM  llllllllllll (LiLiLiLiLiLi) [3] LxAnki [8] Hitman [9] AAAAAAAAAAAA [11]Ineligible players in the top 16 GM ForGG [7]Petraeus  [8] The mysterious barcode Terran continues remain relevant in the AM GM. Most recent victims include qxc, ViBE, Petraeus and Hitman. Still no information on LxAnki? Anyone know who he is? Also I moved Hitman to unknown since I found it unlikely he was the KT Zerg; This particular Hitman has Lv30 max-out on all three races, finished last ladder season number 1GM and has clocked over 8500 games total. Random Stuff It's still really early days yet but so far  Snakehips  is the only new talent/underdog to remain competitive in the ladder Congratulations to new entries Suppy, ViBE and puCK for breaking into GM. Guess the old guard couldn't stay away after all Scarlett maintains her number 1 spot with a win ratio of 75% (54:18) over the last 48 hours Huge congratulations to both MaSa and JonSnow for climbing almost 100 places in a single day A brief disclaimer:
1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer.
2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please)
3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
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GM WATCH [As of 21/11/13 00.00 GMT]
Quite a few new faces pushing into the top 16. I'm not convinced by BestPlayerNA. Last three seasons in low masters then suddenly top 16 GM? My skepticism sense is tingling
Random Stuff Underdog Snakehips finally bows out of the top 7, his mantel is now taken up by MaSsanpuCK becomes the first person in the list to gain over 100 places in 24 hours GM is now full at 200 players Apparently KTFlash is in fact Xenocider. I'm not going to add him in today though as since finding that the lists have all changed and it would be a total ball ache to do the whole thing again
A brief disclaimer:
1) I apologise if there are players I class as unknown, my knowledge of America GM only stretches so far as a EU gold leaguer.
2) There will probably be mistakes, let me know and I'll do my best to correct them (stuff like TLPD info, not the rank please)
3) Take note of the time stamp, GM rank is extremely volatile and the ranks change drastically even as I'm constructing the post. The ranks will only be correct at the moment I post
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Great job, and as I found out earlier; KTFlash is xenocider; he streamed using this account today.
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