[WCS] Global Finals 2013 Day 2 - Page 560

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ElvenAshwin

169 Posts

November 10 2013 03:37 GMT

#11181

So, i think all the people angry over JD and sOs have left.

Who do you think has the highest chances at DH Winter? Do you think jaedong could win that, or maybe the HyperX thing if he is actually invited?

Also, btw, sOs played really well, why did he drop to challenger in S2 o.0 . Also he seems to have destroyed JD before at dreamhack.

bourne117

United States837 Posts

November 10 2013 03:38 GMT

#11182

On November 10 2013 12:32 vthree wrote:

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On November 10 2013 12:22 chatuka wrote:

On November 10 2013 12:10 bourne117 wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:59 chatuka wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:52 gobbledydook wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:50 chatuka wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:47 bourne117 wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:44 chatuka wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:40 bourne117 wrote:

On November 10 2013 11:37 chatuka wrote:
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If you jump up and cheer after someone gets injured in a match and beat the team or player in a game. you should not jump up and down. There are appropriate moments to cheer like a maniac, IF SoS beat JD in a 7 game intense fight, I would have understood it. This series felt like a let-down since game one. I would not really cheer like a maniac after wiinning in 5 games to cheezing and psycing out the opponent. that's just how i feel

What the fuck is your problem dude. He just won 100k dollars and the biggest tournament of the year. It wasn't like cheering for someone being injured at all. It was like cheering for winning the superbowl. It doesn't matter how you did it. You won and deserve to celebrate.

if you win after scoring on a hail mary, you are going to react differently after winning 70-0. It a compeltely different feeling and emotional reaction. That is the point i am making. this series was one-sided and very disappointing from game one. it was like a football game like 50-7 or something like that. I would not cheer crazily after winning that easily.

It is very different in SC2 though. A football game is a singular game that can be obviously over for a long time. SC2 is a box format and each game is always close because the player ends it as soon as it is over. The game never turns into a 70-0 mess (unless its like fantasy gg timings). A better comparison would be winning the NBA title 4-1 after 4 really close games. And you better believe those players are celebrating. (And they would be celebrating the 70-0 if it meant winning the title like this game meant for sOs.

well said. It's how you celebrate which is what we're discussing. jumping up and down like a little child is not approved, but it is a free world i guess. If sOs won in a game 7 or game 6 in intense matches, i would be very happy for him and expect him to go nuts. but you make good points.

what do you mean jumping up and down is not approved. This man just won the most important tournament of his life.
you're just sore that JD lost and everyone has to sulk like you.

go to my previous posts. winning ugly or hard fought yields different emotions than winning easily and completely demoralizing the opponent. Soccer teams beating clubs 5-0 4-1 will yield different celebrations than winning a close won. that is the point. And yes i am upset JD lost, but that is the game, someone must win someone must lose. I am not sore that sOs won. I just heard he was jumping up and down a bit crazily, i was a bit disappointed in the reaction. that's all.

Using a score is a bad way to compare it to SC though. Each game is close until the end because unlike a sports game with a timer on it the game ends as soon as you get that decisive lead. Which means that when he wins its more like winning 5-4 than 5-0.

this is a good discussion to view SC2 in what manner or fashion series should be judge i guess. If you kill an opponent 4-0 or are up 3-0, is it the same feeling as to being up 3-0 in soccer or 21-0 in football, or 3-0 in hockey. How I feel, being up 3-0 or 3-1 and beating an opponent 4-1, i would feel different than being in a 6 or seven game tough series.

perhaps the comparisons aren't apple to apples as you guys say. don't know, i am not a pro SC2 player, so it would be hard i guess to determine the leverage or dominance you have reached over your opponent after being up 3-1 and killin gyour opponent 4-1. It seems like 4-1 is a one sided victory. But I don't know the competive psychology of being in an intense 7 game series in a final. So you guys are probably right overall. I should not get too upset about sOs celebrating heartily after winning 4-1. I will observe future reactions of players that dominate their opponent from now on. I really never noticed behavior like this until sOs won. So perhaps, i am just a JD fanboy that got upset. I see things a little bit more clearly now.

It isn't that hard to imagine the difference. Using your own reactions as an example. When did you get 'upset' that JD lost, was it when he was down 3-1 and you already 'accepted' that he lost. Or was it when he lost/was clearly losing the fifth game?

If you felt JD hadn't 'lost' at 3-1, you sure as hell can be sure the sOs didn't think he had the series already wrapped up. If your soccer team was up 3-0 in a game, you would already be celebrating before the final whistle. That is the difference.

Thank you for explaining that better than I was able to. This is exactly what I met but you worded it much better.

ZAiNs

United Kingdom6525 Posts

November 10 2013 03:38 GMT

#11183

On November 10 2013 12:33 stuchiu wrote:
Protoss Pantheon:

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Warp Prism is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk

Zerg Pantheon:

Spawning Pool: ActionJesuz
Zergling: Life
Drone: Ret
Overlord: Vortix
Roach: Stephano
Hydra: Idra
Mutalisk: Jaedong
Baneling: Nestea
Infestor: Freaky
Corruptor: ????????
SH: Firecake
Ultralisk: Suppy
Brood Lord: Slivko
Viper: Hyun
Nydus: Symbol
Queen: Losira
Creep Tumor: Scarlett

Terran Pantheon:

SCV: BitByBit
Mule: Bomber
Marine: MKP
Marauder: Polt
Ghost: Taeja
Hellbat: Innovation
Hellion: Slayers
Widow Mine: Fantasy
Siege Tank: Goody
Thor: Thorzain
Medivac: MMA
Banshee: TheBest
Viking: Gumiho
Battlecruiser: Mvp
Raven: Rain

Hyun is soooo Roach x_x. To this day he still spams Roaches all the time! :D

liberate71

Australia10252 Posts

November 10 2013 03:38 GMT

#11184

Pylon is Artosis ^_^

StarStruck

25339 Posts

November 10 2013 03:40 GMT

#11185

On November 10 2013 12:37 ElvenAshwin wrote:
So, i think all the people angry over JD and sOs have left.

Who do you think has the highest chances at DH Winter? Do you think jaedong could win that, or maybe the HyperX thing if he is actually invited?

Also, btw, sOs played really well, why did he drop to challenger in S2 o.0 . Also he seems to have destroyed JD before at dreamhack.

What HyperX thing are you talking about? Are they hosting another tournament I don't know about? Ofc he has a shot at DH.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

November 10 2013 03:40 GMT

#11186

On November 10 2013 12:38 ZAiNs wrote:

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Hyun is soooo Roach x_x. To this day he still spams Roaches all the time! :D

Stephano roach max though. HyuN was good with vipers and was the first to always bring spores with him for quicker energy recharge

Arceus

Vietnam8333 Posts

November 10 2013 03:40 GMT

#11187

Can anyone link me to the VOD? Missed the second half of the final

PhoenixVoid

Canada32740 Posts

November 10 2013 03:42 GMT

#11188

On November 10 2013 12:38 ZAiNs wrote:

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Hyun is soooo Roach x_x. To this day he still spams Roaches all the time! :D

We had some debate over Stephano vs HyuN, but we decided Stephano's Roach max build impacted the scene and culture of SC2 moreso than HyuN's everlasting love of Roaches. Besides, Vipers are a trademark of HyuN's builds.

usopsama

6502 Posts

November 10 2013 03:43 GMT

#11189

On November 10 2013 12:40 Arceus wrote:
Can anyone link me to the VOD? Missed the second half of the final

http://wcs.battle.net/sc2/en/videos =)

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

November 10 2013 03:45 GMT

#11190

I feel that Savior is the best choice for corruptor

vthree

Hong Kong8039 Posts

November 10 2013 03:46 GMT

#11191

Because KR is tough. Plus had got knocked out in OSL which was Bo1s in Ro32 which means it a bit more volatile. He lost to soO (s3 KR finalist) and Maru (s2 KR winner). The field is so stacked in KR that having an off day or your opponent just being on fire means elimination in KR.

StarStruck

25339 Posts

November 10 2013 03:47 GMT

#11192

On November 10 2013 12:45 Plexa wrote:
I feel that Savior is the best choice for corruptor

So evil.

On November 10 2013 12:46 vthree wrote:

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Yes, yes it is and it doesn't matter which race you play. A lot of giants fall victim to the system.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

November 10 2013 03:47 GMT

#11193

since they both lost in the semis, what do people think?

Poll: Who is the best Terran?

Maru (32)

57%

Other (explain) (16)

29%

Bomber (8)

14%

56 total votes

Your vote: Who is the best Terran?

(Vote): Maru
(Vote): Bomber
(Vote): Other (explain)

gaulzi

Iceland24 Posts

November 10 2013 03:47 GMT

#11194

On November 10 2013 09:53 Whitewing wrote:

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sOs: If Gaulzi had follow ups.

Haha true! :D I'm terrible at standard but I'm pretty sure I could help some pros get serious advantage by showing them some builds or basic cannon rushing tricks.

WigglingSquid

5194 Posts

November 10 2013 03:48 GMT

#11195

I think of Flash for medivacs, because of his habit to build dozens of them when he first started playing SC2.

TheDougler

Canada8304 Posts

November 10 2013 03:49 GMT

#11196

On November 10 2013 12:28 Shellshock wrote:
I think Jaedong is the first player to make the $100k club in sc2 without winning a premier tournament
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1. MC
2. Mvp
3. NesTea
4. Polt
5. Stephano
6. MMA
7. DRG
8. HerO
9. Leenock
10. PartinG
11. MKP
12. Life
13. PuMa
14. TaeJa
15. sOs
16. Bomber
17. NaNiwa
18. Rain
19. Jaedong
20. aLive
21. Fruitdealer

Hmm, I dunno about calling a tournament with no Koreans in a a premier tournament unless Naniwa won something other than MLG Dallas and I'm forgetting about it.

Shellshock

United States97276 Posts

November 10 2013 03:51 GMT

#11197

On November 10 2013 12:49 TheDougler wrote:

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Hmm, I dunno about calling a tournament with no Koreans in a a premier tournament unless Naniwa won something other than MLG Dallas and I'm forgetting about it.

MLG Dallas and the MLG Global Invitational are both listed as premier tournaments on liquipedia although I guess you could argue against it based off the player pool and type of tournament the invitational was