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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 10 2013 03:23 GMT
#11161
On November 10 2013 12:21 Musicus wrote:
Wax trolling or did he just announce Jaedong at HSC?

Show nested quote +
Kwanghee Woo ‏@SaintSnorlax 2m
Meanwhile Jaedong closing in on 4 years without a major championship if he can't win HSC or DHW


Well groups come out tomorrow, so we'll know. Would make sense since he is in EU for DH I guess.

But It's 2 weeks inbetween, not sure.


Ofc he'll be there. Like I said, he'll get his first win soonish.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 10 2013 03:23 GMT
#11162
On November 10 2013 12:21 Musicus wrote:
Wax trolling or did he just announce Jaedong at HSC?

Show nested quote +
Kwanghee Woo ‏@SaintSnorlax 2m
Meanwhile Jaedong closing in on 4 years without a major championship if he can't win HSC or DHW


Well groups come out tomorrow, so we'll know. Would make sense since he is in EU for DH I guess.

But It's 2 weeks inbetween, not sure.


I thought he was going to HSC too? But I can't remember why.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 10 2013 03:24 GMT
#11163
Nvm, the 32 have been decided.
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
November 10 2013 03:24 GMT
#11164
On November 10 2013 12:22 chatuka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:10 bourne117 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:59 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:52 gobbledydook wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:50 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:47 bourne117 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:44 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:40 bourne117 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:37 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:33 liberate71 wrote:
[quote]

hahahha what?

He won $100,000 and the biggest SC2 tournament ever, and he isnt allowed to cheer because he mind-gamed a fan favourite?

DiLiGu just said almost the exact opposite, hes faceless and has no personality.

You and him should discuss this at his next barcraft.

If you jump up and cheer after someone gets injured in a match and beat the team or player in a game. you should not jump up and down. There are appropriate moments to cheer like a maniac, IF SoS beat JD in a 7 game intense fight, I would have understood it. This series felt like a let-down since game one. I would not really cheer like a maniac after wiinning in 5 games to cheezing and psycing out the opponent. that's just how i feel

What the fuck is your problem dude. He just won 100k dollars and the biggest tournament of the year. It wasn't like cheering for someone being injured at all. It was like cheering for winning the superbowl. It doesn't matter how you did it. You won and deserve to celebrate.

if you win after scoring on a hail mary, you are going to react differently after winning 70-0. It a compeltely different feeling and emotional reaction. That is the point i am making. this series was one-sided and very disappointing from game one. it was like a football game like 50-7 or something like that. I would not cheer crazily after winning that easily.

It is very different in SC2 though. A football game is a singular game that can be obviously over for a long time. SC2 is a box format and each game is always close because the player ends it as soon as it is over. The game never turns into a 70-0 mess (unless its like fantasy gg timings). A better comparison would be winning the NBA title 4-1 after 4 really close games. And you better believe those players are celebrating. (And they would be celebrating the 70-0 if it meant winning the title like this game meant for sOs.

well said. It's how you celebrate which is what we're discussing. jumping up and down like a little child is not approved, but it is a free world i guess. If sOs won in a game 7 or game 6 in intense matches, i would be very happy for him and expect him to go nuts. but you make good points.

what do you mean jumping up and down is not approved. This man just won the most important tournament of his life.
you're just sore that JD lost and everyone has to sulk like you.

go to my previous posts. winning ugly or hard fought yields different emotions than winning easily and completely demoralizing the opponent. Soccer teams beating clubs 5-0 4-1 will yield different celebrations than winning a close won. that is the point. And yes i am upset JD lost, but that is the game, someone must win someone must lose. I am not sore that sOs won. I just heard he was jumping up and down a bit crazily, i was a bit disappointed in the reaction. that's all.

Using a score is a bad way to compare it to SC though. Each game is close until the end because unlike a sports game with a timer on it the game ends as soon as you get that decisive lead. Which means that when he wins its more like winning 5-4 than 5-0.

this is a good discussion to view SC2 in what manner or fashion series should be judge i guess. If you kill an opponent 4-0 or are up 3-0, is it the same feeling as to being up 3-0 in soccer or 21-0 in football, or 3-0 in hockey. How I feel, being up 3-0 or 3-1 and beating an opponent 4-1, i would feel different than being in a 6 or seven game tough series.

perhaps the comparisons aren't apple to apples as you guys say. don't know, i am not a pro SC2 player, so it would be hard i guess to determine the leverage or dominance you have reached over your opponent after being up 3-1 and killin gyour opponent 4-1. It seems like 4-1 is a one sided victory. But I don't know the competive psychology of being in an intense 7 game series in a final. So you guys are probably right overall. I should not get too upset about sOs celebrating heartily after winning 4-1. I will observe future reactions of players that dominate their opponent from now on. I really never noticed behavior like this until sOs won. So perhaps, i am just a JD fanboy that got upset. I see things a little bit more clearly now.


At least you're honest, respect.

You'll find most people will/wont celebrate regardless of the score differential.

Some people (Sniper for example) are just awkward
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
November 10 2013 03:25 GMT
#11165
On November 10 2013 12:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:18 skatblast wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:16 SampritB wrote:
Can anyone translate Jaedong's latest tweet? "한국에서 어제오늘 새벽같이 응원하셨을 팬분들 생각하니 괜히 더 아쉽네요. 너무 감사하고 잊지못할겁니다!! 언젠가 우승하는그날까지 화이팅할게요."


"Earlier today, as yesterday, in South Korea do you think of cheering fans have no shame. Vain. Thank you so much and will never forget! Fighting until the day that one day I'll win"

Google Translate so OP

"When I think about all those fans that cheered me on starting from dawn of yesterday all the way to dawn of today, it is even more disappointing for me. But I am so grateful and I will never forget it!! I will keep fighting until the day I win a championship."

I'm glad that he's not giving any hint of retiring. I'm growing kind of scared after the double sBisu-JangBi sting. D:
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 10 2013 03:25 GMT
#11166
stuchiu please post the most up to date lists of units for pros for every race cause you seem to have the best grasp of who is what atm
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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
November 10 2013 03:25 GMT
#11167
On November 10 2013 12:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:18 skatblast wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:16 SampritB wrote:
Can anyone translate Jaedong's latest tweet? "한국에서 어제오늘 새벽같이 응원하셨을 팬분들 생각하니 괜히 더 아쉽네요. 너무 감사하고 잊지못할겁니다!! 언젠가 우승하는그날까지 화이팅할게요."


"Earlier today, as yesterday, in South Korea do you think of cheering fans have no shame. Vain. Thank you so much and will never forget! Fighting until the day that one day I'll win"

Google Translate so OP

"When I think about all those fans that cheered me on starting from dawn of yesterday all the way to dawn of today, it is even more disappointing for me. But I am so grateful and I will never forget it!! I will keep fighting until the day I win a championship."


Thanks!

Poor JD. Has he won anything since Flash got in the way?
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 10 2013 03:26 GMT
#11168
On November 10 2013 12:24 stuchiu wrote:
Nvm, the 32 have been decided.


Hm, well since it's 4:25 am, I will just sleep now and hopefully wake up to the groups .
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 10 2013 03:28 GMT
#11169
I think Jaedong is the first player to make the $100k club in sc2 without winning a premier tournament
+ Show Spoiler [players >$100k earned] +
1. MC
2. Mvp
3. NesTea
4. Polt
5. Stephano
6. MMA
7. DRG
8. HerO
9. Leenock
10. PartinG
11. MKP
12. Life
13. PuMa
14. TaeJa
15. sOs
16. Bomber
17. NaNiwa
18. Rain
19. Jaedong
20. aLive
21. Fruitdealer
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 10 2013 03:29 GMT
#11170
On November 10 2013 12:25 Shellshock wrote:
stuchiu please post the most up to date lists of units for pros for every race cause you seem to have the best grasp of who is what atm


For the pantheon?
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 10 2013 03:30 GMT
#11171
On November 10 2013 12:25 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:21 Seeker wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:18 skatblast wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:16 SampritB wrote:
Can anyone translate Jaedong's latest tweet? "한국에서 어제오늘 새벽같이 응원하셨을 팬분들 생각하니 괜히 더 아쉽네요. 너무 감사하고 잊지못할겁니다!! 언젠가 우승하는그날까지 화이팅할게요."


"Earlier today, as yesterday, in South Korea do you think of cheering fans have no shame. Vain. Thank you so much and will never forget! Fighting until the day that one day I'll win"

Google Translate so OP

"When I think about all those fans that cheered me on starting from dawn of yesterday all the way to dawn of today, it is even more disappointing for me. But I am so grateful and I will never forget it!! I will keep fighting until the day I win a championship."


Thanks!

Poor JD. Has he won anything since Flash got in the way?


Uh... yeah. Not like he hasn't beat Flash before. Flash just went on that streak though and then other guys came up to crash the party. Anyway, Jaedong still has that 8-man invitational thing from HyperX. Make of it what you will. Surprised there isn't more chat about sHy anymore. It's all been all about Jaedong lol.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 10 2013 03:30 GMT
#11172
On November 10 2013 12:29 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:25 Shellshock wrote:
stuchiu please post the most up to date lists of units for pros for every race cause you seem to have the best grasp of who is what atm


For the pantheon?

is Pantheon protoss specific or is it for each race?
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 10 2013 03:30 GMT
#11173
On November 10 2013 12:30 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:29 stuchiu wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:25 Shellshock wrote:
stuchiu please post the most up to date lists of units for pros for every race cause you seem to have the best grasp of who is what atm


For the pantheon?

is Pantheon protoss specific or is it for each race?


May as well be for every race. Works just as well.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 10 2013 03:31 GMT
#11174
On November 10 2013 12:30 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:30 Shellshock wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:29 stuchiu wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:25 Shellshock wrote:
stuchiu please post the most up to date lists of units for pros for every race cause you seem to have the best grasp of who is what atm


For the pantheon?

is Pantheon protoss specific or is it for each race?


May as well be for every race. Works just as well.

Then yea I just want to see if we're missing any spots still
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 10 2013 03:32 GMT
#11175
On November 10 2013 12:22 chatuka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:10 bourne117 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:59 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:52 gobbledydook wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:50 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:47 bourne117 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:44 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:40 bourne117 wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:37 chatuka wrote:
On November 10 2013 11:33 liberate71 wrote:
[quote]

hahahha what?

He won $100,000 and the biggest SC2 tournament ever, and he isnt allowed to cheer because he mind-gamed a fan favourite?

DiLiGu just said almost the exact opposite, hes faceless and has no personality.

You and him should discuss this at his next barcraft.

If you jump up and cheer after someone gets injured in a match and beat the team or player in a game. you should not jump up and down. There are appropriate moments to cheer like a maniac, IF SoS beat JD in a 7 game intense fight, I would have understood it. This series felt like a let-down since game one. I would not really cheer like a maniac after wiinning in 5 games to cheezing and psycing out the opponent. that's just how i feel

What the fuck is your problem dude. He just won 100k dollars and the biggest tournament of the year. It wasn't like cheering for someone being injured at all. It was like cheering for winning the superbowl. It doesn't matter how you did it. You won and deserve to celebrate.

if you win after scoring on a hail mary, you are going to react differently after winning 70-0. It a compeltely different feeling and emotional reaction. That is the point i am making. this series was one-sided and very disappointing from game one. it was like a football game like 50-7 or something like that. I would not cheer crazily after winning that easily.

It is very different in SC2 though. A football game is a singular game that can be obviously over for a long time. SC2 is a box format and each game is always close because the player ends it as soon as it is over. The game never turns into a 70-0 mess (unless its like fantasy gg timings). A better comparison would be winning the NBA title 4-1 after 4 really close games. And you better believe those players are celebrating. (And they would be celebrating the 70-0 if it meant winning the title like this game meant for sOs.

well said. It's how you celebrate which is what we're discussing. jumping up and down like a little child is not approved, but it is a free world i guess. If sOs won in a game 7 or game 6 in intense matches, i would be very happy for him and expect him to go nuts. but you make good points.

what do you mean jumping up and down is not approved. This man just won the most important tournament of his life.
you're just sore that JD lost and everyone has to sulk like you.

go to my previous posts. winning ugly or hard fought yields different emotions than winning easily and completely demoralizing the opponent. Soccer teams beating clubs 5-0 4-1 will yield different celebrations than winning a close won. that is the point. And yes i am upset JD lost, but that is the game, someone must win someone must lose. I am not sore that sOs won. I just heard he was jumping up and down a bit crazily, i was a bit disappointed in the reaction. that's all.

Using a score is a bad way to compare it to SC though. Each game is close until the end because unlike a sports game with a timer on it the game ends as soon as you get that decisive lead. Which means that when he wins its more like winning 5-4 than 5-0.

this is a good discussion to view SC2 in what manner or fashion series should be judge i guess. If you kill an opponent 4-0 or are up 3-0, is it the same feeling as to being up 3-0 in soccer or 21-0 in football, or 3-0 in hockey. How I feel, being up 3-0 or 3-1 and beating an opponent 4-1, i would feel different than being in a 6 or seven game tough series.

perhaps the comparisons aren't apple to apples as you guys say. don't know, i am not a pro SC2 player, so it would be hard i guess to determine the leverage or dominance you have reached over your opponent after being up 3-1 and killin gyour opponent 4-1. It seems like 4-1 is a one sided victory. But I don't know the competive psychology of being in an intense 7 game series in a final. So you guys are probably right overall. I should not get too upset about sOs celebrating heartily after winning 4-1. I will observe future reactions of players that dominate their opponent from now on. I really never noticed behavior like this until sOs won. So perhaps, i am just a JD fanboy that got upset. I see things a little bit more clearly now.


It isn't that hard to imagine the difference. Using your own reactions as an example. When did you get 'upset' that JD lost, was it when he was down 3-1 and you already 'accepted' that he lost. Or was it when he lost/was clearly losing the fifth game?

If you felt JD hadn't 'lost' at 3-1, you sure as hell can be sure the sOs didn't think he had the series already wrapped up. If your soccer team was up 3-0 in a game, you would already be celebrating before the final whistle. That is the difference.
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 03:35:53
November 10 2013 03:32 GMT
#11176
Are there VODs of the tournament uploaded anywhere?

Edited: Never mind. I found them.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 03:34:45
November 10 2013 03:33 GMT
#11177
Protoss Pantheon:

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Warp Prism is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk

Zerg Pantheon:

Spawning Pool: ActionJesuz
Zergling: Life
Drone: Ret
Overlord: Vortix
Roach: Stephano
Hydra: Idra
Mutalisk: Jaedong
Baneling: Nestea
Infestor: Freaky
Corruptor: ????????
SH: Firecake
Ultralisk: Suppy
Brood Lord: Slivko
Viper: Hyun
Nydus: Symbol
Queen: Losira
Creep Tumor: Scarlett

Terran Pantheon:

SCV: BitByBit
Mule: Bomber
Marine: MKP
Marauder: Polt
Ghost: Taeja
Hellbat: Innovation
Hellion: Slayers
Widow Mine: Fantasy
Siege Tank: Goody
Thor: Thorzain
Medivac: MMA
Banshee: TheBest
Viking: Gumiho
Battlecruiser: Mvp
Raven: Rain
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Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
November 10 2013 03:34 GMT
#11178
On November 10 2013 12:30 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:25 Khul Sadukar wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:21 Seeker wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:18 skatblast wrote:
On November 10 2013 12:16 SampritB wrote:
Can anyone translate Jaedong's latest tweet? "한국에서 어제오늘 새벽같이 응원하셨을 팬분들 생각하니 괜히 더 아쉽네요. 너무 감사하고 잊지못할겁니다!! 언젠가 우승하는그날까지 화이팅할게요."


"Earlier today, as yesterday, in South Korea do you think of cheering fans have no shame. Vain. Thank you so much and will never forget! Fighting until the day that one day I'll win"

Google Translate so OP

"When I think about all those fans that cheered me on starting from dawn of yesterday all the way to dawn of today, it is even more disappointing for me. But I am so grateful and I will never forget it!! I will keep fighting until the day I win a championship."


Thanks!

Poor JD. Has he won anything since Flash got in the way?


Uh... yeah. Not like he hasn't beat Flash before. Flash just went on that streak though and then other guys came up to crash the party. Anyway, Jaedong still has that 8-man invitational thing from HyperX. Make of it what you will. Surprised there isn't more chat about sHy anymore. It's all been all about Jaedong lol.


Ok I just haven't been following SC2 in ages.
I don't want to be part everything. I want to be something. - Weapon X
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 03:38:15
November 10 2013 03:35 GMT
#11179
On November 10 2013 12:33 stuchiu wrote:
Protoss Pantheon:

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Warp Prism is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk

Zerg Pantheon:

Spawning Pool: ActionJesuz
Zergling: Life
Drone: Ret
Overlord: Vortix
Roach: Stephano
Hydra: Idra
Mutalisk: Jaedong
Baneling: Nestea
Infestor: Freaky
Corruptor: ????????
SH: Firecake
Ultralisk: Suppy
Brood Lord: Slivko
Viper: Hyun
Nydus: Symbol
Queen: Losira
Creep Tumor: Scarlett

Terran Pantheon:

SCV: BitByBit
Mule: Bomber
Marine: MKP
Marauder: Polt
Ghost: Taeja
Hellbat: Innovation
Hellion: Slayers
Widow Mine: Fantasy
Siege Tank: Goody
Thor: Thorzain
Medivac: MMA
Banshee: TheBest
Viking: Gumiho
Battlecruiser: Mvp
Raven: Rain


Nevermind.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 10 2013 03:36 GMT
#11180
On November 10 2013 12:33 stuchiu wrote:
Protoss Pantheon:

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Warp Prism is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk

Zerg Pantheon:

Spawning Pool: ActionJesuz
Zergling: Life
Drone: Ret
Overlord: Vortix
Roach: Stephano
Hydra: Idra
Mutalisk: Jaedong
Baneling: Nestea
Infestor: Freaky
Corruptor: ????????
SH: Firecake
Ultralisk: Suppy
Brood Lord: Slivko
Viper: Hyun
Nydus: Symbol
Queen: Losira
Creep Tumor: Scarlett

Terran Pantheon:

SCV: BitByBit
Mule: Bomber
Marine: MKP
Marauder: Polt
Ghost: Taeja
Hellbat: Innovation
Hellion: Slayers
Widow Mine: Fantasy
Siege Tank: Goody
Thor: Thorzain
Medivac: MMA
Banshee: TheBest
Viking: Gumiho
Battlecruiser: Mvp
Raven: Rain


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