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On November 10 2013 11:17 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? Drone: Ret Overlord: Stephano Roach: Hyun Hydra: ?????? Mutalisk: DRG Baneling: Nestea Infestor: Freaky Corruptor: ???????? SH: ???????? Ultralisk: Suppy Brood Lord: Slivko Viper: ??????? Nydus: Symbol
Kinda cheating here, but the only candidate for Viper I feel is HyuN here. He is the first player I've seen really show the worth of Vipers in ZvP and his 11-13 minute Hive to three Vipers has almost become a standard style against Stargate into Colossi openers. Plus who can forget his Spore Crawler walk to charge Viper energy.
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United States97276 Posts
Didn't there used to be a thread by like Fionn or someone discussing this?
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On November 10 2013 11:23 Fusilero wrote:
MVP should get battlecruiser and goody for tanks
I agree with this
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On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ?
So then for Terran...
Marine: MKP
Marauder: Polt
Reaper: Morrow
Ghost: Mvp
Hellbat: Innovation
Hellion: entire Slayers team
Widow Mine: Innovation
Siege Tank: ?
Thor: Thorzain
Medivac: MMA
Banshee: TheBest
Viking: ?
Battlecruiser: Mvp
Raven: ?
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United States97276 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:17 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? Drone: Ret Overlord: Stephano Roach: Hyun Hydra: ?????? Mutalisk: DRG Baneling: Nestea Infestor: Freaky Corruptor: ???????? SH: ???????? Ultralisk: Suppy Brood Lord: Slivko Viper: ??????? Nydus: Symbol Kinda cheating here, but the only candidate for Viper I feel is HyuN here. He is the first player I've seen really show the worth of Vipers in ZvP and his 11-13 minute Hive to three Vipers has almost become a standard style against Stargate into Colossi openers. Plus who can forget his Spore Crawler walk to charge Viper energy.
I agree. When I think of Viper play I think of HyuN and bringing the sporecrawlers
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:23 Shellshock wrote:
Didn't there used to be a thread by like Fionn or someone discussing this?
If there was I never heard of it.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:23 Shellshock wrote:
Didn't there used to be a thread by like Fionn or someone discussing this?
Presumably that thread also contained his MASSIVE ARTICLE ON GSL CHAMPS
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sigh. my man Dear would have taken the tournament if he had studied JD a little bit better. No more triple crown. SAD
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:23 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:17 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? Drone: Ret Overlord: Stephano Roach: Hyun Hydra: ?????? Mutalisk: DRG Baneling: Nestea Infestor: Freaky Corruptor: ???????? SH: ???????? Ultralisk: Suppy Brood Lord: Slivko Viper: ??????? Nydus: Symbol Kinda cheating here, but the only candidate for Viper I feel is HyuN here. He is the first player I've seen really show the worth of Vipers in ZvP and his 11-13 minute Hive to three Vipers has almost become a standard style against Stargate into Colossi openers. Plus who can forget his Spore Crawler walk to charge Viper energy.
I like that.
So Viper: Hyun
This leaves Roach: Stephano
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On November 10 2013 11:23 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:19 moon_fall wrote:On November 10 2013 11:15 Black Gun wrote:To settle some discussions about who is the better player, SoS or Jeadong, I have created a little poll: Poll: Who would you favor in a bo31?SoS (18) 56% Jaedong (14) 44% 32 total votes Your vote: Who would you favor in a bo31? (Vote): SoS
(Vote): Jaedong
I voted Jaedong but to be honest, this poll is like asking "who has more fans." i disagree. this poll is basically asking who you think is the better player in the long run. sure, you can invent new stuff to stay ahead of the curve for a while. but it will get figured out sooner or later. sure, you can use clever strategies and mind games to get the upper hand in a boX series like sos did today, but you cant keep on doing that forever. i dare to say that winning a bo7 almost exclusively by mindgames while being outmatched in long, standard macro games, is already stretching it to the limit.
Meh. I voted for sOs because I think that Jaedong would be mentally assassinated after the first 10 games. "Surely, surely he's not going to cannon rush me again?"
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Marauders - Polt
Medivac - MMA
Ghost - Byun
Reaper - MorroW
Siege Tank - Goody
Widow mine - Innovation
Banshee - Thebest
Battle Cruiser - MVP
SCV - BitByBit
Thors - Thorzain
Hellbat - Innovation
Ghost - Byun
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Congrats to sOs. "Styles make fights" and it takes a lot of skill with a bit of luck (as far as brackets) to win a tournament.
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On November 10 2013 11:21 Musicus wrote:Ok ok wait. Poll: Who is the Mutalisk?Jaedong (17) 74% DRG (6) 26% 23 total votes Your vote: Who is the Mutalisk? (Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): DRG
July...
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Oh true i forgot MVP was the real sniper. But namaa was also the first who exploited the hell out of pre nerf EMP with very quick ghost builds at TvP.
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On November 10 2013 11:22 Fjodorov wrote:
You cant look at each game in this bo7 as an isolated game. The first map was JD losing a game he definitely should have won and that had a huge impact on the rest of series. And when game two played out like it did, and with the kong story in mind, I think JD was tilted
i was thinking the same thing. Psychology is huge in contests. one moment in relapse of confidence or focus will lose the game immediately. especially mistake in precision or mistakes in judgement will lost the game at the highest levels.
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On November 10 2013 11:22 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:21 Musicus wrote:Ok ok wait. Poll: Who is the Mutalisk?Jaedong (17) 74% DRG (6) 26% 23 total votes Your vote: Who is the Mutalisk? (Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): DRG
Democracy at work.
Seems like it's Jaedong.
And I agree with PhoenixVoid, that Hyun could be the Viper since he did the Viper timing with the most success. Then we could give the roach to Stephano/Snute/Symbol.
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On November 10 2013 10:54 Tamagoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. Why not warp prims - HerO?
" Because HerO love Stargate" - MC - S3 finals
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ?
Raven could be Mvp/Rain/Bomber.
Mvp -> for TvT.
Rain for him vs Boxer at Anaheim.
Bomber for him vs Goswer at MLG.
Which one?
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On November 10 2013 11:21 marcesr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:16 Ammanas wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 11:01 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:59 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:
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It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle.I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Are you fucking SERIOUS? You called him a faceless korean that literally 0 people care about for about 30 pages of this thread. Tell me, how did Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa all gain their hype? faeries? wizards? pixie dust? He IS faceless compared to those stars! How can you even compare!? I never once called him "all in protoss scum" (taken from another LR thread), or once balanced whined. To imply that, coming into the tourney, he controlled more than 1% of the total fanbase is absurd. Who cares? He's a great player, he has an interesting style, and this win will grant him a lot of exposure and fans. You seem to have this bizarre idea that fan favorites winning every tournament is somehow going to make SC2 into mainstream entertainment. There is no substance to such a claim. You know what will dictate SC2's popularity? The gameplay. That is it. As long as people are playing and watching the game, storylines will create themselves. How do you know that gameplay is the deciding factor? Because it always is. Look at any sport star. Messi. C.Ronaldo. Djokovic. Federer. Nadal. Malkin. Crosby. Shaquille O'Neal. Michael Jordan. Tiger Woods. Anyone from baseball or american football (sorry, don't know anything about those). TBLS in BW. Madlife and Faker in LoL. Literally ANY sports star. You know what they have in common? They are fucking BETTER in what they do, than everyone else. That's why they are superstars. That's why they have legions of (sometimes almost) fanatic fans. Not because of what they look like, not because of how they behave. The only 'sport' (which is actually a theater) that doesn't work that way is wrestling. And I hope nobody wants SC2 to become like wrestling... You know what the difference between your examples and Starcraft is? These sports provide diversity, imagine a world cup where 31 teams from Brazil would be competing. Also you dont have the same kind of stars in SC2 because the game is too volatile.
When you send 1 or 2 koreans into a tournament with heaps of other nations, people cry.
I dont think 'forced diversity' is any form of cure
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On November 10 2013 11:25 Godwrath wrote:
Oh true i forgot MVP was the real sniper. But namaa was also the first who exploited the hell out of pre nerf EMP with very quick ghost builds at TvP.
Who was the guy who rushed ghosts in TvT pre-nerf to snipe marines?
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