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On November 10 2013 11:23 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:19 moon_fall wrote:On November 10 2013 11:15 Black Gun wrote:To settle some discussions about who is the better player, SoS or Jeadong, I have created a little poll: Poll: Who would you favor in a bo31?SoS (18) 56% Jaedong (14) 44% 32 total votes Your vote: Who would you favor in a bo31? (Vote): SoS
(Vote): Jaedong
I voted Jaedong but to be honest, this poll is like asking "who has more fans." i disagree. this poll is basically asking who you think is the better player in the long run. sure, you can invent new stuff to stay ahead of the curve for a while. but it will get figured out sooner or later. sure, you can use clever strategies and mind games to get the upper hand in a boX series like sos did today, but you cant keep on doing that forever. i dare to say that winning a bo7 almost exclusively by mindgames while being outmatched in long, standard macro games, is already stretching it to the limit.
for all the inventive praise sOs is getting lately, im pretty sure he showed right now that he can play at the top, and who knows what else can sOs, for all we know he just played 5 games against zergs, maybe if we give him more games he try some other things
what you are saying its all theorical... that we say that sOs cant play standard macro games is just a stretch because sOs likes to win in the mid game, but we just dont know about that, he lost the macro game agains JD, does that says something NO, its just one game and actually that game was won because JD took a gamble that payed off (mutas)
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On November 10 2013 11:27 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:26 Fusilero wrote:On November 10 2013 11:26 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On November 10 2013 11:25 Godwrath wrote:
Oh true i forgot MVP was the real sniper. But namaa was also the first who exploited the hell out of pre nerf EMP with very quick ghost builds at TvP. Who was the guy who rushed ghosts in TvT pre-nerf to snipe marines? I think that was a QXC build. And Yoda. Both were made independently of each other.
If we don't have anyone for BC Naama did have a 1base bc rush vs zerg (there's a replay vs idra somewhere...)
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On November 10 2013 11:28 stuchiu wrote:
Ok so who is the queen for Zerg?
Losira duh
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On November 10 2013 11:26 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? Taeja for Ghost over MVP easily
my opinion on the terran list:
Marine: MKP
Marauder: Polt
Ghost: Taeja
Hellbat: Innovation
Hellion: entire Slayers team
Widow Mine: Innovation
Siege Tank: Goody
Thor: Thorzain
Medivac: MMA
Banshee: TheBest
Viking: ?
Battlecruiser: Mvp
Raven: Mvp
Scv Train: Bomber
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On November 10 2013 11:28 stuchiu wrote:
Ok so who is the queen for Zerg?
Obviously Scarlett
But joking aside, the queen play I remember the most is Jaedong going for that ridiculous 20 queen attack against Bisu in the Kespa-invitational
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On November 10 2013 11:28 stuchiu wrote:
Ok so who is the queen for Zerg?
LosirA likes to make a lot of them
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Infestor has to be Destiny!
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On November 10 2013 11:28 stuchiu wrote:
Ok so who is the queen for Zerg?
I knew I forgot a unit. Uhhh, LosirA?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:28 Shellshock wrote:who was known for bringing a lot of queens to transfuse late game first? or making the 6 queen build?
Stephano, Losira, Leenock.
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United States97274 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:28 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:26 bourne117 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? Taeja for Ghost over MVP easily Learn your history my friend, Mvp singlehandedly got the ghost nerfed by annihilating T3 Zerg armies with them in several important matches.
Mvp broke TvZ with ghosts but he could be so many units I would put him somewhere else and have ByuN for ghost since he has made like 40 of them on the map at the same time for TvP and was another player that used ghosts in late game TvZ around the time Mvp did
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On November 10 2013 11:29 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:26 bourne117 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? Taeja for Ghost over MVP easily my opinion on the terran list: Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Taeja Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: Goody Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: Mvp Scv Train: Bomber
Scv train can not be anyone but BitbyBit
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I dont think he should be named face less anymore as he reached WCS Finals twice already. He's definitely known for his funky plays, which Innovation picked apart, but sOs played the real Innovation today.
He's not killing esports as he is reinventing the Protoss way. If he had Bisu/Hero's looks, people will call him the Neo Revolutionist. However, sOs needs to be consistent so people can recognize and accept him.
BTW i hated him before for trashing Rain left and right.
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On November 10 2013 11:29 Black Gun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:26 bourne117 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? Taeja for Ghost over MVP easily my opinion on the terran list: Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Taeja Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: Goody Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: Mvp Scv Train: Bomber
Nah not all of SlayerS for hellion, just Eve... *oooooooooo*
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On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Reaper: Morrow Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ?
widow mine i give to Pantaji just because everytime i remember him using it to kill someone BC's (was it flashs bc's? i don't remember). actually just to put him on the list too lol
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On November 10 2013 11:27 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:26 Uncultured wrote:
I will never forget S.O.S's leaping fist-pump after stealing the victory and leaving his booth. One of the best celebratory moments I've seen. i would have been more humble after mentally destroying JD that way by psyching him out. It wasnt a classy way or a hard drawn out way of winning like 5 set tennis matches or overtime games.
Careful with your opinions. This thread will keep a record of your opinions, find you, and if need be, destroy you.
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United States97274 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:30 GWdeathscythe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Reaper: Morrow Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? widow mine i give to Pantaji just because everytime i remember him using it to kill someone BC's (was it flashs bc's? i don't remember). actually just to put him on the list too lol
yes, it was Flash
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:28 Shellshock wrote:who was known for bringing a lot of queens to transfuse late game first? or making the 6 queen build?
spanishiwa
oh gosh 2011
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On November 10 2013 11:29 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:28 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:26 bourne117 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? Taeja for Ghost over MVP easily Learn your history my friend, Mvp singlehandedly got the ghost nerfed by annihilating T3 Zerg armies with them in several important matches. Mvp broke TvZ with ghosts but he could be so many units I would put him somewhere else and have ByuN for ghost since he has made like 40 of them on the map at the same time for TvP and was another player that used ghosts in late game TvZ around the time Mvp did
Yeah fair enough, Mvp can be Battlecruiser - very fitting
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:28 forsooth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:26 bourne117 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:24 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? So then for Terran... Marine: MKP Marauder: Polt Ghost: Mvp Hellbat: Innovation Hellion: entire Slayers team Widow Mine: Innovation Siege Tank: ? Thor: Thorzain Medivac: MMA Banshee: TheBest Viking: ? Battlecruiser: Mvp Raven: ? Taeja for Ghost over MVP easily Learn your history my friend, Mvp singlehandedly got the ghost nerfed by annihilating T3 Zerg armies with them in several important matches.
Oh my god MVP vs july and MVP vs nestea at blizzcon. That was just comedy like in an action film where the badass heroes kill everything in one shot just a never ending string of pings and exploding T3s
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On November 10 2013 11:28 Shellshock wrote:who was known for bringing a lot of queens to transfuse late game first? or making the 6 queen build?
Dimaga did mass queens before the patch so i say him.
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