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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
NYDUS IS SYMBOL I ACCEPT NOTHING ELSE
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Boy sOs'll be at Red Bull Battleground NYC. I hope we get to witness sOs vs Parting or sOs vs Scarlett ^^
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Brood lord = Vortix
Best brood lord pusher in the world never forget. Or slivko as the last hold out of turtle to brolord/brofestor in the world.
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On November 10 2013 11:13 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:09 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 11:01 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:59 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:
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I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle.I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Are you fucking SERIOUS? You called him a faceless korean that literally 0 people care about for about 30 pages of this thread. Tell me, how did Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa all gain their hype? faeries? wizards? pixie dust? He IS faceless compared to those stars! How can you even compare!? I never once called him "all in protoss scum" (taken from another LR thread), or once balanced whined. To imply that, coming into the tourney, he controlled more than 1% of the total fanbase is absurd. Who cares? He's a great player, he has an interesting style, and this win will grant him a lot of exposure and fans. You seem to have this bizarre idea that fan favorites winning every tournament is somehow going to make SC2 into mainstream entertainment. There is no substance to such a claim. You know what will dictate SC2's popularity? The gameplay. That is it. As long as people are playing and watching the game, storylines will create themselves. How do you know that gameplay is the deciding factor? If the game is interesting to watch, people will watch it. If the game is interesting to play, people will play it. That's how things become popular.
1st problem is that according to this logic starcraft is not interesting to play because player numbers on bnet are terrible. 2nd problem is that the world is 10x more complicated than you are trying to present it. What you are saying is essentially "make a good product and your business will succeed" but that couldnt be further away from truth.
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On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ?
dude.. Jaedong must be zergling and mutalisk.
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Reminds me of when Flash cheesed out Bisu with 2 rax. Tears are pretty delicious.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Freaky is the Infestor wtf
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Oh and
Burrowed Banelings: Moon
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On November 10 2013 11:17 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? Drone: Ret Overlord: Stephano Roach: Hyun Hydra: ?????? Mutalisk: DRG Baneling: Nestea Infestor: Freaky Corruptor: ???????? SH: ???????? Ultralisk: Suppy Brood Lord: Slivko Viper: ??????? Nydus: Symbol
Why is Stephano the Overlord? He could be SH. He did nothing else in HotS or Roach if WoL.
Rofl. you are crazy if you go with DRG instead JD for Mutaliks.
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United States97276 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:17 stuchiu wrote:
NYDUS IS SYMBOL I ACCEPT NOTHING ELSE
I nominate Suhosin
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Terran units
Marines - MKP
Tanks - MVP
Thors - NaDa
Medivac - MMA
Hellbats - Innovation
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:18 GWdeathscythe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? dude.. Jaedong must be zergling and mutalisk.
Was "JDlings" a thing in Brood War? No. Is Lifelings a thing in SC2? INDEED IT IS
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United States97276 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:18 Zealously wrote:
Freaky is the Infestor wtf
yea I'm pretty sure that one is obvious. You can't even argue against someone who's only strategy in every matchup was literally to only make infestors
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On November 10 2013 11:18 GWdeathscythe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? dude.. Jaedong must be zergling and mutalisk.
Life-zerglings on a good day are still the most impressive zerglings, but Jaedong has been famous for mutacontrol for 6 years now so he really should get that one.
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On November 10 2013 11:15 Black Gun wrote:To settle some discussions about who is the better player, SoS or Jeadong, I have created a little poll: Poll: Who would you favor in a bo31?SoS (18) 56% Jaedong (14) 44% 32 total votes Your vote: Who would you favor in a bo31? (Vote): SoS
(Vote): Jaedong
I voted Jaedong but to be honest, this poll is like asking "who has more fans."
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On November 10 2013 11:04 pylonsalad wrote:
None of these whining Jaedong bandwagonners actually follow starcraft. If they did, they would know that sOs is the better player and has been the better player for a year and a half. They would know that he was one of the top 5 performers in proleague and finished consistently high in code S season after season. They would know that Jaedong was a mediocre player for most of his sc2 career up until 4-5 months ago when he finally showed some drastic improvement. In this sense, sOs is the veteran and Jaedong is the new kid on the block.
These are not starcraft fans, these are sheep. Yes, that was intentional. Did they even know that these two finalists were on the same BW team together?
sOs doesn't need to play with unique builds to beat anyone. His mechanics are S class and he has won plenty of games against strong opponents with standard play. He just loves to innovate.
When you change your name, a lot of people kinda blank on who you are.
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On November 10 2013 11:19 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:18 GWdeathscythe wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? dude.. Jaedong must be zergling and mutalisk. Was "JDlings" a thing in Brood War? No. Is Lifelings a thing in SC2? INDEED IT IS
It was actually, but we're talking SC2 here so I'm giving it to life anyway
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:18 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:17 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:13 PhoenixVoid wrote:On November 10 2013 11:11 Godwrath wrote:On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot. Good so far, now we need a Terran and Zerg pantheon. The terran is a bit obvious tho. Drone: ? Zergling: Life Overlord: ? Roach: Symbol or HyuN Hydra: ? Mutalisk: Jaedong or DRG Baneling: Leenock Infestor: Stephano or someone else Corruptor: Soulkey? Swarm Host: Stephano? Ultralisk: ? Brood Lord: ? Viper: ? Drone: Ret Overlord: Stephano Roach: Hyun Hydra: ?????? Mutalisk: DRG Baneling: Nestea Infestor: Freaky Corruptor: ???????? SH: ???????? Ultralisk: Suppy Brood Lord: Slivko Viper: ??????? Nydus: Symbol Why is Stephano the Overlord? He could be SH. He did nothing else in HotS or Roach if WoL.
Stephano made the make 12 Overlords before the roach max popular since wayyyyy back. Bitterdam used to call it the Stephano Overlords. And it kind of references the fact that he changed the way Z was played. I also accept Roach or maybe the Infestor/Spine Crawler.
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On November 10 2013 11:17 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:12 chatuka wrote:On November 10 2013 11:10 StarStruck wrote:On November 10 2013 11:07 chatuka wrote:
it's not that Sos won, he did it by using high risk strategies and realy moreo rock paper scissors kind of action that kind of turned me off. His biggest strength which i respected was his ability to harass with his zealots to put pressure on the defense of the Zerg base. JD did no defend or scout well, due to unknown reasons, partly JD is ultra agressive and does not place defense as a priority. SO it was a bad match up styles of JD also. So all in all , I think JD needs to look hard in the mirror and clearly learn there is a lot of improvements he needs to do to get better against the compeition. It wasn't rock paper scissors lmao. They guy knew what he was doing and kept outplaying Jaedong. sHy did very well playing one step ahead. Like I said prior, Jaedong wanted to climb K2. He got to the summit by beating Dear, but that was only half the battle. He never made his way back down because he got caught in a storm. I disagree, i didn't see the game that way. Sos strats' could have backfired easily , so luck was involved for sure. and Sos would have lost that mental advantage if JD stopped it cold He had the right set-ups and one could argue there's always some luck risk involved. What say you of Jaedong going 3 hatch first before pool when sHy's been knock, knock, knocking on his door in the first few games? Come on now. They have a good idea of what they're doing and always stay on top of the other guys army. Jaedong has made strides. He has been changing his play, which is a good thing. The future is bright for him.
i thought that was an interesting but not the right choice JD made. He needed to cheeze SOS right back to send him a message that cheezing was not going to be allowed. It allowed SOS that mental advantage since game one JD could never get into optimal concentration and thinking mode after being humiliated by SoS.
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United States97276 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:18 Sgany wrote:
Terran units
Marines - MKP
Tanks - MVP
Thors - NaDa
Medivac - MMA
Hellbats - Innovation
scv - bitbybit
marauder - polt
ghost - byun or taeja
mule - bomber
hellion - forgg
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