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On November 10 2013 11:00 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:58 Ammanas wrote:On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. If there is Reach, then carrier has to be Stork. That would open up the (blink) stalker position for Hongung, which fits him better anyways, imo. This works for me. No one from SC2 deserves Carriers really. So it's : Zealot is Reach. DT is Inca Stalker is Anypro Carrier is Hongun Void Ray is Genius Phoenix is Hero HT is Rain Immortal is Parting. Sentry is MC Observor is Creator Cannon is sOs Carrier is Stork. In addition: Mothership is Kiwikaki Probe is Naniwa Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively)
Coming from a KT fan:
How is Bisu not DT?
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On November 10 2013 11:01 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:59 chatuka wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 Jonvvv wrote:
sOs outplayed Jaedong, showing absolute brilliance in all three matchups through the tournament. I was rooting for Jaedong to take it, but you can't take anything away from sOs, well deserved champion. (Not saying Jaedong don't deserve it, but sOs was the better player) i respect your opinion, but i disagree. sometimes the better player or team loses. luck is a factor as is conditions, confidence, and mind games, psyche outs. Implying that JD was the better player ? i doubt that, right now sOs is a better player than JD, maybe not in micro, maybe not in macro but overall yes he is... JD can be the better player, but not right now
This is really interesting.
You're saying Jaedong have better micro and macro but sOs is "overall" better player.
Mind game > Micro/Micro haha
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:06 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:05 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:04 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:03 stuchiu wrote:
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk
Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively) I still think HerO is Warpprism and sOs is Phoenix. Nah, sOs is CHARGELOT CANNON CHARGENON!?
CANNONS WITH CHARGE, SOMEONE GET DAVID KIM WE'VE FIXED SC2
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On November 10 2013 11:01 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:59 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
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Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle.I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Are you fucking SERIOUS? You called him a faceless korean that literally 0 people care about for about 30 pages of this thread. Tell me, how did Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa all gain their hype? faeries? wizards? pixie dust? He IS faceless compared to those stars! How can you even compare!? I never once called him "all in protoss scum" (taken from another LR thread), or once balanced whined. To imply that, coming into the tourney, he controlled more than 1% of the total fanbase is absurd.
I dont get your point, those stars were faceless at one point, you have to do something to get a name or JD got all his hype before his wins in BW?
If you want this game to grow, you need those "faceless" (BTW, he is not...), you need new blood, in fact, its better for the story it self... like Seed beating MC at the GSL finals or Life getting a name for himself after beating MVP at the GSL finals 4-3
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On November 10 2013 11:05 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:04 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 11:02 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:00 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 10:57 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:53 SkullZ9 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:46 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:45 hipo wrote:On November 10 2013 10:44 las91 wrote:
what i don't understand is this:
Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.
Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?
EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles It is incredible but the most consistent player of the year is Soulkey :D In the hardest region, where JD struggled to make it in :D If you imply that JD is not at the level of WCS korea, you should maybe think of the fact that he beat the champions of season 2 and season 3 in his run this weekend I imply that JD was Code A at most when he moved to WCS AM. As all koreans, he improves fast if he wants. That's cheap. Jaedong is not like all koreans, he is special. His improvement is not normal and not all koreans can get that good just because they want. I won't list names now. Innovation went from getting crushed by Soulkey after latter going fake roach speed into 2 hatch muta against 3 CC 2 EB to crushing Life in standard game (kinda) 2-0 3 days later. And i would argue that Life was considered to have better ZvT back then. 2-0ing Life on that particular day wasn't that much of an accomplishment though  Well, if we go with this logic, we can end up with Innovation's GSL run being a fluke :D
And the cracks begin to show
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On November 10 2013 11:05 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
[quote]
sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 08:33 DiLiGu wrote:
he has zero story. He is 100% a nobody. No one cares about sOs.
sOs winning is the worst possible situation for this tournament. Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 09:50 DiLiGu wrote:
sOs, you're good, but I hope you choke like a first-day hooker. i dno kev
There should be an TL equivilent to /r/quityourbullshit : p
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On November 10 2013 11:03 stuchiu wrote:
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk
Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively)
Cannon is already taken by TAiLS
So Hero -> WP, sOs -> Phoenix
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:06 hypercube wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:00 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:58 Ammanas wrote:On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. If there is Reach, then carrier has to be Stork. That would open up the (blink) stalker position for Hongung, which fits him better anyways, imo. This works for me. No one from SC2 deserves Carriers really. So it's : Zealot is Reach. DT is Inca Stalker is Anypro Carrier is Hongun Void Ray is Genius Phoenix is Hero HT is Rain Immortal is Parting. Sentry is MC Observor is Creator Cannon is sOs Carrier is Stork. In addition: Mothership is Kiwikaki Probe is Naniwa Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively) Coming from a KT fan: How is Bisu not DT?
Mostly a SC2 list. The only reason Stork and Reach are there is because no one from SC2 deserves Zealot or Carrier.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:05 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:01 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
[quote]
Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Yeah thats what I mean. Technically you are right in what you are saying BUT complaining about the circumstances wont help anyone. I mean if you convinced people that the results etc. sucked, that would hurt the scene even more. it's just heartbreaking to spend weeks organizing an event and bracket pool, and then watch everyone's heart sink during the finals, then watch sidebar conversations about The Office starting because it looks like "the guy that no one picked" is going to win. The results are disappointing for the majority of the community - you can argue and call me a hater all you want, but it's a small minority of JD anti-fans that are posting about licking fanboy tears. Great tournament, wish it'd had a better end. I'm out for the night.
Feel free to learn to read whenever
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it's not that Sos won, he did it by using high risk strategies and realy moreo rock paper scissors kind of action that kind of turned me off. His biggest strength which i respected was his ability to harass with his zealots to put pressure on the defense of the Zerg base. JD did no defend or scout well, due to unknown reasons, partly JD is ultra agressive and does not place defense as a priority. SO it was a bad match up styles of JD also. So all in all , I think JD needs to look hard in the mirror and clearly learn there is a lot of improvements he needs to do to get better against the compeition.
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On November 10 2013 11:02 WarWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:59 10bulgares wrote:On November 10 2013 10:57 Orek wrote:
As long as rush, cheese, and all-ins are considered somehow "bad" by us foreign fans, foreigners will never show results because they will try to please fans by not doing whatever it takes to win.
"Fuck you fans. I play a boring style, but I win." actually gives the player more money, and I approve it. And it's not even boring. But that is what is interesting to watch, how can you enjoy sitting here and watching an easy cheese victory...
many people seemed to enjoy JD vs maru... and although I was cheering for maru I found the games entertaining. Then again, I've always appreciated play that doesn't have me waiting 15 minutes for any action.
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On November 10 2013 10:54 10bulgares wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:42 YyapSsap wrote:
The volatility and inconsistency of this game... I mean SoS is the grand final champion but did squat in S2 or S3. I really dislike one time winners that often disappear in the next season or more.. reminds me when mind and luxury won the msl. Or when sync or casy won the OSL shudders WCS KR: ro32 and victory in challenger league bracket + ro16 and victory in challenger league bracket (it's Korea) DH Bucarest: ro8 (beating Jaedong) + two wins in the seeding matches, qualified for DH winter. IEM NY: ro8 Anyone who follows the korean scene knows that sOs is a great player.
Of corse he is, at least he come to blizzcon ranked 12 (of all Sc2 player in the world), yet after the first season, he kinda the player who been around the 8-10 top players, he won this and if he go on to win some more like MC, he gonna be the cheered like hell, but you just cant see that possibility, I think even the fan who are arguing about how awesome, clever sOs is atm will not even believe his next title gonna come soon.
I think people including me root for JD not just because of his past glory but also we feel he has the potential of establish something epicness like his BW career again. Sc2 need something like that, we need sth like Brazil or Italy @ World Cup not just some random Greece (who happen to won the Euro but could not even qualify for the next World Cup)
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 10 2013 11:00 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:58 Ammanas wrote:On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. If there is Reach, then carrier has to be Stork. That would open up the (blink) stalker position for Hongung, which fits him better anyways, imo. This works for me. No one from SC2 deserves Carriers really. So it's : Zealot is Reach. DT is Inca Stalker is Anypro Carrier is Hongun Void Ray is Genius Phoenix is Hero HT is Rain Immortal is Parting. Sentry is MC Observor is Creator Cannon is sOs Carrier is Stork. In addition: Mothership is Kiwikaki Probe is Naniwa Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively)
If Reach can be Zealot we can surely say that Shuttl.....err Warp Red Prism is Kal. 
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On November 10 2013 11:01 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:59 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
[quote]
Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle.I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Are you fucking SERIOUS? You called him a faceless korean that literally 0 people care about for about 30 pages of this thread. Tell me, how did Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa all gain their hype? faeries? wizards? pixie dust? He IS faceless compared to those stars! How can you even compare!? I never once called him "all in protoss scum" (taken from another LR thread), or once balanced whined. To imply that, coming into the tourney, he controlled more than 1% of the total fanbase is absurd.
Who cares? He's a great player, he has an interesting style, and this win will grant him a lot of exposure and fans. You seem to have this bizarre idea that fan favorites winning every tournament is somehow going to make SC2 into mainstream entertainment. There is no substance to such a claim. You know what will dictate SC2's popularity? The gameplay. That is it. As long as people are playing and watching the game, storylines will create themselves.
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I wanted JD to win so badly and I feel really bad for him now. With that said, I must say that Im blown away by sOs clever builds and smart play. The mind games, smart trick and cute moves makes him stand out like a really unique player. Looking forward to seeing what he will do next year. As for JD, Im convinced he will get his big title soon enough.
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On November 10 2013 11:06 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:05 opterown wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
[quote]
Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. On November 10 2013 08:33 DiLiGu wrote:
he has zero story. He is 100% a nobody. No one cares about sOs.
sOs winning is the worst possible situation for this tournament. On November 10 2013 09:50 DiLiGu wrote:
sOs, you're good, but I hope you choke like a first-day hooker. On November 10 2013 10:21 DiLiGu wrote:
Who the hell is sOs? On November 10 2013 10:23 DiLiGu wrote:
Faceless Korean takes it!
i dno kev There should be an TL equivilent to /r/quityourbullshit : p
Called him faceless? yes
Called him bad/imba/OP? nope.
My points remain valid.
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On November 10 2013 11:06 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:05 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:04 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:03 stuchiu wrote:
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk
Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively) I still think HerO is Warpprism and sOs is Phoenix. Nah, sOs is CHARGELOT CANNON CHARGENON!? CANNONS WITH CHARGE, SOMEONE GET DAVID KIM WE'VE FIXED SC2
Do you mean this ?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Shield_Battery
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On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units.
Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play!
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On November 10 2013 11:06 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:01 tshi wrote:On November 10 2013 10:59 BisuDagger wrote:On November 10 2013 10:57 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:55 forsooth wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 Ljas wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 DiLiGu wrote:
I'm soooo tired of disappointing tournaments. When was the last time someone won who anyone cared about? Around five minutes ago. Polt's WCS AM win, Mvp's WCS Europe win. I think one of the troubles with Protoss is that there's kind of a revolving door when it comes to the best players. We've had a lot of them come out of nowhere, dominate for a little while, and then fade away and not come back. Parting, Squirtle, Seed, and Rain (I'm probably missing someone) all had their moments but haven't shown championship form in a while. Now we have Dear and sOs sitting at the top of the mountain, and who knows how long they'll last? That's a lot of players coming and going over the course of just a couple years. The only real exception to the rule is MC, who had an extended period of dominance and also a great ability to win over fans with showmanship and a willingness to speak as much English as he was able to. Now look at Terran. Mvp has won championships in 3 different years, and along with Polt and Bomber has been relevant since 2011. MMA is back too, and he's also been around since 2011. MKP had his time and Innovation did too, and Maru is looking great recently, but we're still looking at those first four names in the top 16 players of the year-end tournament even after all this time. It's a stark contrast. Exactly! Thank you for getting it. Both Polt and Mvp's wins were incredible, and you nailed the situation on the head with the Protoss revolving door thing. Except my who got stuck in the revolving door cause he ate too much and now he's always there. MC? Was that the joke you were going 5? That gave me a good laugh  Edited the post. and Yes MC
MC ate July's essence after beating him in GSL. Think about it.
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