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On November 10 2013 11:05 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:01 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
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Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Yeah thats what I mean. Technically you are right in what you are saying BUT complaining about the circumstances wont help anyone. I mean if you convinced people that the results etc. sucked, that would hurt the scene even more. it's just heartbreaking to spend weeks organizing an event and bracket pool, and then watch everyone's heart sink during the finals, then watch sidebar conversations about The Office starting because it looks like "the guy that no one picked" is going to win. The results are disappointing for the majority of the community - you can argue and call me a hater all you want, but it's a small minority of JD anti-fans that are posting about licking fanboy tears. Great tournament, wish it'd had a better end. I'm out for the night.
Grats on somehow not getting banned before leaving on your own volition.
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Bisutopia19152 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:06 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:05 opterown wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
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Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. On November 10 2013 08:33 DiLiGu wrote:
he has zero story. He is 100% a nobody. No one cares about sOs.
sOs winning is the worst possible situation for this tournament. On November 10 2013 09:50 DiLiGu wrote:
sOs, you're good, but I hope you choke like a first-day hooker. On November 10 2013 10:21 DiLiGu wrote:
Who the hell is sOs? On November 10 2013 10:23 DiLiGu wrote:
Faceless Korean takes it!
i dno kev I lold quite a bit there.
Oh god that's too good. People don't realize shitty post history can always be looked up. I mask all my poor posting by ending everything with Bisu.
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On November 10 2013 11:05 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
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sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 08:33 DiLiGu wrote:
he has zero story. He is 100% a nobody. No one cares about sOs.
sOs winning is the worst possible situation for this tournament. Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 09:50 DiLiGu wrote:
sOs, you're good, but I hope you choke like a first-day hooker. i dno kev
CO-CO-CO-COMBO BREAKER
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On November 10 2013 11:07 double1185 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:54 10bulgares wrote:On November 10 2013 10:42 YyapSsap wrote:
The volatility and inconsistency of this game... I mean SoS is the grand final champion but did squat in S2 or S3. I really dislike one time winners that often disappear in the next season or more.. reminds me when mind and luxury won the msl. Or when sync or casy won the OSL shudders WCS KR: ro32 and victory in challenger league bracket + ro16 and victory in challenger league bracket (it's Korea) DH Bucarest: ro8 (beating Jaedong) + two wins in the seeding matches, qualified for DH winter. IEM NY: ro8 Anyone who follows the korean scene knows that sOs is a great player. Of corse he is, at least he come to blizzcon ranked 12 (of all Sc2 player in the world), yet after the first season, he kinda the player who been around the 8-10 top players, he won this and if he go on to win some more like MC, he gonna be the cheered like hell, but you just cant see that possibility, I think even the fan who are arguing about how awesome, clever sOs is atm will not even believe his next title gonna come soon. I think people including me root for JD not just because of his past glory but also we feel he has the potential of establish something epicness like his BW career again. Sc2 need something like that, we need sth like Brazil or Italy @ World Cup not just some random Greece (who happen to won the Euro but could not even qualify for the next World Cup)
stars drive the sport. Sos may become a star., but i didn't see the star quality in him today.
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On November 10 2013 11:02 WarWolf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:59 10bulgares wrote:On November 10 2013 10:57 Orek wrote:
As long as rush, cheese, and all-ins are considered somehow "bad" by us foreign fans, foreigners will never show results because they will try to please fans by not doing whatever it takes to win.
"Fuck you fans. I play a boring style, but I win." actually gives the player more money, and I approve it. And it's not even boring. But that is what is interesting to watch, how can you enjoy sitting here and watching an easy cheese victory...
I personally like a mix of cheeses and macro games. Honestly watching 10 macro games in a row can get really boring and predictable, having those crazy high risk games is imo more exciting.
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On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:06 hypercube wrote:On November 10 2013 11:00 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:58 Ammanas wrote:On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. If there is Reach, then carrier has to be Stork. That would open up the (blink) stalker position for Hongung, which fits him better anyways, imo. This works for me. No one from SC2 deserves Carriers really. So it's : Zealot is Reach. DT is Inca Stalker is Anypro Carrier is Hongun Void Ray is Genius Phoenix is Hero HT is Rain Immortal is Parting. Sentry is MC Observor is Creator Cannon is sOs Carrier is Stork. In addition: Mothership is Kiwikaki Probe is Naniwa Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively) Coming from a KT fan: How is Bisu not DT? Mostly a SC2 list. The only reason Stork and Reach are there is because no one from SC2 deserves Zealot or Carrier.
Nah, WhiteRa could've been carrier.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Somewhere around 1800 pages for 2 days of games (without a lower bracket and consolation matches and what not) - PRETTY GOOD I DARESAY
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:07 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:06 Fusilero wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:05 stuchiu wrote:On November 10 2013 11:05 lolfail9001 wrote:On November 10 2013 11:04 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:03 stuchiu wrote:
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk
Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively) I still think HerO is Warpprism and sOs is Phoenix. Nah, sOs is CHARGELOT CANNON CHARGENON!? CANNONS WITH CHARGE, SOMEONE GET DAVID KIM WE'VE FIXED SC2 Do you mean this ? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Shield_Battery
No I mean literally charge, when you research charge they will get up and run into anyone attacking.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play!
Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot.
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On November 10 2013 11:05 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:04 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:03 stuchiu wrote:
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Forge is Creator
Cannon is sOs
Carrier is Stork.
Mothership is Kiwikaki
Probe is Naniwa
Warpgate is Huk
Oracle is Duckdeok (tentatively) I still think HerO is Warpprism and sOs is Phoenix. Zealot is Reach. DT is Inca Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is HongunVoid Ray is Genius Warp Prism is Hero HT is Rain Immortal is Parting. Sentry is MC Forge is Creator Cannon is sOs Carrier is Stork.Mothership is Kiwikaki Probe is Naniwa Warpgate is Huk Right, that's what I meant.
I think you still have some mistakes there ^^
(Also I think JangBi should be HT, but we are in SC2 so yeah...) :p
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Canada16217 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:08 Zealously wrote:
Somewhere around 1800 pages for 2 days of games (without a lower bracket and consolation matches and what not) - PRETTY GOOD I DARESAY
so you're saying we aren't dead?
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United States97274 Posts
On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot.
Myungsik should be the phoenix
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your Country52797 Posts
I swear every autumn a billion protosses suddenly become totally bad-ass and start winning everything
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On November 10 2013 11:07 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:01 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:59 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:
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I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs.
I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle.I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Are you fucking SERIOUS? You called him a faceless korean that literally 0 people care about for about 30 pages of this thread. Tell me, how did Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa all gain their hype? faeries? wizards? pixie dust? He IS faceless compared to those stars! How can you even compare!? I never once called him "all in protoss scum" (taken from another LR thread), or once balanced whined. To imply that, coming into the tourney, he controlled more than 1% of the total fanbase is absurd. Who cares? He's a great player, he has an interesting style, and this win will grant him a lot of exposure and fans. You seem to have this bizarre idea that fan favorites winning every tournament is somehow going to make SC2 into mainstream entertainment. There is no substance to such a claim. You know what will dictate SC2's popularity? The gameplay. That is it. As long as people are playing and watching the game, storylines will create themselves.
How do you know that gameplay is the deciding factor?
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On November 10 2013 11:06 moon_fall wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:01 Faruko wrote:On November 10 2013 10:59 chatuka wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 Jonvvv wrote:
sOs outplayed Jaedong, showing absolute brilliance in all three matchups through the tournament. I was rooting for Jaedong to take it, but you can't take anything away from sOs, well deserved champion. (Not saying Jaedong don't deserve it, but sOs was the better player) i respect your opinion, but i disagree. sometimes the better player or team loses. luck is a factor as is conditions, confidence, and mind games, psyche outs. Implying that JD was the better player ? i doubt that, right now sOs is a better player than JD, maybe not in micro, maybe not in macro but overall yes he is... JD can be the better player, but not right now This is really interesting. You're saying Jaedong have better micro and macro but sOs is "overall" better player. Mind game > Micro/Micro haha
Not only mind game, decision making and strategy, intelligence in a word.
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On November 10 2013 11:08 chatuka wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:07 double1185 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:54 10bulgares wrote:On November 10 2013 10:42 YyapSsap wrote:
The volatility and inconsistency of this game... I mean SoS is the grand final champion but did squat in S2 or S3. I really dislike one time winners that often disappear in the next season or more.. reminds me when mind and luxury won the msl. Or when sync or casy won the OSL shudders WCS KR: ro32 and victory in challenger league bracket + ro16 and victory in challenger league bracket (it's Korea) DH Bucarest: ro8 (beating Jaedong) + two wins in the seeding matches, qualified for DH winter. IEM NY: ro8 Anyone who follows the korean scene knows that sOs is a great player. Of corse he is, at least he come to blizzcon ranked 12 (of all Sc2 player in the world), yet after the first season, he kinda the player who been around the 8-10 top players, he won this and if he go on to win some more like MC, he gonna be the cheered like hell, but you just cant see that possibility, I think even the fan who are arguing about how awesome, clever sOs is atm will not even believe his next title gonna come soon. I think people including me root for JD not just because of his past glory but also we feel he has the potential of establish something epicness like his BW career again. Sc2 need something like that, we need sth like Brazil or Italy @ World Cup not just some random Greece (who happen to won the Euro but could not even qualify for the next World Cup) stars drive the sport. Sos may become a star., but i didn't see the star quality in him today.
Take off your beer goggles then. If he wins the Hot6 Cup, and then the first GSL next year, he'll be the next Dear with everyone jumping on him.
Barely anyone knew who Dear was 8 weeks ago - and now he has an army of fans.
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
i think DiLiGu inadvertetnly made many people fans of sOs with his intense hate
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On November 10 2013 11:01 marcesr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:56 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
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sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems. Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle. I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes. Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa. Yeah thats what I mean. Technically you are right in what you are saying BUT complaining about the circumstances wont help anyone. I mean if you convinced people that the results etc. sucked, that would hurt the scene even more.
Yes, let's just ignore the issue and pretend everything is groovy. That's not how things get better. People complain, those in charge can now make things better or leave them be. Teams need to promote their players better. The players need to promote themselves better. Look at MC. He's not the best protoss player, but he has a huge fanbase. He will increase viewer counts. He will grow the scene. All these talks about "it should be about skills and being the best player". That's idealistic. That doesn't fly in the real world. In the real world, this is an entertainment business. If viewers are not entertained, there's no hope to grow the scene. Look at the fan clubs for MC, HerO, MMA, JD. Compare them to sOs. Huge difference.
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Insanely depressed right now.
sOs is a great protoss to watch compared to almost every other protoss, and despite impressive mind games and weird creative plays (which there is far too little of), I can't feel happy about this. JD winning was going to be the highlight of the year, the epic finish to his 1st place drought, and the confirmation that he's back on top. sOs winning is great, but not nearly as epic. I think even sOs fans would be happy if he lost that final.
I echo the previous sentiment about wanting to curl up in a blanket and do heroin.
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On November 10 2013 11:09 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 11:07 Musicus wrote:On November 10 2013 11:06 stuchiu wrote:
Myungsik can't be Phoenix because he's only shown up in one qualifier. And I'm not including upgrades for now. Just buildings and units. Sora? Sora did sick Phoenix play! Some spots I'll leave empty until some Toss really takes a spot.
kk, good list so far
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