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JazzJackrabbit
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada1272 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4821
On October 27 2013 09:57 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:56 mishimaBeef wrote:
BEST CROWD EVER



We're so awesome.

WOOOOOOO
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4822
I'm getting commercials that are begging me to play video games to save sick kids

this is messed up stuff
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4823
On October 27 2013 09:58 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:55 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:49 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:43 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:37 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:33 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:
who cares if Dear is considered the better player, i just would like to see someone other than Koreans at Blizzcon. It's just much more exciting and the storylines and "underdog" feel of it is great.


I care. I mean if I wanted to watch story lines with a vague connection to competitive spirit, I'd watch pro-wrestling.

So your calling Naniwa bad? Yes Dear won the GSL, but Naniwa has aswell had some success in the league, while also having multiple international top finishes. Also, I believe he alerady beat Dear offline.

Naniwa having success in the GSL last year in WoL does not mean he is at the level now. Especially when Kespa hadn't switched yet also. If Naniwa was even close to the level of Dear he would have had no issues in WCS EU and at the very least made it to WCS season 3 finals and not be at home hoping these players lose so he can make it to blizzcon. He plays in the easiest region if he can't make it that's on him

Slightly inconsistent, but his top lvl is definately not far behind Dears.. maybe we should w8 and see, but right now naniwa has come out ahead

In what possible way has Naniwa come out ahead? Dear won WCS KR. Naniwa couldn't even make the finals for WCS EU once. Yeah he was good in the GSL like over a year ago. That means now he is better than the Dear? I don't even like Dear but you are delusional if you think they are even close much less Naniwa being ahead

I mean as results are so arguable, we could just go by their offline engagement

Lol offline engagement? Their one match at an MLG that happened like 2 patches ago? No.
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4824
On October 27 2013 09:59 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.


First is

Not against scv pulls.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12420 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4825
On October 27 2013 09:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:58 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:55 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:49 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:43 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:37 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:33 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:
who cares if Dear is considered the better player, i just would like to see someone other than Koreans at Blizzcon. It's just much more exciting and the storylines and "underdog" feel of it is great.


I care. I mean if I wanted to watch story lines with a vague connection to competitive spirit, I'd watch pro-wrestling.

So your calling Naniwa bad? Yes Dear won the GSL, but Naniwa has aswell had some success in the league, while also having multiple international top finishes. Also, I believe he alerady beat Dear offline.

Naniwa having success in the GSL last year in WoL does not mean he is at the level now. Especially when Kespa hadn't switched yet also. If Naniwa was even close to the level of Dear he would have had no issues in WCS EU and at the very least made it to WCS season 3 finals and not be at home hoping these players lose so he can make it to blizzcon. He plays in the easiest region if he can't make it that's on him

Slightly inconsistent, but his top lvl is definately not far behind Dears.. maybe we should w8 and see, but right now naniwa has come out ahead

In what possible way has Naniwa come out ahead? Dear won WCS KR. Naniwa couldn't even make the finals for WCS EU once. Yeah he was good in the GSL like over a year ago. That means now he is better than the Dear? I don't even like Dear but you are delusional if you think they are even close much less Naniwa being ahead

I mean as results are so arguable, we could just go by their offline engagement

Arguable? Huh?


If the facts don't fit the truth, argue the facts.
No will to live, no wish to die
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4826
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.

Didn't First have better results than him this year?
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4827
hearing "toronto, canada" instead of "toronto, ontario" drives me nuts
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4828
On October 27 2013 09:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:59 Dodgin wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.


First is

Not against scv pulls.


That puts him in the same tier as Rain and Parting then
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4829
For those wondering about Naniwa, he's eliminated from Blizzcon if 2 of the following occur:

Dear makes ro4
Oz makes ro4
Byul wins the tournament
Trap wins the tournament
jimothyjim
Profile Joined August 2011
Great Britain836 Posts
October 27 2013 00:59 GMT
#4830
Yeah shoutout, I'm famous.
Go Hyvaa, Hyun, Maru, DRG, NaNiwa, MaNa, Genius, Dimaga, Scarlett, Soulkey, First! Elfi is God.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4831
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.

Just wait till Mvp's brain gets transfered into a robot.
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4832
On October 27 2013 09:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:58 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:55 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:49 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:43 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:37 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:33 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:
who cares if Dear is considered the better player, i just would like to see someone other than Koreans at Blizzcon. It's just much more exciting and the storylines and "underdog" feel of it is great.


I care. I mean if I wanted to watch story lines with a vague connection to competitive spirit, I'd watch pro-wrestling.

So your calling Naniwa bad? Yes Dear won the GSL, but Naniwa has aswell had some success in the league, while also having multiple international top finishes. Also, I believe he alerady beat Dear offline.

Naniwa having success in the GSL last year in WoL does not mean he is at the level now. Especially when Kespa hadn't switched yet also. If Naniwa was even close to the level of Dear he would have had no issues in WCS EU and at the very least made it to WCS season 3 finals and not be at home hoping these players lose so he can make it to blizzcon. He plays in the easiest region if he can't make it that's on him

Slightly inconsistent, but his top lvl is definately not far behind Dears.. maybe we should w8 and see, but right now naniwa has come out ahead

In what possible way has Naniwa come out ahead? Dear won WCS KR. Naniwa couldn't even make the finals for WCS EU once. Yeah he was good in the GSL like over a year ago. That means now he is better than the Dear? I don't even like Dear but you are delusional if you think they are even close much less Naniwa being ahead

I mean as results are so arguable, we could just go by their offline engagement

Arguable? Huh?

"I think this result is better" -"But I think this is better!" Although offline engagement says Naniwa
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4833
Why do I always forget First is on IM?
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4834
Group D: Final Match

(P)duckdeok vs (Z)ByuL
0-1


Map: Whirlwind


duckdeok spawns in the bottom right
ByuL spawns in the bottom left
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4835
On October 27 2013 09:59 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:59 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:59 Dodgin wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.


First is

Not against scv pulls.


That puts him in the same tier as Rain and Parting then

Rain is better against scv pulls. By far. Rain is far worse against proxy barracks i think though.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4836
On October 27 2013 09:59 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.


First is


Could be. Too bad Jjakji told every other Terran he's crap at holding scv all-ins.
Moderator
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4837
On October 27 2013 09:59 Mainland wrote:
For those wondering about Naniwa, he's eliminated from Blizzcon if 2 of the following occur:

Dear makes ro4
Oz makes ro4
Byul wins the tournament
Trap wins the tournament

every time someone tries to explain this it gets more confusing
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4838
Oh shit I just realised our clock will be set back 1 hour today, which happens in 1 hour

So they might not be that behind in schedule (for euro times :D)
Community News
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4839
On October 27 2013 10:00 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:59 Dodgin wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:57 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay!



On October 27 2013 09:52 Shellshock wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:52 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Must've got this from Nestea :o

which means it's definitely not going to work



I guess that's it for Nestea. not even top 2 IM zerg anymore


Kangho is the best player on IM. Think about that.


First is


Could be. Too bad Jjakji told every other Terran he's crap at holding scv all-ins.

Bomber told that. Jjakji just figured it out first.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
October 27 2013 01:00 GMT
#4840
On October 27 2013 10:00 Muffloe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 09:58 lolfail9001 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:58 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:55 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:49 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:43 bourne117 wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:37 Muffloe wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:33 stuchiu wrote:
On October 27 2013 09:31 ArTiFaKs wrote:
who cares if Dear is considered the better player, i just would like to see someone other than Koreans at Blizzcon. It's just much more exciting and the storylines and "underdog" feel of it is great.


I care. I mean if I wanted to watch story lines with a vague connection to competitive spirit, I'd watch pro-wrestling.

So your calling Naniwa bad? Yes Dear won the GSL, but Naniwa has aswell had some success in the league, while also having multiple international top finishes. Also, I believe he alerady beat Dear offline.

Naniwa having success in the GSL last year in WoL does not mean he is at the level now. Especially when Kespa hadn't switched yet also. If Naniwa was even close to the level of Dear he would have had no issues in WCS EU and at the very least made it to WCS season 3 finals and not be at home hoping these players lose so he can make it to blizzcon. He plays in the easiest region if he can't make it that's on him

Slightly inconsistent, but his top lvl is definately not far behind Dears.. maybe we should w8 and see, but right now naniwa has come out ahead

In what possible way has Naniwa come out ahead? Dear won WCS KR. Naniwa couldn't even make the finals for WCS EU once. Yeah he was good in the GSL like over a year ago. That means now he is better than the Dear? I don't even like Dear but you are delusional if you think they are even close much less Naniwa being ahead

I mean as results are so arguable, we could just go by their offline engagement

Arguable? Huh?

"I think this result is better" -"But I think this is better!" Although offline engagement says Naniwa

One match months ago dude. Seriously. That is not any way to base your claim.
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