EPTOn October 16 2013 21:39 Ghanburighan wrote:
First of all, Fantasy WAS looking there. He lifted the OC at the last moment and ran the scv's away. He probably also targeted the bane group because it was perfectly centered, something that would not have happened manually.
Secondly, Sleep messed up royally by a) not having detection, b) not splitting the banes in any way.
I always thought that using banes to snipe an expansion is a terrible mechanic because for a set cost you eliminate something crucial (a base) in a very short amount of time, unless the terran has defences ready. As soon as the Z has has an X amount of minerals and gas, the base is forfeit. And that's not good entertaining harassment.
First of all, Fantasy WAS looking there. He lifted the OC at the last moment and ran the scv's away. He probably also targeted the bane group because it was perfectly centered, something that would not have happened manually.
Secondly, Sleep messed up royally by a) not having detection, b) not splitting the banes in any way.
I always thought that using banes to snipe an expansion is a terrible mechanic because for a set cost you eliminate something crucial (a base) in a very short amount of time, unless the terran has defences ready. As soon as the Z has has an X amount of minerals and gas, the base is forfeit. And that's not good entertaining harassment.
the point is, he didn't even need to lift it up.
The lift up saved maybe 20 scvs, but he would have killed around 10 banelings for the scvs which is ideal anyway.
secondly, the "probably" is exactly what I have problem with. We don't even know did fantasy do anything for the mine to hit so well. It isn't the first time we see a mine hit that is as good as it without terran even needing to micro it at all.
as for Sleep messing up, I honestly think it just completely sucks because unlike tank which you can have an idea how many units to break through, you can't do that with mine. You have to have an overseer and without overseer, you have to wait to get one which you don't always have time to get one.
The last death was basically showing the problem, you can't wait enough for overseer to morph or you will lose the 4th and terran knowing that can just push forward and be more aggressive with the bio poke.
Overseer is with muta harassing? him dropping a mine bio drop? guess you have to morph another overseer or wait for your muta to go there to clean it up.
You have to have overseer literally for everything, defense, attack, run by etc.
You can snipe a drop, another drop with widow mine bio, and a main push with a widow mine bio push, your overseer and muta is all the way sniped that drop.
I mean it's like a dt with aoe damage drop defense while your race has no instant detection and once the mine hit is there, you cannot micro it off.
It's doable, but it's silly, especially considering the mine shots are even automatic and you can spam them with late game economy. It is such a mess up once and I will swing the game right back type of unit .
