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On September 27 2013 20:52 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote: jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least. tasteless does neither play nor watch SC II much anymore... so no... making him the analytical caster would not help at all. Are you spying on Tasteless's computer or something? Why would you even claim to know such a thing.
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United Kingdom10443 Posts
On September 27 2013 20:51 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:47 KelsierSC wrote: I think Win-rates aren't the definitive statistic that a lot of people are making it out to be.
You have to look at the quality of the opposition he is playing and also you have to look at the games and what actually happened. So even though innovation's worst matchup is TvT statistically.part of that is because he is playing the best Koreans and part of it is that crazy series against Maru which I don't think was a fair indicator of the strength of his TvT.
Also I think if you ask anyone about JJakji vs Innovation. They will pick innovation due to recent success and the fact that he has beaten people like Flash in TvT.
So all of you insulting Tasteless are just being ignorant and down right rude to a great, entertaining caster.
Yeah, it's not just this particular case that makes us think that Tasteless doesn't try / know what he's talking about anymore. Tastosis was on the things I really looked forward to about watching SC2 but he's not putting in the time anymore. I'd much rather watch Khaldor who really puts in the effort.
Yeh if you read these LR threads regularly it is a basic roundabout. Some people say Tastless lost his passion and his casting is bad, the next week people are saying that Tasteless has upped his game and it is an enjoyable cast.
I love every cast they do, I admit I love some of their casts more than others but I always find it entertaining and fun to listen to and I don't think it is right to make a hurtful post because Tasteless said something that doesn't agree with a statistic when statistics never give the full story.
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On September 27 2013 20:51 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:49 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:47 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:44 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote: I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is not a new Flash. You were talking about best player in the world, and Mvp certainly isnt it, doesnt matter how much hes won in the past. Name me a more consistent player than Innovation right now? No one is consistently supreme now. But Bomber and Taeja are probably better. As much as I looooooooooooove Bomber. He's is nowhere near better than Innovation. why not? Their tvp is somewhat close, maybe slightly in favour of innovation. Bomber is far better at TvT and innovation is better at TvZ. If anything they are pretty evenly matched at the moment.
Bomber is better TvT. Yes.
TvP he is a one trick pony right now. Pulling ScVs all the time will get figured out, while Innovations does it alot, he can win with any style.
TvZ Innovation is way better.
Also Innovation has just way way way more results under his belt in the last 6 months. Bomber did well at wcs season 1-2 yes. And he got second at RSL...
That's basically it.
Innovation finished high in anything he entered except WCS Season 2 finals.
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On September 27 2013 20:53 ZenithM wrote: Tasteless isn't the best caster in the world after the hellbat nerf :/ since the patch that allowed Grubby to spawn into a cast with full upgrades, any chance of attaining that title is gone.
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Such a mistake not to bring the MSC with the army
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On September 27 2013 20:54 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:52 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote: jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least. tasteless does neither play nor watch SC II much anymore... so no... making him the analytical caster would not help at all. Are you spying on Tasteless's computer or something? Why would you even claim to know such a thing. Weren't you around for the whole "I'd really love to stream sc2, but my computer isn't up to it, so I'll just stream heaps of some other game instead" thing? Plus there's the cringe-making moments in his cast where even the casual watcher knows he doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah we can't definitely prove that he doesn't put in the effort into preparing for his casts by playing / watching so you can give him the benefit of the doubt it you want, but the results speak for themselves.
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Canada16217 Posts
if soo made spines i dont think he could have lost this.
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On September 27 2013 20:54 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:52 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote: jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least. tasteless does neither play nor watch SC II much anymore... so no... making him the analytical caster would not help at all. Are you spying on Tasteless's computer or something? Why would you even claim to know such a thing.
I'm checking his stream. He never streamed SC2 ever.
I'm listening too his casting. He does not know any new trends. He still thinks Zerg should be in the Supply lead against terran at all times, which was true in 2011. He does not know any of the new players he just uses empty buzzwords saying that they are: "really solid"
I love tasteless and I still enjoy a lot of his casting, but nobody else would get away with the gaping knowledge holes he has.
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On September 27 2013 20:52 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote: jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least. tasteless does neither play nor watch SC II much anymore... so no... making him the analytical caster would not help at all.
I figured that could push him into reacquainting himself more with the technical intricacies of the game. Basically a "put up or shut up" situation. To me it feels like he has grown complacent in a cushy gig.
Edit: mutas not auto-win against toss? What is this, TL resorted to hyperbole?
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soooo waht exactly was soo's plan here? there's no way you can kill range phoenixes with pure muta and he still builds muta t.t bad game by soo
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yeye, stand in nexus canon and get freeshots from 3 pheonix
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Also I think tasteless is very smart, if he would play/watch SC2 actively he would know way more about the game/the players.
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Bad game from Soo. I have no idea what his plan to win was.
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On September 27 2013 20:58 robson1 wrote: Also I think tasteless is very smart, if he would play/watch SC2 actively he would know way more about the game/the players. Yeah it's not a lack of talent at all. He just doesn't care enough to put in the time.
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On September 27 2013 20:54 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:51 AxionSteel wrote:On September 27 2013 20:49 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:47 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:44 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote: I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is not a new Flash. You were talking about best player in the world, and Mvp certainly isnt it, doesnt matter how much hes won in the past. Name me a more consistent player than Innovation right now? No one is consistently supreme now. But Bomber and Taeja are probably better. As much as I looooooooooooove Bomber. He's is nowhere near better than Innovation. why not? Their tvp is somewhat close, maybe slightly in favour of innovation. Bomber is far better at TvT and innovation is better at TvZ. If anything they are pretty evenly matched at the moment. Bomber is better TvT. Yes. TvP he is a one trick pony right now. Pulling ScVs all the time will get figured out, while Innovations does it alot, he can win with any style. TvZ Innovation is way better. Also Innovation has just way way way more results under his belt in the last 6 months. Bomber did well at wcs season 1-2 yes. And he got second at RSL... That's basically it. Innovation finished high in anything he entered except WCS Season 2 finals.
Sure he has more consistent results, but watching their play right now (last few months) they look fairly even in terms of skill and performance. I'd say innovation clearly relies on scv pulls vs protoss, if Bomber does, then so does innovation.
Either way, TaeJa is the best terran at the moment 
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On September 27 2013 20:56 NovemberstOrm wrote: if soo made spines i dont think he could have lost this. If he killed the army with a lack of AA that destroyed 3 bases without a Mothership Core for recall with his 20+ Mutas he probably would have won too...
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On September 27 2013 20:54 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:52 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote: jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least. tasteless does neither play nor watch SC II much anymore... so no... making him the analytical caster would not help at all. Are you spying on Tasteless's computer or something? Why would you even claim to know such a thing. Lol, people are always saying this as if it's a perfect defense or something. Look, I like Tasteless, he's cool and I love his casting, I wouldn't replace him with any other guy, but it's pretty clear that he doesn't play nor follow the metagame outside of the games he casts. I'm cool with it, what I like with Tasteless is that his casting flows really well, he's funny, and he actually has really good tactical insight. Like, he has no knowledge of the metagame, the overall strategies or the builds or the players' current strengths and shit, but he quickly sees what a player can do in a given position on a given part of the map with a given set of units. Edit: Yeah, I didn't want to use the world because I don't think I'm qualified to say it, but people used it above: I think Tasteless is just really talented at casting, and that his talent largely offsets what other more motivated casters bring. Especially analytical casters don't bring much to me in a cast, I'm confident that I'll know what's going on without a guy telling me about it. Not like I don't acknowledge that there are excellent analytical casters, obviously.
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