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On September 27 2013 20:46 gobbledydook wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:45 painkilla wrote:
I like how despite so much crying about terran imba, all the terran champions have proved that they all deserved it. For P and Z, not so much. SK MC?
50% of Protoss GSL champs have proven they deserved it 
also contrary to popular belief, Innovation has not won a GSL. he won WCS Season 1 finals.
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On September 27 2013 20:45 painkilla wrote:
I like how despite so much crying about terran imba, all the terran champions have proved that they all deserved it. For P and Z, not so much.
I mean NOW jjakji proved he can be a ro8+ player again but it took him almost 2 full years to get back here.
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On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance.
I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently.
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On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is overhyped. He is not a new Flash.
Such a ridiculous claim. Third at WCG Korea, RO4 last OSL, runner-up at Dreamhack, winning IEM NY KR qualifier and one map away from making it through the Asia Final qualifier are nothing?
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On September 27 2013 20:47 Salient wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:44 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is not a new Flash. You were talking about best player in the world, and Mvp certainly isnt it, doesnt matter how much hes won in the past. Name me a more consistent player than Innovation right now? No one is consistently supreme now. But Bomber and Taeja are probably better.
As much as I looooooooooooove Bomber. He's is nowhere near better than Innovation.
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I like Tasteless, he's still the coolest dude to cast Starcraft.
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tasteless hating on one of my favorite romance films T_T
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On September 27 2013 20:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is overhyped. He is not a new Flash. Such a ridiculous claim. Third at WCG Korea, RO4 last OSL, runner-up at Dreamhack, winning IEM NY KR qualifier and one map away from making it through the Asia Final qualifier are nothing?
yes it's a ridiculous claim some people are just clueless 
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On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently.
Tasteless or Artosis? i agree wholeheartedly if you mean Tasteless (check out his recent cast with Wolf), but i still like them together as well.
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On September 27 2013 20:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is overhyped. He is not a new Flash. Such a ridiculous claim. Third at WCG Korea, RO4 last OSL, runner-up at Dreamhack, winning IEM NY KR qualifier and one map away from making it through the Asia Final qualifier are nothing?
He's very good. But he's not "the best player in the world" anymore without Hellbats. He's very good, but he's not as good as the hype.
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On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently.
Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least.
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On September 27 2013 20:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is overhyped. He is not a new Flash. Such a ridiculous claim. Third at WCG Korea, RO4 last OSL, runner-up at Dreamhack, winning IEM NY KR qualifier and one map away from making it through the Asia Final qualifier are nothing?
Also winning WCS Season 1, and getting second in GSL Code S....
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On September 27 2013 20:50 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Tasteless or Artosis? i agree wholeheartedly if you mean Tasteless (check out his recent cast with Wolf), but i still like them together as well.
i mean tasteless yes.
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On September 27 2013 20:47 KelsierSC wrote:
I think Win-rates aren't the definitive statistic that a lot of people are making it out to be.
You have to look at the quality of the opposition he is playing and also you have to look at the games and what actually happened.
So even though innovation's worst matchup is TvT statistically.part of that is because he is playing the best Koreans and part of it is that crazy series against Maru which I don't think was a fair indicator of the strength of his TvT.
Also I think if you ask anyone about JJakji vs Innovation. They will pick innovation due to recent success and the fact that he has beaten people like Flash in TvT.
So all of you insulting Tasteless are just being ignorant and down right rude to a great, entertaining caster.
Yeah, it's not just this particular case that makes us think that Tasteless doesn't try / know what he's talking about anymore. Tastosis was on the things I really looked forward to about watching SC2 but he's not putting in the time anymore. I'd much rather watch Khaldor who really puts in the effort.
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On September 27 2013 20:49 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:47 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:44 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is not a new Flash. You were talking about best player in the world, and Mvp certainly isnt it, doesnt matter how much hes won in the past. Name me a more consistent player than Innovation right now? No one is consistently supreme now. But Bomber and Taeja are probably better. As much as I looooooooooooove Bomber. He's is nowhere near better than Innovation.
why not? Their tvp is somewhat close, maybe slightly in favour of innovation. Bomber is far better at TvT and innovation is better at TvZ. If anything they are pretty evenly matched at the moment.
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On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least.
tasteless does neither play nor watch SC II much anymore... so no... making him the analytical caster would not help at all.
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On September 27 2013 20:50 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:48 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 20:42 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 NovaMB wrote:On September 27 2013 20:37 Salient wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 VmY wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Salient wrote:
I hope they will stop over-hyping Innovation soon. He's clearly not "the best player in the world" without overpowered hellbats. :p Name a better player equally consistant? :D Mvp and Mvp cant even get out of ro32 in europe, so whats your point? Mvp's 4 GSL titles over 3 years covering many different balance patches > Innovation's 1 GSL title won largely because he was the best at abusing overpowered Hellbats. I'm not kidding, Innovation even said, "when Blizzard nerfed the Hellblat, they nerfed me." The guy is good, but he is not better than the other top pros now that overpowered hellbats are gone. He is overhyped. He is not a new Flash. Such a ridiculous claim. Third at WCG Korea, RO4 last OSL, runner-up at Dreamhack, winning IEM NY KR qualifier and one map away from making it through the Asia Final qualifier are nothing? Also winning WCS Season 1, and getting second in GSL Code S....
Counting only post-Hellbat patch results since, according to Mr. Salient, his success purely relied on it...
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On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least.
It feels like Tasteless is a trapped in an infinite dream with Artosis, where he only knows how to entertain.
Nestea is playing with Tasteless's mind
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On September 27 2013 20:50 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 20:48 NovemberstOrm wrote:On September 27 2013 20:46 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 20:39 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 20:36 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 20:35 Shellshock wrote:
jjakji taking out INnoVation in Inno's alleged best matchup according to tasteless ^^ tasteless really really really does not know his shit anymore. Yup, he's just riding on his glory days / hanging on artosis' coattails at this point. It's actually been shocking for me how much the quality of his casting has deteriorated. I have nothing against him, he seems like a nice person, but lately I've been cringing more than once. Where once the filler jokes and banter were a pleasant interim between technical analysis, it seems like they have become tasteless' entire repertoire. All surface, no substance. I think he'd do better with a different co-caster although that'll never happen permanently. Possible, maybe line him up with a really colorful play by play guy like TB and have him primarily do technical analysis. I'd like to see him try it at least.
I like how some people seem to mildly imply that a caster is either analytical or exciting, as if both things were mutually exclusive.
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Tasteless isn't the best caster in the world after the hellbat nerf :/
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