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Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
September 15 2013 20:33 GMT
#5041
On September 16 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote:
@Startale_Life 17s

Sorry my fan me very chobo

He's talking to Zealously!
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 15 2013 20:33 GMT
#5042
Acer vs TL is the new EG vs TL
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
September 15 2013 20:33 GMT
#5043
I want to see Innovations glorious champagne ceremony.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5044
On September 16 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote:
@Startale_Life 17s

Sorry my fan me very chobo

ouch
(>'.')>
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5045
Is final in 45 minutes?
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5046
On September 16 2013 05:33 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:28 Crot4le wrote:


The way I see it know is that TaeJa will win Dreamhack. It's not that I think he's a better player than INnoVation, in fact I think INnoVation is definitely better overall, I just think that TaeJa is better at TvT so will win against Inno.

innovation is better over all? Taeja has better results vs all races. Innovation was great when hellbats were good, now that Blizz balanced them innovation dropped down.


Moving on from the fact that he's currently #1 while TaeJa is #5 (a difference of 2.2k WCS points) let's analyse the match-ups.

TvZ - INnoVation is better (by a country mile).
TvP - INnoVation is better (only slightly though).
TvT - TaeJa is better (considerably).

I think the main reason people try to make out that TaeJa is better than Inno is because TaeJa is regularly beating him. But that's only because TaeJa is really strong in that match-up whilst it is INnoVation's main weakness.

Country mile is an exaggeration.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5047
I just realized that SVTV player has INSTANT VOD, you can just go back and rewatch the whole event O.o
MMA and Alive you are the best! | Goodbye ST_Sound ~
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5048
On September 16 2013 05:27 Onos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:25 Canucklehead wrote:
Dammit what a poor series by life! Tried for 2 quick wins instead of playing normal. Life isn't back!


Or maybe you can't really play straight against a T at the same level.

It's funny how close this looks to WoL TvZ, except zerg has only one tech path - mutas, while terran has better AoE units which also target air.


It doesnt look like WOL at all ... Z > T in the end of Wold. Unless u think Z > T right now ,;<
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5049
On September 16 2013 05:33 unigolyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:32 sparklyresidue wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:31 unigolyn wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:30 sparklyresidue wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:29 unigolyn wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:27 scaban84 wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:25 TheDwf wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:24 Dingodile wrote:
hahaha
this game is the best example to show how terrible widow mines are. pure randomness.

Yes, Mines were totally the problem this game.

Widowmines are what held Life's all-in which should have killed Taeja's greedy build.


Zerg can't complain about greedy builds, unless it's 3CC before rax.

What


You hatch first 90% of the time, how was Taeja's build greedy? He built enough for defense and got a third CC.

hatch first has been standard in tvz since forever. my question still stands, and without a question mark.


And my response still stands, you can't say a build with starport tech before third is "greedy".

so unless 3 cc before rax, 2 base zerg all in should never hurt terran. ok.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5050
On September 16 2013 05:33 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:28 Crot4le wrote:


The way I see it know is that TaeJa will win Dreamhack. It's not that I think he's a better player than INnoVation, in fact I think INnoVation is definitely better overall, I just think that TaeJa is better at TvT so will win against Inno.

innovation is better over all? Taeja has better results vs all races. Innovation was great when hellbats were good, now that Blizz balanced them innovation dropped down.


Moving on from the fact that he's currently #1 while TaeJa is #5 (a difference of 2.2k WCS points) let's analyse the match-ups.

TvZ - INnoVation is better (by a country mile).
TvP - INnoVation is better (only slightly though).
TvT - TaeJa is better (considerably).

I think the main reason people try to make out that TaeJa is better than Inno is because TaeJa is regularly beating him. But that's only because TaeJa is really strong in that match-up whilst it is INnoVation's main weakness.


Taeja is a TvP god...

He beat Rain without scv all ins...
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5051
On September 16 2013 05:32 VisonKai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote:
@Startale_Life 17s

Sorry my fan me very chobo


This killed me. I am going to cry.


Oh no, poor Life, he got top 4 and got a seed to Dreamhack Winter where the huge prize pool is at.

POOR LIFE. MIGHT AS WELL RETIRE.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1420 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5052
On September 16 2013 05:33 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:28 Crot4le wrote:


The way I see it know is that TaeJa will win Dreamhack. It's not that I think he's a better player than INnoVation, in fact I think INnoVation is definitely better overall, I just think that TaeJa is better at TvT so will win against Inno.

innovation is better over all? Taeja has better results vs all races. Innovation was great when hellbats were good, now that Blizz balanced them innovation dropped down.


Moving on from the fact that he's currently #1 while TaeJa is #5 (a difference of 2.2k WCS points) let's analyse the match-ups.

TvZ - INnoVation is better (by a country mile).
TvP - INnoVation is better (only slightly though).
TvT - TaeJa is better (considerably).

I think the main reason people try to make out that TaeJa is better than Inno is because TaeJa is regularly beating him. But that's only because TaeJa is really strong in that match-up whilst it is INnoVation's main weakness.

I think Taeja is better at TvP than Inno. he manhandled Rain, and sos.

and taeja isn't that much worse at TvZ.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5053
On September 16 2013 05:33 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:28 Crot4le wrote:


The way I see it know is that TaeJa will win Dreamhack. It's not that I think he's a better player than INnoVation, in fact I think INnoVation is definitely better overall, I just think that TaeJa is better at TvT so will win against Inno.

innovation is better over all? Taeja has better results vs all races. Innovation was great when hellbats were good, now that Blizz balanced them innovation dropped down.


Moving on from the fact that he's currently #1 while TaeJa is #5 (a difference of 2.2k WCS points) let's analyse the match-ups.

TvZ - INnoVation is better (by a country mile).
TvP - INnoVation is better (only slightly though).
TvT - TaeJa is better (considerably).

I think the main reason people try to make out that TaeJa is better than Inno is because TaeJa is regularly beating him. But that's only because TaeJa is really strong in that match-up whilst it is INnoVation's main weakness.


TvP they are too different. Innovation loves him some scv pulls or kiling Toss before 3 base. Taeja can pull out the ultra late game.
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Nothera
Profile Joined March 2013
Czech Republic14 Posts
September 15 2013 20:34 GMT
#5054
Widow mines to rule them all!
Wings of liberty - terran OP and zerg OP, HoTS terran OP and zerg OP...can't wait for Legacy of Void..hahahhaha
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
September 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#5055
On September 16 2013 05:33 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:28 Crot4le wrote:


The way I see it know is that TaeJa will win Dreamhack. It's not that I think he's a better player than INnoVation, in fact I think INnoVation is definitely better overall, I just think that TaeJa is better at TvT so will win against Inno.

innovation is better over all? Taeja has better results vs all races. Innovation was great when hellbats were good, now that Blizz balanced them innovation dropped down.


Moving on from the fact that he's currently #1 while TaeJa is #5 (a difference of 2.2k WCS points) let's analyse the match-ups.

TvZ - INnoVation is better (by a country mile).
TvP - INnoVation is better (only slightly though).
TvT - TaeJa is better (considerably).

I think the main reason people try to make out that TaeJa is better than Inno is because TaeJa is regularly beating him. But that's only because TaeJa is really strong in that match-up whilst it is INnoVation's main weakness.


Also people cannot forget that INnoVation can also beat TaeJa. Its not like it will be a clear 3-0 from the start. It could also go INnoVation 3-0, its just not as likely.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
75
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany4057 Posts
September 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#5056
On September 16 2013 05:33 Necosarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote:
@Startale_Life 17s

Sorry my fan me very chobo

He's talking to Zealously!

i guess he is already whining in a corner and wont read you comment
yo twitch, as long as I can watch 480p lagfree I'm happy
TaishiCi
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)211 Posts
September 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#5057
I wish I was here earlier to read and respond to (what I'm assuming) was a Korean bash fest.
However, GOGO Taeja! finish off the summer strong!
Also dominate DHack winter Koreans!!!
Dae Han Min Gook Man Sae!!!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#5058
On September 16 2013 05:33 Necosarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote:
@Startale_Life 17s

Sorry my fan me very chobo

He's talking to Zealously!

Nah, he's just very direct, he's speaking to every fan.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
September 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#5059
On September 16 2013 05:31 ShroudeD wrote:
40 mins delay?Holy shit i have school tomorrow :S


40? That's the time when it's scheduled to go on air on TV. What a fortunate coincidence.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
September 15 2013 20:35 GMT
#5060
On September 16 2013 05:33 Crot4le wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2013 05:29 Sub40APM wrote:
On September 16 2013 05:28 Crot4le wrote:


The way I see it know is that TaeJa will win Dreamhack. It's not that I think he's a better player than INnoVation, in fact I think INnoVation is definitely better overall, I just think that TaeJa is better at TvT so will win against Inno.

innovation is better over all? Taeja has better results vs all races. Innovation was great when hellbats were good, now that Blizz balanced them innovation dropped down.


Moving on from the fact that he's currently #1 while TaeJa is #5 (a difference of 2.2k WCS points) let's analyse the match-ups.

TvZ - INnoVation is better (by a country mile).
TvP - INnoVation is better (only slightly though).
TvT - TaeJa is better (considerably).

I think the main reason people try to make out that TaeJa is better than Inno is because TaeJa is regularly beating him. But that's only because TaeJa is really strong in that match-up whilst it is INnoVation's main weakness.

Hmm, I'd say TvP is equal, TvT TaeJa is better, TvZ Innovation is better.
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