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styLesdavis
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany833 Posts
September 12 2013 06:04 GMT
#41
Snute <Neo Planet S> INnoVation
HerO <Whirlwind LE> Nerchio
TaeJa <Akilon Wastes> INnoVation
TaeJa <Bel'Shir Vestige LE> MMA
TLO <Derelict Watcher TE> Bly
Ret <Newkirk Precinct TE> ParanOid

I really don`t know why TL did choose those matchups.
I am fine with HerO against Nerchio even though the polish zerg is
truly capable of winning. Why not send Taeja against Bly and MMA
and after for that Snute against another foreign zerg (paranoid).
Just let TLO and Ret do their best against iRobot and take what you can get.

LiquidTLO - LiquidTaeja - LiquidHero - LiquidSnute - LiquidRet
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12680 Posts
September 12 2013 06:06 GMT
#42
is zenio retired?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 12 2013 06:07 GMT
#43
On September 12 2013 15:06 ETisME wrote:
is zenio retired?

No he played in the WB finals

I feel like Liquid definitely has the upper hand in this one but it should be a really interesting and close finals. Good luck to both teams!
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sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
September 12 2013 06:28 GMT
#44
Nooo MMA being made to play yet another TvT against Taeja of all people

That aside, it's going to be a great match! Hope it goes to game 7
Year of MaxPax
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
September 12 2013 06:34 GMT
#45
I am kind of surprised at the decisions of Liquid.

Snute against innovation and Hero vs Nerchio is not as surprising but i didn´t expect that they throw teaja against innovation.

With this draw it is possible that liquid faces a 1-3 situation with TLO and Ret left and two zvz with the master of randomness, Bly.

What could be interesting is the potential ace match. usually you would expect Hero vs MMA but it is Star Station so Acer could try a gamble with a zerg which would be a huge coin flip because of HerovZ which looks top notch right now.

In the end it will depend on MMA and Innovation, if Innovation loses a map against Snute or Teaja and we are going 2-2 in the 5th map i dont see acer winning.

4-2 Liquid
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 06:55:35
September 12 2013 06:49 GMT
#46
On September 12 2013 05:08 URLateral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 12 2013 05:06 Gemini_19 wrote:
On September 12 2013 04:58 CrazyBirdman wrote:
All those match-ups besides Innovation vs Snute are very close, with HerO being slightly favored against Nerchio and TaeJa against MMA. The ZvZs could go either way. If it comes to the ace-match I think HerO would be the favorite to take it.


HerO SLIGHTLY over Nerchio? He's going to poop all over him. HerO's PvZ is on another world.

Nerchios best matchup is zvp though


It's by far his worst statistically. I just looked it up on Aligulac.

HerO is heavily favored against Nerchio. If Taeja beats Innovation then I don't see Acer taking this. But the prospect of a HerO ace match (where he'd be favored against whoever is chosen to play, likely MMA) is getting me SUPER EXCITED

On September 12 2013 06:11 Nerchio wrote:
I am kidding guys just read few comments above about Hero destroying me, If I happen to be playing well that day it will be a good game


THAT is what I like to hear
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Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany826 Posts
September 12 2013 07:27 GMT
#47
Hrm... I think this will be either decided in those 2 foreigner-only zvzs or it goes to the ace match.
I don't see Snute winning vs Innovation (although I'd love too!), HerO is probably going to win, and I think Taeja will win ONE game of his 2 tvt's, but not both.

"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
Micro_Jackson
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2002 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-12 07:58:30
September 12 2013 07:57 GMT
#48
On September 12 2013 06:11 Nerchio wrote:
I am kidding guys just read few comments above about Hero destroying me, If I happen to be playing well that day it will be a good game


I think we need more trash talk in Team Leagues. Not "it will be a good game" more "pff Hero easy..."
BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 12 2013 08:04 GMT
#49
A lot of pressure on Taeja here for sure. Without him taking atleast 1 win this is going to be hard. TLO/Ret vs Bly/Paranoid can go either way, Innovation shockingly favoured over Snute and Hero over Nerchio..
If it goes to the ace match Liquid probably gonna go with Hero, no Innovation to stop him and even though MMA is now kind of good against Toss, Hero is still to good.
Gogo Liquid 4-2/4-3!
styLesdavis
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany833 Posts
September 12 2013 09:08 GMT
#50
This draw really shows us that Team Liquid really needs another top terran or toss in their
lineup. I am really frightened why they send another foreign zerg against innovation but after
thinking about it for a few seconds i`ll have to admit that they have no other option as you don`t want
HerO to face him (or Taeja twice). Its just that i would have put Ret against him, so that Snute could get
another ZvZ.
LiquidTLO - LiquidTaeja - LiquidHero - LiquidSnute - LiquidRet
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
September 12 2013 09:10 GMT
#51
Well, it could be that Snute has a sickening snipe build prepared for Innovation. Guess we'll have to see :D
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styLesdavis
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany833 Posts
September 12 2013 09:32 GMT
#52
On September 12 2013 18:10 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Well, it could be that Snute has a sickening snipe build prepared for Innovation. Guess we'll have to see :D


I already thought that right before their matchup in the semi-finals
but everyone knows how that went in the end....
LiquidTLO - LiquidTaeja - LiquidHero - LiquidSnute - LiquidRet
Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
September 12 2013 10:22 GMT
#53
Close finals, will likely go to 4-3 . The question is, can Acer use INnoVation as an ace when he already plays twice? If so then probably Acer will take it, if not then they have to send Nerchio/MMA in which case I give the advantage to TL.

Great matches incoming!
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
September 12 2013 12:38 GMT
#54
On September 12 2013 05:30 Nerchio wrote:
Hero is going to poop all over me


rofl - well played
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
styLesdavis
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany833 Posts
September 12 2013 13:31 GMT
#55
On September 12 2013 19:22 Ender985 wrote:
Close finals, will likely go to 4-3 . The question is, can Acer use INnoVation as an ace when he already plays twice? If so then probably Acer will take it, if not then they have to send Nerchio/MMA in which case I give the advantage to TL.

Great matches incoming!


This is no real question. We have already stated a couple of times that you can`t use players for the ace match
who have already played twice during the first six sets. A possible ace match would be HerO vs Nerchio/MMA.

LiquidTLO - LiquidTaeja - LiquidHero - LiquidSnute - LiquidRet
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26253 Posts
September 12 2013 14:20 GMT
#56
Really looking forward to this, wish we saw more stock put into teamleagues outside of Korea
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Magashi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States164 Posts
September 12 2013 14:52 GMT
#57
Should have just sacrificed two people to inno and then get the higher chance wins ._.

anyway gl TL!
HerO | Taeja
Cubikill
Profile Joined March 2012
United States31 Posts
September 12 2013 15:46 GMT
#58
I think people are really underestimating how good Liquid picked the draws.
Snute <Neo Planet S> INnoVation
INnoVation will win, there is no other outcome. With that said I have to think Snute will cheese with a fast Roach/Bane all in. It's also on Neo Planet S so you don't have to scout to cheese, heck we may even so like 10pool bane allin.
Score 1-0 Acer

HerO <Whirlwind LE> Nerchio
HerO should win easily. HerO is an emotional player, which is both good and bad, but he has been looking stupid good in PvZ. There was a reason he was rookie of the year in Proleague.
Score 1-1

TaeJa <Akilon Wastes> INnoVation
This looks like it should be close but I don't think so. Reason 1: INnoVation looks week in TvT. His recently he lost to Ryung, Taeja, and Heart. While Taeja has lost in a close 5-2 to Bomber who has arguable the best TvT in the world. Taeja also has the best Bio vs Mech in the world and given the map INnoVation going Mech would be standard.
Score 2-1 Liquid

TaeJa <Bel'Shir Vestige LE> MMA
Taeja wins for all the reasons above, also the last few time they have battled Taeja has come out on top. Taeja also has the second best Bio Tank play right behind Bomber.
Score 3-1 Liquid

TLO <Derelict Watcher TE> Bly
I feel like TLO has played better then Bly. In the Past TLO has beaten very good Korean Zergs. But It's a ZvZ so flip a coin.
Also Bly is good and has a lot of Zergs to play with(scarlet not being one of them right now, come back soon!)
Score 4-1 Liquid wins, but it's a ZvZ so maybe not.

Ret <Newkirk Precinct TE> ParanOid
This match feels like the other ZvZ. Ret is once again playing SC2 and is excited about his new hotkey setup. And I have no idea about ParanOid except that he is not as good as Bly.
Score 4-2 Liquid.

Ace Match:
HerO <> MMA
HerO wins the last few times these two have meet HerO has won easily. MMA has not looked good in TvP now or really ever.
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metroid composite
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada231 Posts
September 12 2013 15:50 GMT
#59
On September 12 2013 23:52 Magashi wrote:
Should have just sacrificed two people to inno and then get the higher chance wins ._.

anyway gl TL!

I dunno, if they sac two people to innovation, then they need to win all of their other games. Paranoid they can probably deal with, but Nerchio can take a game off of anyone, MMA can take a game off of anyone, and Bly is the king of random. Like...all three of them would be predicted to have 20%-30% odds I guess, but needing a 3-0 is still rough in that situation. (And even if you throw Hero, Taeja, Taeja against those three, that leaves Snute/Paranoid, and Paranoid has a nonzero chance of winning that; he did beat Revival to close out the series against EG).

The way they've done it is fine. If Hero wins, and Taeja wins two TvTs, it's very unlikely that they lose. If Taeja wins one TvT, they still have a very good chance to take it to the ace match, where they should be favoured.
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metroid composite
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada231 Posts
September 12 2013 16:31 GMT
#60
Although...if there is a mistake in TL's lineup, it's that putting Taeja into two TVTs means that Innovation and MMA can practice against each other, discuss Taeja's replays with each other, discuss builds to counter Taeja with each other. If Taeja goes 0-2 suddenly things look extremely rough for Liquid.
Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision
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