EPTInnovation's vZ is boring when you compare it to that game on whirlwind :3
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Innovation's vZ is boring when you compare it to that game on whirlwind :3 | ||
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Rhaegal
United States678 Posts
On September 10 2013 21:51 lolfail9001 wrote: Innovation's vZ is boring when you compare it to that game on whirlwind :3 Innovation is magnitudes better at TvZ than any other Terran in history. You are forgetting about the general skill of players raising. If you watch early GSL games you'll notice they play worse than most masters players now. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On September 10 2013 22:07 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation is magnitudes better at TvZ than any other Terran in history. You are forgetting about the general skill of players raising. If you watch early GSL games you'll notice they play worse than most masters players now. Innovation IS better. But his games are boring and show the worst side of TvZ there is aka boring, monotonous battle of mechanics. Also, i think most of players will agree that DRG was pretty close to his peak during that game on whirlwind and his only error was going broodlord festor on whirlwind :D | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On September 10 2013 22:07 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation is magnitudes better at TvZ than any other Terran in history. You are forgetting about the general skill of players raising. If you watch early GSL games you'll notice they play worse than most masters players now. He wasn't calling innovation unskilled, he called it boring. People miss Marine/Tank/Medivac vs Muta/Ling/Bling | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 10 2013 22:07 Rhaegal wrote: If you watch early GSL games you'll notice they play worse than most masters players now. How early are we talking about? If it's just out of the beta then you're probably right but past like mid 2011 I would really disagree with that. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ladysman09
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On September 10 2013 22:12 lolfail9001 wrote: Innovation IS better. But his games are boring and show the worst side of TvZ there is aka boring, monotonous battle of mechanics. Also, i think most of players will agree that DRG was pretty close to his peak during that game on whirlwind and his only error was going broodlord festor on whirlwind :D The longer strats are developed, the nearer they get to the optimal, best strategy. Watching a RTS game and call it boring when the skill gets higher is imo just stupid. Why even watch it in the first place, to whine on a forum? I would just switch games, cause with better scouting from the players the 10% mech vs Z / strange gateway 2 forge style against Z / chargelot archon against T etc. will just disappear leaving standard play. Tldr: With better scouting expect seeing almost only standard builds. | ||
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1raxexpand
United States165 Posts
On September 10 2013 22:07 Rhaegal wrote: Innovation is magnitudes better at TvZ than any other Terran in history. You are forgetting about the general skill of players raising. If you watch early GSL games you'll notice they play worse than most masters players now. If you're saying that most masters play better than MMA, DRG, Mvp in 2011 then gtfo. | ||
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Green_25
Great Britain696 Posts
On September 11 2013 02:19 gingerfluffmuff wrote: The longer strats are developed, the nearer they get to the optimal, best strategy. Watching a RTS game and call it boring when the skill gets higher is imo just stupid. Why even watch it in the first place, to whine on a forum? I would just switch games, cause with better scouting from the players the 10% mech vs Z / strange gateway 2 forge style against Z / chargelot archon against T etc. will just disappear leaving standard play. Tldr: With better scouting expect seeing almost only standard builds. Yeah its stupid. Crazy mechanics are why I watch Starcraft. Funky tactics are cool but you can see them at any level. | ||
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openbox1
1393 Posts
Yes, he wins everytime with widow mine and rines/rauders, but come on, its constant pressure and constant action. I love watching his mechanics and vs a top Zerg like Soulkey, and now DRG, its a constant action fest all across the map. Now people are saying mechanics are boring? Well, you can watch lower league players use BCs, Thors and what not higher tier units, but me, I'm just entertained by the 20-30 min slug fest. And now that Inno's not infallible, its even more entertaining. | ||
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1raxexpand
United States165 Posts
On September 11 2013 09:34 openbox1 wrote: Everytime I see people say that Inno's TvZ is boring, I'm just bowled over. Yes, he wins everytime with widow mine and rines/rauders, but come on, its constant pressure and constant action. I love watching his mechanics and vs a top Zerg like Soulkey, and now DRG, its a constant action fest all across the map. Now people are saying mechanics are boring? Well, you can watch lower league players use BCs, Thors and what not higher tier units, but me, I'm just entertained by the 20-30 min slug fest. And now that Inno's not infallible, its even more entertaining. It only applied to Innovation's 4M TvZ. His WoL biotank TvZ was breathtaking. | ||
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SAFenix
Canada439 Posts
On September 11 2013 02:48 1raxexpand wrote: If you're saying that most masters play better than MMA, DRG, Mvp in 2011 then gtfo. I think he's saying that if we, at this point in time, teleported a Masters player back to that period, the skill level would be roughly the same. Although the skill gap does decrease, I still don't think ANY Masters player now can be compared to MMA, Mvp, etc. back in 2011. Unless INnoVation or Rain are somehow Masters and not GM. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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XiaoJoyce-
China2908 Posts
On September 11 2013 16:47 Dodgin wrote: Just watched Hyvaa vs Innovation, Hyvaa's macro games are pretty good huh. Seems like he's a complete player. He fought against Flash, many times.. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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