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Lets go ForGG,its time to kick some asses ! (especially the blond haired one ) After this IEM qualification he seems on top of his games,i believe he will end up first of the group.
Second will probably be nani but my hopes are on ToD,GOTOD !
Feels strange a terran like forgg would have a hard time against zerg, especially a EU zerg. But I havent seen his TvZ vfor a long time so I suppose I will have to take the casters word for it.
I think that forGG/Nani makes it out, but wouldn't be surprised if either ToD or Targa went on to Ro16. I want ToD to cast the finals though, that is as far as I could let him go.
On September 04 2013 01:10 Fjodorov wrote: Feels strange a terran like forgg would have a hard time against zerg, especially a EU zerg. But I havent seen his TvZ vfor a long time so I suppose I will have to take the casters word for it.
Most recently, he beat Nerchio in the IEM NY qualifier. He didn't go for the standard 3 base 4M parade push, but instead went for very aggressive 2 base builds. Crushed Nerchio, but didn't give us enough to judge his TvZ realy.
On September 04 2013 01:22 shid0x wrote: can zerg even win ZvP anymore ? I'm a terran player so my knowledge on this race is low but...jesus.
instant sky toss is still a bit rarely used by most tosses, so the experience of Zergies is quiet low against it. I mean they usually go hydra and stay on them against a full teched toss. Don't think it will stay this dominant for long, but Zergs will need a bit of time to adapt. But I do think it will stay viable as it prevents the Swarmhost play a bit.
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On September 04 2013 01:22 shid0x wrote: can zerg even win ZvP anymore ? I'm a terran player so my knowledge on this race is low but...jesus.
Don't go mass ling against +1 zealot/archon, easy as that.
This build also stop roach/hydra from what i saw against nerchio and others.
It doesn't .. TargA just played awful.. Doing nothing with his lings, he had nowhere near enough units to deny Naniwa's third or deffend his. I really fail to see his gameplan there ..
On September 04 2013 01:22 shid0x wrote: can zerg even win ZvP anymore ? I'm a terran player so my knowledge on this race is low but...jesus.
Don't go mass ling against +1 zealot/archon, easy as that.
This build also stop roach/hydra from what i saw against nerchio and others.
3 stargate void ray builds are kinda weak against A. good ZvPer (ala JD at WCS season 2 finals) B. mutas into corruptors liike Soulkey did against sOs. C. Against 'Go fucking kill him' by zerg. IMO.
outsch poor Targa. But expanding aggressively against this Protoss build instead of sitting a bit longer on 3 base and grab the save backdoor one is a tad bit to greedy.
Also go go Targa ! (to bad mutas don't work on this map though)
Imagine if Targa, instead of going for those 20+ extra lings after denying that third the first time, goes for 10 drones and roach warren or hydra den. He holds the attack on his third, and just wins from there.
With college football starting back up, I just thought of an interesting idea for WCS. What if we had a "top 25" or even top 50 ranking for players based on their WCS points and had that number next to their name for their matches? You could update their rank once every week or after a major event ends or something. Imagine instead of just Bomber vs Naniwa we could have #3 Bomber vs #12 Naniwa, making the matches appear even bigger than they are. And then when an unranked player takes a series off a top player, it would make for good and interesting headlines/ possibly generate more interest from casual viewers
On September 04 2013 01:32 Gojira621 wrote: With college football starting back up, I just thought of an interesting idea for WCS. What if we had a "top 25" or even top 50 ranking for players based on their WCS points and had that number next to their name for their matches? You could update their rank once every week or after a major event ends or something. Imagine instead of just Bomber vs Naniwa we could have #3 Bomber vs #12 Naniwa, making the matches appear even bigger than they are. And then when an unranked player takes a series off a top player, it would make for good and interesting headlines/ possibly generate more interest from casual viewers
Well we have the ranking, they showed the player's ranks earlier, it's Naniwa#12 vs Targa#131. They could put the numbers next to their name I guess.
Jeez Apollo, oversell Targa's position much? only a 40 supply gap right now and no real counter to the voids at the moment. I'm not sure Naniwa is any more than just a little bit behind.
On September 04 2013 01:41 Jampackedeon wrote: Jeez Apollo, oversell Targa's position much? only a 40 supply gap right now and no real counter to the voids at the moment. I'm not sure Naniwa is any more than just a little bit behind.
On September 04 2013 01:41 Jampackedeon wrote: Jeez Apollo, oversell Targa's position much? only a 40 supply gap right now and no real counter to the voids at the moment. I'm not sure Naniwa is any more than just a little bit behind.
Because Hydralisks and Infestors are going to be on the board way before Storm can ever be ready.
On September 04 2013 01:43 Darrkhan wrote: wow voidrays are big joke..
They are... when you have no anti-air. All anti-air Targa had in that thing was few queens, very few hydras and few infestors. And infestors do not have letter 'w'/
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On September 04 2013 01:45 openbox1 wrote: lol kinda fitting. With the infestors, Zerg player doesn't seem to have the apm to stutter step, fungal and split. Terrans must be laughing.
Don't forget that right now infestors have two pretty useless spells: infested terrans and neural. Neither of them is very cost effective to start with, but in the late game vP the upgrade difference just totally makes it impossible to execute. I really think the infestor needs some love, but it isn't as if Targa wasn't also playing with bad compositions.s
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On September 04 2013 01:55 Brutaxilos wrote: What a boring as shit game.
Protoss deathball for ya!
Swarm Host/Brood Lord/Queen/Infestor for ya!
At least it has more than 1 caster :D
Lol ok Queen is caster, then protoss had 4 casters there and zerg 2.
Transfuses are casts that require clicking. I did not see FFs thrown there after certain mark, mommacore is 2 clicks and can be considered half of a caster(cause only 1) and then templars. Yes, toss has ton of units with abilities, yet all i usually see is usage of abilities that do not require active mouse usage and templar usage. Also, i am just bitter at how hard Targa threw the game D:
On September 04 2013 01:55 Brutaxilos wrote: What a boring as shit game.
Protoss deathball for ya!
Swarm Host/Brood Lord/Queen/Infestor for ya!
At least it has more than 1 caster :D
Lol ok Queen is caster, then protoss had 4 casters there and zerg 2.
Transfuses are casts that require clicking. I did not see FFs thrown there after certain mark, mommacore is 2 clicks and can be considered half of a caster(cause only 1) and then templars. Yes, toss has ton of units with abilities, yet all i usually see is usage of abilities that do not require active mouse usage and templar usage. Also, i am just bitter at how hard Targa threw the game D:
That only applies to guardian shield... Blink alone needs more mouse usage than any zerg abilities.
On September 04 2013 01:56 lolfail9001 wrote: [quote] Protoss deathball for ya!
Swarm Host/Brood Lord/Queen/Infestor for ya!
At least it has more than 1 caster :D
NaNiwa had Sentries and Templars
did he use more than 1 :D?
He used the Mothership Core, Guardian Shield, Storms and Feedbacks...
And blinks.
And Zealot Charge!
You forgot a-click!
Just admit that your "Protoss deathball" statement was silly already, jeez =P
But it is deathball and it is boring to watch! Only thing i will admit is that drawn-out games because of Naniwa being too careful and Targa throwing suck.
On September 04 2013 01:57 Sated wrote: [quote] Swarm Host/Brood Lord/Queen/Infestor for ya!
At least it has more than 1 caster :D
NaNiwa had Sentries and Templars
did he use more than 1 :D?
He used the Mothership Core, Guardian Shield, Storms and Feedbacks...
And blinks.
And Zealot Charge!
You forgot a-click!
Just admit that your "Protoss deathball" statement was silly already, jeez =P
But it is deathball and it is boring to watch! Only thing i will admit is that drawn-out games because of Naniwa being too careful and Targa throwing suck.
Atleast Naniwa attacks at multiple places and harass...
On September 04 2013 02:09 jubil wrote: So uh, can any protoss tell me why ToD didn't just 4 gate after seeing wall-in and either scouting or guessing CC from forgg
Because ForGG's walled and may have made more than one barracks? Bunker's already up and ToD felt he at least had a soft contain, so he could expand behind it safely (thanks to mothership core).
On September 04 2013 02:09 jubil wrote: So uh, can any protoss tell me why ToD didn't just 4 gate after seeing wall-in and either scouting or guessing CC from forgg
Didn't forGG have a SCV in ToD's main? A scouted 4 gate is really, really bad.
Also that reactor opening suggests factory, which means widow mines. ForGG would probably have held easy.
On September 04 2013 02:09 jubil wrote: So uh, can any protoss tell me why ToD didn't just 4 gate after seeing wall-in and either scouting or guessing CC from forgg
Guess what, you can actually defend a 4G while getting a single CC. Especially with the early gas-facto he opened with.(If you couldn't get to two bases/CCs vs 4G, the game would be kinda silly)
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On September 04 2013 02:23 Larkin wrote: Dyou think Tod would have won if he didn't open with the proxy? I feel he came close in that game a few times.
On September 04 2013 02:22 Nebuchad wrote: This style is pretty interesting actually.
Is it more important to counter zealots with the hellbats, or to counter archons with the ghosts?
Is there really no way to do both?
There is, but ghosts counter zealots on their own just fine in large numbers.
There's a difference between "doing well vs zealots" and "annihilating zealots"
There is difference: doing well against all protoss units in game except well-microed warp prism with HTs and collosi and annihilating zealots and probes.
On September 04 2013 02:22 Nebuchad wrote: This style is pretty interesting actually.
Is it more important to counter zealots with the hellbats, or to counter archons with the ghosts?
Is there really no way to do both?
I believe you can do both but it mostly depends on your playstyle (ie do you prefer having to deal with chargelots or archon ? )
Polt also used a similar style in wol (minus the hellbat ofc) and it was pretty good but since it has its limitation it is quite a lot micro/multitasking intensive.
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On September 04 2013 02:23 Larkin wrote: Dyou think Tod would have won if he didn't open with the proxy? I feel he came close in that game a few times.
Yeah, it's just another case of Hellbats/Marauders winning thanks to a huge eco advantage (graph); in a more even game it would be much worse.
On September 04 2013 02:23 Larkin wrote: Dyou think Tod would have won if he didn't open with the proxy? I feel he came close in that game a few times.
Yeah, it's just another case of Hellbats/Marauders winning thanks to a huge eco advantage (graph); in a more even game it would be much worse.
On September 04 2013 02:23 Larkin wrote: Dyou think Tod would have won if he didn't open with the proxy? I feel he came close in that game a few times.
Yeah, it's just another case of Hellbats/Marauders winning thanks to a huge eco advantage (graph); in a more even game it would be much worse.
It's not like any terran composition in PvT works without eco advantage, sometimes huge one.
On September 04 2013 02:23 Larkin wrote: Dyou think Tod would have won if he didn't open with the proxy? I feel he came close in that game a few times.
Yeah, it's just another case of Hellbats/Marauders winning thanks to a huge eco advantage (graph); in a more even game it would be much worse.
It's not like any terran composition in PvT works without eco advantage, sometimes huge one.
True, but Hellbats/Marauders tends to be particularly wasteful.
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On September 04 2013 02:23 Larkin wrote: Dyou think Tod would have won if he didn't open with the proxy? I feel he came close in that game a few times.
Yeah, it's just another case of Hellbats/Marauders winning thanks to a huge eco advantage (graph); in a more even game it would be much worse.
It's not like any terran composition in PvT works without eco advantage, sometimes huge one.
True, but Hellbats/Marauders tends to be particularly wasteful.
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If your stream lags, try to change the url to nl.twitch.tv. I did and the stuttering stopped on High.
That being said, twitch is fucking ridiculous. 100 mbit connection and I can barely watch medium quality at times. And the chat randomly stops working as well. Time to boycott twitch?
On September 04 2013 02:41 Necosarius wrote: If your stream lags, try to change the url to nl.twitch.tv. I did and the stuttering stopped on High.
That being said, twitch is fucking ridiculous. 100 mbit connection and I can barely watch medium quality at times. And the chat randomly stops working as well. Time to boycott twitch?
On September 04 2013 02:41 Necosarius wrote: If your stream lags, try to change the url to nl.twitch.tv. I did and the stuttering stopped on High.
That being said, twitch is fucking ridiculous. 100 mbit connection and I can barely watch medium quality at times. And the chat randomly stops working as well. Time to boycott twitch?
We should go to GameCreds !
I approve, they only need to make mid-stream adverts working.
On September 04 2013 02:43 Heartland wrote: Tell me more about how Nani crushed Targa. It is like music to my ears.
I will just describe game 2 as i have seen it: Targa goes 3 hatch gas before pool, nani fails to punish it. Targa makes roaches against zealot-sentry-archon with few voids (from 1 stargate), misses his timing, Nani maxes out with around 10 void rays and goes attacking. Turns out that targa forgot to make hydras, targa proceeds to lose army , 3rd (that was hive). After that 20 minute death animation.
On September 04 2013 01:51 DJHelium wrote: "You video seems to be stuttering..."
Yes, because of you twitch.
I have not been able to spectate in a resolution above low since the change (not really sure what "the change" was but they did get additional servers) and even that one stutters. I don't understand computer tech' stuff but I'm pretty sure that an investment like that should make things better, not worse. It just doesn't feel as appealing to tune in anymore. :/
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On September 04 2013 02:53 Aeromi wrote: How do you manage to scout this build ? Downfall I need your help !
With luck called noticing the pylon. Also, difference between luci and forgg: luci has 6 empty bunkers. Forgg has 1 full bunker with ton of scvs+marines :D
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On September 04 2013 02:54 Strawhat wrote: that was an exact repeat from their game in the IEM qualifiers, including the ragequit from nani
Just a little bit different, since the first time he played this build he left with "thank your korean gods that i'm lagging" instead of a silent ragequit :p
On September 04 2013 02:57 ImperialFist wrote: Time to pull out the blink all-in?
Nah, macro game. Nani kinda rolled ForGG in macro game on this map yesterday.
Ohh now I get you, Naniwa is very good according to you, but when he plays vs Zerg his skills completely disappears, but he still wins, but only because Zerg race is weak.
On September 04 2013 02:57 ImperialFist wrote: Time to pull out the blink all-in?
Nah, macro game. Nani kinda rolled ForGG in macro game on this map yesterday.
Ohh now I get you, Naniwa is very good according to you, but when he plays vs Zerg his skills completely disappears, but he still wins, but only because Zerg is weak.
No, Naniwa is actually really good. And his vZ build is kinda awesome. I just do not like zergs throwing the games and tad bit upset about this.
On September 04 2013 02:53 Aeromi wrote: How do you manage to scout this build ? Downfall I need your help !
Didn't watch carefully the beginning, was it a fake expand Immortal bust? (Like 26-28 probes, no saturation at natural?)
25 probes.
If you open with a Reaper you can see the earlier robo, or an Immortal, or the lack of saturation at the natural. With CC first, either a Marine poke or a scan at the natural to see it's empty. The fact the map has backdoor rocks should raise alarms for the possibility of an Immortal bust.
terrible archon micro... jeez. he could have saved the first archon so easily. but noooo 1a with his attackgroup again. mistakes like this boggle my mind...
On September 04 2013 03:08 Sated wrote: I don't understand how ForGG won that fight after eating several Storms and having no answer for the Colossi..?
On September 04 2013 03:08 Sated wrote: I don't understand how ForGG won that fight after eating several Storms and having no answer for the Colossi..?
yea this is just pissing me off about pvt even more, time to turn it off
On September 04 2013 03:08 Sated wrote: I don't understand how ForGG won that fight after eating several Storms and having no answer for the Colossi..?
On September 04 2013 03:08 Sated wrote: I don't understand how ForGG won that fight after eating several Storms and having no answer for the Colossi..?
High medivac count + mostly marauder/hellbat + low amount of meatshield for Naniwa.
On September 04 2013 03:08 Sated wrote: I don't understand how ForGG won that fight after eating several Storms and having no answer for the Colossi..?
yea this is just pissing me off about pvt even more, time to turn it off
he didn't have that much to defend with and got some hts emp'd. ForGG had lots of marauders/enough hellbats to tank the colossi damage. He also had something like 7-8 medivacs as well.
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On September 04 2013 03:13 DOUDOU wrote: even though he lost, it's impressing how forgg keeps eating storms games after games and still be so good because sick macro
i'd like to see bomber - forgg
Damn, that match should be sick, though forgg did lose to Mvp, so bomber is clear favorite.
On September 04 2013 03:20 Green_25 wrote: The reason storms don't seem as effective against Forgg is because high marauder/hellbat/medivac count. Colossus is the answer
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On September 04 2013 03:30 Sated wrote: These constant doom drops have really done for NaNiwa. I don't understand the decision not to have Templar/Chargelots waiting for the drops after they first started happening. That cost NaNiwa the game.
It was gg since Naniwa went away from his base. He could stay longer in this game if didnt go away but with 3 vs 5base you will lose.
On September 04 2013 03:30 Sated wrote: These constant doom drops have really done for NaNiwa. I don't understand the decision not to have Templar/Chargelots waiting for the drops after they first started happening. That cost NaNiwa the game.
some defense would have been nice, but if it would have been only chargelots a hellbat would have dropped out and melted them, so Archon would have been needed to defend. Naniwa was to comfortable with his scouting against drops and thought he could defend with warp ins. Which is probably true against any other Terran except ForGG and his at the moment rather unique unit composition.
On September 04 2013 03:31 packrat386 wrote: Damn, hoping naniwa can get through.
No worries, there is no threat left for NaNi in this group
Nani got good at rock paper scissors?
Jep he absorbed Duckdeoks RPS skill, but that doesn't help again Targa. But if ToD wins everything would be open. But GSL format forces Naniwa to lose against Targa if they meet again.
On September 04 2013 03:31 ImperialFist wrote: ForGG crushing Naniwa in that game 3, big difference in class. Wp
No, as I said before, Nani will be crushed if goes away from his base. Exactly this happened. It ss one of many fundamental sc2 problems.
Naniwa lost game way before. ForGG was just making it closer :D
Not really, Naniwa made it closer because he stayed at his home, if he went away earlier then it was already gg. Staying at home was the only one way to "survive".
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On September 04 2013 03:53 Larkin wrote: 6 charged void rays take over 5 seconds to kill a queen that's being transfused, looks so silly.
ToD doesn't know how to harass, it seems.
Queens are not armored, have 4 armor against 7 damage per attack void rays. 6 void rays were doing only 36 DPS, hell you did not need to transfuse the queen to make her last 5 seconds.
On September 04 2013 03:53 Larkin wrote: 6 charged void rays take over 5 seconds to kill a queen that's being transfused, looks so silly.
ToD doesn't know how to harass, it seems.
Queens are not armored, have 4 armor against 7 damage per attack void rays. 6 void rays were doing only 36 DPS, hell you did not need to transfuse the queen to make her last 5 seconds.
On September 04 2013 03:53 Larkin wrote: 6 charged void rays take over 5 seconds to kill a queen that's being transfused, looks so silly.
ToD doesn't know how to harass, it seems.
Queens are not armored, have 4 armor against 7 damage per attack void rays. 6 void rays were doing only 36 DPS, hell you did not need to transfuse the queen to make her last 5 seconds.
I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
On September 04 2013 03:53 lolfail9001 wrote: How did ToD throw it :D?
He didn't need to push, targas whole point of his army was to catch him in a open area, and tods army wasnt finished yet, storm was on the way and he has to many zealots. plus he had a forth if anything he should have just had his voidrays fly in, kill the hatch then recall out.
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
They are already good enough. Okay?
they really aren't, they're a stupid unit as is. not fun to use or play against.
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
whats with protoss and hating things that are armored immortals, stalkers, voidrays. Only oracles seem to know whats what.
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
They are already good enough. Okay?
they really aren't, they're a stupid unit as is. not fun to use or play against.
They remind me of scouts that are better vs hydras.
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
They are already good enough. Okay?
they really aren't, they're a stupid unit as is. not fun to use or play against.
But they certainly dont need a buff, they are pretty borderline as is already
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
whats with protoss and hating things that are armored immortals, stalkers, voidrays. Only oracles seem to know whats what.
eh, at least tempests are different because they hate flying massive. That's some hipster niche there.
My sentence starts with "I don't think they need a buff"
/facepalm
but yea like the guy above me said protoss already has tons of shit to deal with armored units, void rays don't need to be as volatile as immortals are. The immortal thing actually makes sense due to their interactions with midgame.
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
They are already good enough. Okay?
they really aren't, they're a stupid unit as is. not fun to use or play against.
I always liked the VRs when SCII was first released. You can kite with them and you have to get them to max charge to do damage then Blizzard went ahead and made them a rather uninteresting unit :/
On September 04 2013 03:59 VayneAuthority wrote: I don't think VRs need a buff but they could benefit from being a little less volatile. They either massacre everything armored or do basically nothing. They could benefit from being a little more well-rounded.
whats with protoss and hating things that are armored immortals, stalkers, voidrays. Only oracles seem to know whats what.
eh, at least tempests are different because they hate flying massive. That's some hipster niche there.
edit: There is a cool trick he could have done, which is put one broodlord in range of the geyser and the second BL slightly further back on hold position in range of any stalker which tries to hit the closer BL while micro'ing the closer BL back when he does.
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I am really disappointed by ToD today. It looks like him casting recently has at least some impact on his level. He has definitely played much better in the past.
If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
Stephano and Scarlett are the only ones who are close, and neither of them are playing atm so neither will get any more points.
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
Stephano and Scarlett are the only ones who are close, and neither of them are playing atm so neither will get any more points.
ye i forgot that scarlett said she would tkae a break therefore i took her on my fgstl team, today i realized it and it's too late
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
Stephano and Scarlett are the only ones who are close, and neither of them are playing atm so neither will get any more points.
ye i forgot that scarlett said she would tkae a break therefore i took her on my fgstl team, today i realized it and it's too late
I realized and tried to put her on my anti team, wouldn't let me.
On September 04 2013 04:50 Crownlol wrote: Man, Apollo has awesome ideas "wouldn't it be great if he did this"? I wish I could hear Apollo casting me play, be Code A no problem.
I'd rather have Semmler cast me. Seems to have higher knowledge
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
Stephano and Scarlett are the only ones who are close, and neither of them are playing atm so neither will get any more points.
ye i forgot that scarlett said she would tkae a break therefore i took her on my fgstl team, today i realized it and it's too late
I realized and tried to put her on my anti team, wouldn't let me.
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
Stephano and Scarlett are the only ones who are close, and neither of them are playing atm so neither will get any more points.
ye i forgot that scarlett said she would tkae a break therefore i took her on my fgstl team, today i realized it and it's too late
I realized and tried to put her on my anti team, wouldn't let me.
hahahahha it's mentioned extra, that she is banned on antiteam :D:D unfortuantely not on main team fml
On September 04 2013 04:50 Crownlol wrote: Man, Apollo has awesome ideas "wouldn't it be great if he did this"? I wish I could hear Apollo casting me play, be Code A no problem.
I'd rather have Semmler cast me. Seems to have higher knowledge
On September 04 2013 04:50 Crownlol wrote: Man, Apollo has awesome ideas "wouldn't it be great if he did this"? I wish I could hear Apollo casting me play, be Code A no problem.
I'd rather have Semmler cast me. Seems to have higher knowledge
That's nonsense.
Semmler took a game off Apollo, thus he has more raw talent.
On September 04 2013 04:43 Zheryn wrote: If Naniwa loses here, it's very likely to be 16 koreans at Blizzcon. It would be so much more exciting with atleast one foreigner there, so I really hope Naniwa makes it through here.
wow just watched the wcs ranking, never been so disappointed rofl, i thought at least scarlett would be in the top 16 and tlo because of his HSC and DH performances. t.t
Stephano and Scarlett are the only ones who are close, and neither of them are playing atm so neither will get any more points.
ye i forgot that scarlett said she would tkae a break therefore i took her on my fgstl team, today i realized it and it's too late
I realized and tried to put her on my anti team, wouldn't let me.
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On September 04 2013 04:50 Crownlol wrote: Man, Apollo has awesome ideas "wouldn't it be great if he did this"? I wish I could hear Apollo casting me play, be Code A no problem.
I'd rather have Semmler cast me. Seems to have higher knowledge
That's nonsense.
Semmler took a game off Apollo, thus he has more raw talent.
On September 04 2013 04:37 samurai80 wrote: I am really disappointed by ToD today. It looks like him casting recently has at least some impact on his level. He has definitely played much better in the past.
His whole resurgence in skill started when after he started casting
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i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
No idea. Naniwa has also complained about the map in the past.
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
Maybe they really, really hate Frost
I don't think Frost is that bad for Protoss. But then I don't play standard ZvP so I can't say my experience is relevant.
I really wish carriers didnt suck, void ray,carrier, mothership and tempest would be cool to see from time to time, dont even know why blizz kept them in hots they have been useless since release of sc2 lol
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
Maybe they really, really hate Frost
I don't think Frost is that bad for Protoss. But then I don't play standard ZvP so I can't say my experience is relevant.
Me neither, I'm just sad we havent seen that map in 3 GSL groups, 1 WCS EU group and GSTL yet
On September 04 2013 05:02 skiersteve wrote: I really wish carriers didnt suck, void ray,carrier, mothership and tempest would be cool to see from time to time, dont even know why blizz kept them in hots they have been useless since release of sc2 lol
blizz is disappointing us till lotv and then they buff carriers and everyone is like WOHOOOO
On September 04 2013 04:59 Undead1993 wrote: i am asking myself why the tosses prefer to play on derelict watcher, mass raochs or mass roach hydra is so strong this map it's so open, don't get it, someone able to explain?
Why you decided protoss prefers that ?
he could have vetoed it, therefore i assume he prefers it.
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On September 04 2013 05:02 skiersteve wrote: I really wish carriers didnt suck, void ray,carrier, mothership and tempest would be cool to see from time to time, dont even know why blizz kept them in hots they have been useless since release of sc2 lol
carriers don't suck. They are actually one of the best units in game. Problem is not them being bad, problem is getting to them, which is almost impossible if you are not already big time ahead. And if you are so ahead that you can go carriers, you can also end the game without them.
On September 04 2013 05:02 skiersteve wrote: I really wish carriers didnt suck, void ray,carrier, mothership and tempest would be cool to see from time to time, dont even know why blizz kept them in hots they have been useless since release of sc2 lol
They are really over-dramatizing this whole WCS ranking. There are 4 players below Naniwa in the ratings. And besides he is already qualified for IEM New York where he can win a lot of points.
On September 04 2013 05:02 skiersteve wrote: I really wish carriers didnt suck, void ray,carrier, mothership and tempest would be cool to see from time to time, dont even know why blizz kept them in hots they have been useless since release of sc2 lol
carriers don't suck. They are actually one of the best units in game. Problem is not them being bad, problem is getting to them, which is almost impossible if you are not already big time ahead. And if you are so ahead that you can go carriers, you can also end the game without them.
The carrier might be the best unit out of every unit in the game if we don't count other anti-air units
On September 04 2013 05:09 pmp10 wrote: They are really over-dramatizing this whole WCS ranking. There are 4 players below Naniwa in the ratings. And besides he is already qualified for IEM New York where he can win a lot of points.
4players under you is not that many, considering how many are close to him
On September 04 2013 05:09 pmp10 wrote: They are really over-dramatizing this whole WCS ranking. There are 4 players below Naniwa in the ratings. And besides he is already qualified for IEM New York where he can win a lot of points.
Can win is not a comfortable position for a player to be in
On September 04 2013 05:10 Lorning wrote: It's not like Nani is gonna have a chance of winning the world finals or something
It's not like Innovation will ever lose to a foreigner or something
I mean no he most likely won't get past the Round of 8 even if he has his best weekend ever, but insane things do happen and it's not all "Either you win or you suck"
On September 04 2013 05:09 pmp10 wrote: They are really over-dramatizing this whole WCS ranking. There are 4 players below Naniwa in the ratings. And besides he is already qualified for IEM New York where he can win a lot of points.
Can win is not a comfortable position for a player to be in
Naniwa does better in the clutch. He had to win MLG Dallas or he was going to retire and he won.
On September 04 2013 05:10 Lorning wrote: It's not like Nani is gonna have a chance of winning the world finals or something
It's not like Innovation will ever lose to a foreigner or something
I mean no he most likely won't get past the Round of 8 even if he has his best weekend ever, but insane things do happen and it's not all "Either you win or you suck"
It also isn't about him winning, it's about getting a foreigner to the global finals to show that the foreign scene is still relevant.
On September 04 2013 05:10 Lorning wrote: It's not like Nani is gonna have a chance of winning the world finals or something
It's not like Innovation will ever lose to a foreigner or something
I mean no he most likely won't get past the Round of 8 even if he has his best weekend ever, but insane things do happen and it's not all "Either you win or you suck"
It also isn't about him winning, it's about getting a foreigner to the global finals to show that the foreign scene is still relevant.
So Targa must lose to prove the foreigner scene is relevant?
On September 04 2013 05:10 Lorning wrote: It's not like Nani is gonna have a chance of winning the world finals or something
It's not like Innovation will ever lose to a foreigner or something
I mean no he most likely won't get past the Round of 8 even if he has his best weekend ever, but insane things do happen and it's not all "Either you win or you suck"
It also isn't about him winning, it's about getting a foreigner to the global finals to show that the foreign scene is still relevant.
So Targa must lose to prove the foreigner scene is relevant?
On September 04 2013 05:10 Lorning wrote: It's not like Nani is gonna have a chance of winning the world finals or something
It's not like Innovation will ever lose to a foreigner or something
I mean no he most likely won't get past the Round of 8 even if he has his best weekend ever, but insane things do happen and it's not all "Either you win or you suck"
It also isn't about him winning, it's about getting a foreigner to the global finals to show that the foreign scene is still relevant.
So Targa must lose to prove the foreigner scene is relevant?
Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously pucnh though my monitor Edit: unnecesarry caps
On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously PUNCH THROUGH MY MONITOR
On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously PUNCH THROUGH MY MONITOR
On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously PUNCH THROUGH MY MONITOR
He has also proven that he can do, in Idra's words, stupid shit and die
On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously PUNCH THROUGH MY MONITOR
talking about blinded by the hate
Perhaps that was alittle hypocritical, but you get my point
On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously PUNCH THROUGH MY MONITOR
He has also proven that he can do, in Idra's words, stupid shit and die
On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously PUNCH THROUGH MY MONITOR
talking about blinded by the hate
Perhaps that was alittle hypocritical, but you get my point
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 13s gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
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Your vote: Recommend Final Match Map 3?
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On September 04 2013 05:19 Muffloe wrote: Lol at people sounding so sure about if Naniwa can perform high skill or not. He has proved time and tiems again that he can compete with the very best, yet people are just blinding by hate. This makes me so mad that I can seriously pucnh though my monitor Edit: unnecesarry caps
i guess naniwa is mad like punching into his monitor
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 2m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (2)
4%
50 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Map 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
Good to see my favourite race performing so well on my favourite map... I guess I'm hoping Mvp advances or I won't be watching much more WCS EU this season.
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Ohh, someones salty.
Btw 3 Hatch before pool is the counter to gateway expand, and Naniwa is pretty predictable
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 3m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break. Expand
On September 04 2013 05:24 NoGasfOu wrote: I don't remember the last thing Naniwa won, maybe 2010 MLG in which incontrol got 4th place. So much hype for nothing.
I would like to say that comment is to retarded to comment on but.... no actually it just is
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 2m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Shut up, kid. Naniwa could have done the same or punished him for the greedy play. Why can't you just say shucks he lost but grats to Targa. Don't be so sore. That "fucking scrub" would wipe the floor with you.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 2m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
Someone please, tweet him, that he should do cannon rushes once in a while too :D
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 2m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
So now Naniwa has about an 18.43% chance to make it to blizzcon, if all players were equal skill (will have my program use aligulac ratings soon) and not counting dreamhack since they don't have brackets yet.
On September 04 2013 05:24 BlackCompany wrote: Quickly, someone check Twitter for the "lol i cant believe i lost to this guy hes so bad" comment
You need to learn to read
How so?
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 2m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
On September 04 2013 05:24 BlackCompany wrote: Quickly, someone check Twitter for the "lol i cant believe i lost to this guy hes so bad" comment
You need to learn to read
How so?
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 2m gratz to targa for advancing, i feel that ive been too negative as of late, will need to recover some of my love for the game in this break.
Has someone hacked Naniwa's twitter?
NaNiwa needed the Pain of Loss to ascend to the level beyond Super Foreigner.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Die4Ever wrote: So now Naniwa has about an 18.43% chance to make it to blizzcon, if all players were equal skill (will have my program use aligulac ratings soon) and not counting dreamhack since they don't have brackets yet.
I'm writing an article on the subject at the moment as well
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Ohh, someones salty.
Btw 3 Hatch before pool is the counter to gateway expand, and Naniwa is pretty predictable
It's true though, 3 Hatch fundamentally breaks ZvP by denying gateway expand, and any other gateway first opening, which shouldn't be the case... if only Blizzard cared about Protoss...
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Ohh, someones salty.
Btw 3 Hatch before pool is the counter to gateway expand, and Naniwa is pretty predictable
It's true though, 3 Hatch fundamentally breaks ZvP by denying gateway expand, and any other gateway first opening, which shouldn't be the case... if only Blizzard cared about Protoss...
rock paper scissors bro. Forge first > 3 hatch before pool > gateway expo slightly > standard play slightly (if not =)> Forge first.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Taipoka wrote: EGStephano @EGStephanoRC 2 m
YES YES YES YES. DOWN. GO DOWN.
rofl.
Targa just played mindgames with Naniwa. Not sure why people are mad tbh. He played super greedily and blind countered him like mad, props to watching his games and preparing for them!
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Ohh, someones salty.
Btw 3 Hatch before pool is the counter to gateway expand, and Naniwa is pretty predictable
It's true though, 3 Hatch fundamentally breaks ZvP by denying gateway expand, and any other gateway first opening, which shouldn't be the case... if only Blizzard cared about Protoss...
That awkward moment when 3 hatch before pool is also viable versus FFE if you have an overlord above your natural...
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
Hmmm, will Bucharest be deemed tier 1 though? Valencia was a tier two for WCS I see no reason Bucharest won't be. Though naniwa will probably have to win IEM NY if he wants to go to blizzcon unless there is some amazing luck and only those already in the top 16 get all the points.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
He still will need certain people to fail, for instance:
He needs Maru to lose GSL/not get top 5 (probable). Needs duckdeok/MC to kill Mvp/TLO/Grubby/MMA/Dimaga/Lucifron. Needs Hyun to not win 2 DH and IEM. Needs Alicia to not win WCS NA.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1m i dont know how to keep improving in europe.. the other protosses cant really teach me much.. guess i need to go to korea ~~ T_T #sad
I thought he was already practicing in Korea..?
He probably needs to be on a team that actually has other players on it.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
He still will need certain people to fail, for instance:
He needs Maru to lose GSL/not get top 5 (probable). Needs duckdeok/MC to kill Mvp/TLO/Grubby/MMA/Dimaga/Lucifron. Needs Hyun to not win 2 DH and IEM. Needs Alicia to not win WCS NA.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
Hmmm, will Bucharest be deemed tier 1 though? Valencia was a tier two for WCS I see no reason Bucharest won't be. Though naniwa will probably have to win IEM NY if he wants to go to blizzcon unless there is some amazing luck and only those already in the top 16 get all the points.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
Hmmm, will Bucharest be deemed tier 1 though? Valencia was a tier two for WCS I see no reason Bucharest won't be. Though naniwa will probably have to win IEM NY if he wants to go to blizzcon unless there is some amazing luck and only those already in the top 16 get all the points.
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
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Sweden is going to invade TargA's house. I feel sorry for the guy and his family. Winning that match was not worth it.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1m i dont know how to keep improving in europe.. the other protosses cant really teach me much.. guess i need to go to korea ~~ T_T #sad
I thought he was already practicing in Korea..?
He probably needs to be on a team that actually has other good Protoss players on it.
I don't get how he can say that when he just lost to a European. lol. There's still things he could learn.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
He still will need certain people to fail, for instance:
He needs Maru to lose GSL/not get top 5 (probable). Needs duckdeok/MC to kill Mvp/TLO/Grubby/MMA/Dimaga/Lucifron. Needs Hyun to not win 2 DH and IEM. Needs Alicia to not win WCS NA.
Aha. Thanks!
There are a few far out ones that can take him out like Parting/Flash/Gumiho. But they'd need to win GSL and then do decently in season finals. And if that's the case, more likely than not they will take out others that threaten Naniwa's position.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
Hmmm, will Bucharest be deemed tier 1 though? Valencia was a tier two for WCS I see no reason Bucharest won't be. Though naniwa will probably have to win IEM NY if he wants to go to blizzcon unless there is some amazing luck and only those already in the top 16 get all the points.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
But having advanced from Ro32 and being 17th on the rankings has to be as close to top 16 as one can be, right? Obviously not far out of top 16, rather he is very barely almost not at all out of top 16.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
Hmmm, will Bucharest be deemed tier 1 though? Valencia was a tier two for WCS I see no reason Bucharest won't be. Though naniwa will probably have to win IEM NY if he wants to go to blizzcon unless there is some amazing luck and only those already in the top 16 get all the points.
On September 04 2013 05:27 Heartland wrote: How is it with premier events like DH and IEM to give Nani points for the global finals? Is that conceivable?
Theres two Tier 1 events left before Blizzcon, IEM NY (which Naniwa qualified for yesterday) and DH, winner of one gets 750 points, I guess he just needs to get a deep one in one of them to secure his spot
Hmmm, will Bucharest be deemed tier 1 though? Valencia was a tier two for WCS I see no reason Bucharest won't be. Though naniwa will probably have to win IEM NY if he wants to go to blizzcon unless there is some amazing luck and only those already in the top 16 get all the points.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
But having advanced from Ro32 and being 17th on the rankings has to be as close to top 16 as one can be, right? Obviously not far out of top 16, rather very barely almost not at all out of top 16.
Should there be at least partially same people at WCS Season 3 finals as there were on Season 1 or Season 2 their points will most likely take the top 16 spots.
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Ohh, someones salty.
Btw 3 Hatch before pool is the counter to gateway expand, and Naniwa is pretty predictable
It's true though, 3 Hatch fundamentally breaks ZvP by denying gateway expand, and any other gateway first opening, which shouldn't be the case... if only Blizzard cared about Protoss...
That awkward moment when 3 hatch before pool is also viable versus FFE if you have an overlord above your natural...
This is sadly partially true. If you go FFE, and the Zerg goes 3 hatch before pool, and pulls drones to prevent you from cannoning up his second or third base, or just builds his 2nd and 3rd away from the cannons; the zerg almost automatically wins if he gets his third base up. (à la Jaedong vs Naniwa at the Season Finals).
The moment the game goes into mid-late game, zerg is so much ahead. Blizzard should really look into this, because even if Protoss goes for the most aggressive strategies, like the 4gate, he cannot punish 3 hatch before pool, unless the zerg fcks up.
You could proxy2gate. Also, the Stardust Zealot-heavy 2base 4 gate is really rough against 3hatch before pool.
On September 04 2013 05:24 Valikyr wrote: Nice, fucking scrub zerg gets away with super greed and can then do whatever he wants. Fun to see him go 0-4 i Ro16 now and 0 foreigners in Grand Finals.
Ohh, someones salty.
Btw 3 Hatch before pool is the counter to gateway expand, and Naniwa is pretty predictable
It's true though, 3 Hatch fundamentally breaks ZvP by denying gateway expand, and any other gateway first opening, which shouldn't be the case... if only Blizzard cared about Protoss...
That awkward moment when 3 hatch before pool is also viable versus FFE if you have an overlord above your natural...
This is sadly partially true. If you go FFE, and the Zerg goes 3 hatch before pool, and pulls drones to prevent you from cannoning up his second or third base, or just builds his 2nd and 3rd away from the cannons; the zerg almost automatically wins if he gets his third base up. (à la Jaedong vs Naniwa at the Season Finals).
The moment the game goes into mid-late game, zerg is so much ahead. Blizzard should really look into this, because even if Protoss goes for the most aggressive strategies, like the 4gate, he cannot punish 3 hatch before pool, unless the zerg fcks up.
On September 04 2013 05:39 NovaMB wrote: Wow, exactly 1 correct prediction in the polls.
My guess is 3500 points will be a lock for Blizzcon if not less, so NaNiwa "just" needs to do good at Comic-Con and Bucharest (Top 4 atleast in both)
I am optimistic, that he should at least do well at NY; there are 3 american+1 US qualifier as well as 1 SEA/Chinese. Even with Polt taking 1 spot of NA, this leaves 4 people, who are supposed to lose to Nani and pretty much assures top 12 (+150 points) and with an open bracket and a high seat, more should definitly be possible.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
But having advanced from Ro32 and being 17th on the rankings has to be as close to top 16 as one can be, right? Obviously not far out of top 16, rather very barely almost not at all out of top 16.
Should there be at least partially same people at WCS Season 3 finals as there were on Season 1 or Season 2 their points will most likely take the top 16 spots.
So it is not possible to be close to top 16? I'm just arguing the fact that you said that he is "far out" of top 16, which he is not. I would consider players that need to have everything go their way (as in, win their WCS AND have other players drop out early) are far off from top 16.
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
But having advanced from Ro32 and being 17th on the rankings has to be as close to top 16 as one can be, right? Obviously not far out of top 16, rather very barely almost not at all out of top 16.
Should there be at least partially same people at WCS Season 3 finals as there were on Season 1 or Season 2 their points will most likely take the top 16 spots.
So it is not possible to be close to top 16? I'm just arguing the fact that you said that he is "far out" of top 16, which he is not. I would consider players that need to have everything go their way (as in, win their WCS AND have other players drop out early) are far off from top 16.
Perhaps i was off with far out, but his chances do not look all that bright (but i hope, lol).
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
But having advanced from Ro32 and being 17th on the rankings has to be as close to top 16 as one can be, right? Obviously not far out of top 16, rather very barely almost not at all out of top 16.
Should there be at least partially same people at WCS Season 3 finals as there were on Season 1 or Season 2 their points will most likely take the top 16 spots.
So it is not possible to be close to top 16? I'm just arguing the fact that you said that he is "far out" of top 16, which he is not. I would consider players that need to have everything go their way (as in, win their WCS AND have other players drop out early) are far off from top 16.
Perhaps i was off with far out, but his chances do not look all that bright (but i hope, lol).
I like both Targa and ForGG, but they ruined the foreigner hope in the Blizzcon finals, it's either 99.9 or 100 % chance to be all koreans now (not that I don't like koreans, I will cheer for Polt, Taeja, and Jaedong, but a foreigner, especially a swede, would have been nice)
On September 04 2013 05:25 Noonius wrote: so, no foreigners at Blizzcon?
all hope on TLO ^^
Does not TLO need to perform super well though? Considering that even ForGG is far out of top 16 at the moment (and he performed far better than TLO at season 1 finals).
ForGG is not "far out" of the top 16, he's 17th.
Take into consideration that points of other players are also going up.
But having advanced from Ro32 and being 17th on the rankings has to be as close to top 16 as one can be, right? Obviously not far out of top 16, rather very barely almost not at all out of top 16.
Should there be at least partially same people at WCS Season 3 finals as there were on Season 1 or Season 2 their points will most likely take the top 16 spots.
So it is not possible to be close to top 16? I'm just arguing the fact that you said that he is "far out" of top 16, which he is not. I would consider players that need to have everything go their way (as in, win their WCS AND have other players drop out early) are far off from top 16.
Perhaps i was off with far out, but his chances do not look all that bright (but i hope, lol).
He will win this season, ez! ♥
I shall be glad if ForGG will be 1st player with BW starleague title to win premier championship in SC2 <3. Not so sure about realism of it though T_T.
On September 04 2013 05:52 Digitalis wrote: How are these WCS EU groups decided? Because there is really nice race distribution between all groups, thank the lords.
1 player from Ro8, 1 from challenger league bracket, 1 1st place from U&D group and last one 2nd place from U&D group. Just luck.
After Naniwa's tweets about Dota and League of Legends, I can't respect him. Someone that closed minded really doesn't deserve much. I respect his play, but I love watching him crash and burn as a person.
I seriously can't see someone like Naniwa being good at a team game. So his comments were severely misguided. Oh well. Some people just don't mature as fast as others it seems.
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 1m i dont know how to keep improving in europe.. the other protosses cant really teach me much.. guess i need to go to korea ~~ T_T #sad
I thought he was already practicing in Korea..?
He probably needs to be on a team that actually has other good Protoss players on it.
I don't get how he can say that when he just lost to a European. lol. There's still things he could learn.
What he is suggesting is that he can't learn them from other European Protoss players because he is already better than (or at the same level as) every other European Protoss. Are you suggesting that NaNiwa isn't the best European Protoss..? If so, who do you think it is..?
To get better vs Zerg and Terran you need good Zerg and Terran, not good Protoss' players. So I don't really get his reasoning, he probably is the best non-korean Protoss in Europe right now but how would a korean protoss help him getting better in PvZ or PvT - sure he could copy some allin or timing strategy but aside from that... Given that he is affiliated with EG he probably also can get his hands on korean ladder replays of the EG players.
Great games by Targa and nice that he put on a good lecture for Naniwa.
ForGG complete God-Mode, want him to go all the way this season.
Naniwa clearly could learn from players like Hasuobs and BK who completely demolished him not so long ago in the wsc even though he had all that time in Korea.
On September 04 2013 05:59 RagequitBM wrote: After Naniwa's tweets about Dota and League of Legends, I can't respect him. Someone that closed minded really doesn't deserve much. I respect his play, but I love watching him crash and burn as a person.
I seriously can't see someone like Naniwa being good at a team game. So his comments were severely misguided. Oh well. Some people just don't mature as fast as others it seems.
he just thinks MOBA games do not really level with rts in terms of skill .. he works better as an individual
On September 04 2013 06:09 Taipoka wrote: lol: Things got serious:
Johan Lucchesi @NaNiwaSC2 19 min
.@EGStephanoRC you already won 300k $ from building infestors you unskilled piece of shit ^^ isnt that enough? now go away and "study"
Man, got to love Naniwa.
Strange, I was just thinking the exact opposite
yeah well that is the general consensus in the EU pro sc2 community, today Targa is everyone's hero. Does not matter if Z, P or T everyone wanted Targa to win
On September 04 2013 14:37 RiZu wrote: Naniwa is pretty safe for Blizzcon. He just qualified for IEM NYC and probably will play at Dreamhack Bucharest. Targa fck yea!
NaNiwa has 2675 points right now. The only people with a realistic shot of overtaking him should have maybe 1000 points already. There are about 20 people who still have a good shot at overtaking him if he doesn't perform at IEM or Dreamhack.
On September 04 2013 14:37 RiZu wrote: Naniwa is pretty safe for Blizzcon. He just qualified for IEM NYC and probably will play at Dreamhack Bucharest. Targa fck yea!
NaNiwa has 2675 points right now. The only people with a realistic shot of overtaking him should have maybe 1000 points already. There are about 20 people who still have a good shot at overtaking him if he doesn't perform at IEM or Dreamhack.
I started off wanting to contradict you but looking more in depth it's gonna be pretty close. Maru and duckdeok performing badly in their premier league would be a great start.
On September 04 2013 14:37 RiZu wrote: Naniwa is pretty safe for Blizzcon. He just qualified for IEM NYC and probably will play at Dreamhack Bucharest. Targa fck yea!
NaNiwa has 2675 points right now. The only people with a realistic shot of overtaking him should have maybe 1000 points already. There are about 20 people who still have a good shot at overtaking him if he doesn't perform at IEM or Dreamhack.
I started off wanting to contradict you but looking more in depth it's gonna be pretty close. Maru and duckdeok performing badly in their premier league would be a great start.
He has a foot through the door, but it could still be close. It depends on a lot of different factors but he has a good chance of making it.
On September 04 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote: Hmm. Weird that this group only got 37 pages of LR.
Not enough angry naniwa drama Also gaulzi knows what the fuck is up
GEGTgaulzi @GEGTgaulzi 1m @NaNiwaSC2 i'll teach you how to cannon the shit out of those zergs ;D
Harstem hired a GM cannon rusher on EU to teach him how to cannon rush on every map.
Haha, that GM cannon rusher was me. It was back in WoL, he asked me if I would show him some tricks and I did. I only saw him using the tricks once and that was vs NightEnD at HSC if I remember correctly. He got very far ahead but threw his lead somehow.
I've got some cannon placements that can give pro players win vs zerg on some maps if they go either 15h or 15p. I usually get into a position where I shouldn't lose after cannoning but due to my crappy standard play I tend to throw my lead by doing silly stuff. I would really like to see those cannon placements in hands of a pro player, since he will either force enough reaction to be ahead economically, or just straight up win the game with the cannon rush.
Just had the time to watch the games. Great, great, great! Loved the last match with targas roach/hydra/massqueen/someinfestor-build to counter naniwas massskillrays-into-gg build.
Won't take much to kick naniwa out of Blizzcon now. Yay \o/
On September 04 2013 05:31 Heartland wrote: Hmm. Weird that this group only got 37 pages of LR.
Not enough angry naniwa drama Also gaulzi knows what the fuck is up
GEGTgaulzi @GEGTgaulzi 1m @NaNiwaSC2 i'll teach you how to cannon the shit out of those zergs ;D
Harstem hired a GM cannon rusher on EU to teach him how to cannon rush on every map.
Haha, that GM cannon rusher was me. It was back in WoL, he asked me if I would show him some tricks and I did. I only saw him using the tricks once and that was vs NightEnD at HSC if I remember correctly. He got very far ahead but threw his lead somehow.
I've got some cannon placements that can give pro players win vs zerg on some maps if they go either 15h or 15p. I usually get into a position where I shouldn't lose after cannoning but due to my crappy standard play I tend to throw my lead by doing silly stuff. I would really like to see those cannon placements in hands of a pro player, since he will either force enough reaction to be ahead economically, or just straight up win the game with the cannon rush.
I really enjoyed watching your stream and YouTube videos in WoL. Do you still stream? If I remember correctly, it was a project called something like "Cannon rushing to master", or was it to GM?
Well anyways, that was some hardcore cannon rushing, pretty epic to watch. I recommended you guys check out the videos if you haven't.
Yeah I agree, it would be a pretty good skill for a progamer to be able to cannon rush like you. Every tip and trick helps to get that important early lead.
and that's exactly why I veto belshir, there's like 50 different unstoppable cannon rushes on that map lol. it's extremely hard to stop as protoss unless you 9 scout.
I can't believe he went in on Stephano like that. haha. "Unskilled piece of shit." Wow. Im surprised that tweet alone hasn't sparked a 100 page thread on here yet!
On September 05 2013 08:26 Havik_ wrote: I can't believe he went in on Stephano like that. haha. "Unskilled piece of shit." Wow. Im surprised that tweet alone hasn't sparked a 100 page thread on here yet!
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