EPTCM Storm Go4SC2 Finals July 2013 - Page 3
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Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
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NovaMB
Germany9534 Posts
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Rollora
2450 Posts
On August 20 2013 03:54 Megiddosc wrote: The game is never "lost" for Terran in a TvZ. Especially after losing a lot of workers. same can be said the other way around. As seen in DRGs last Chalenger League Game, as he lost like 40 workers and insta-replaced them, won the game. Terran that loses 40 workers ? Dead Argument invalid, cause the mule discussion is so old, it already has a grey beard. the arguments have been repeated so often (crono makes 50% faster probes, upgrades, army if used wisely , which is stronger then the mule you have from time to time and is there to replace workers that are building something, zerg can produce 7 workers at a time from 1 building that costs 300) plus forcing scans etc means about 200 less income per minute for the terran etc etc. and there are lots of graphs that show an incomewise comparison between the races where terran don't have the lead ;-) FYI | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Well, I guess third time's the charm when it comes to Germany vs Strelok.  | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 20 2013 04:59 Rollora wrote: same can be said the other way around. As seen in DRGs last Chalenger League Game, as he lost like 40 workers and insta-replaced them, won the game. Terran that loses 40 workers ? Dead Argument invalid, cause the mule discussion is so old, it already has a grey beard. the arguments have been repeated so often (crono makes 50% faster probes, upgrades, army if used wisely , which is stronger then the mule you have from time to time and is there to replace workers that are building something, zerg can produce 7 workers at a time from 1 building that costs 300) plus forcing scans etc means about 200 less income per minute for the terran etc etc. and there are lots of graphs that show an incomewise comparison between the races where terran don't have the lead ;-) FYI He lost 25 workers. And to be fair, that was a pure game of throws. @Game: Also, losing 50 workers, yet being only 8 workers behind hints me at fact, that those 50 workers were lost throughout the game, so that damage was partially mitigated by usual 3 OC production) (we are talking TvZ here :D). And being 8 workers behind as T against Z is not that bad closer to late game. | ||
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
seems more like he dropped them tbh but maybe they said, all of them being 0:00 is pretty strange | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 20 2013 05:19 Sabre wrote: seems more like he dropped them tbh but maybe they said, all of them being 0:00 is pretty strange Nah, does not look like drophack. He has a real game... lose against slivko :D (and another lose: to 2 proxy gates against StarDust). Nah, not drophack for sure. Also, i love that reaction to 2 proxy gates in form of his own 2 gates lol. | ||
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WonnaPlay
Netherlands912 Posts
On August 20 2013 05:23 lolfail9001 wrote: Nah, does not look like drophack. He has a real game... lose against slivko :D (and another lose: to 2 proxy gates against StarDust). Nah, not drophack for sure. Also, i love that reaction to 2 proxy gates in form of his own 2 gates lol. Well, making 2 gates in a reaction to 2 proxy gates is hardly any proof (without a replay), since that is the basic counter to a 2 gate... | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On August 20 2013 00:13 Sated wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 19 2013 23:05 grs wrote: If you applied some common sense, you would agree that you can't ban anyone because a shitstorm on the internet. Why none of the people who lost to him, that complained on forum, twitter, chats afterwards has reported him through the ESL interface before yesterday is beyond me. Correct, thank you. We do not ban someone just because they are unpopular on a community site; not least for the sanctity of the league, but for legal reasons too - unlike any other league I am aware of, we have been to court over banning players for cheating (if I remember correctly, for defamation) Don't twist my words. You wouldn't be banning them because of "a shitstorm on the internet" or because "they are unpopular on a community site", you would be banning them because they've already been banned for hacking by other organisations. As far as I'm concerned, hacking in eSPORTS is equatable to banned substance abuse in "real sports" and we should treat it just as harshly. A ban from one tournament should result in a ban from all tournaments. I can understand lesser offences like BM being dealt with on a tournament by tournament basis, but hacking shouldn't be treated that way. ESL shouldn't need proof from a tournament run by ESL, the fact that he's been banned for hacking by other organisations should be more than enough given the number of pro-players who are weighing in on this player's hacking credentials. th3rogue's response makes it sound like ESL are more worried about covering their own backs, which I suppose is something I fully understand given the size of their operation. EDIT: This is a tournament thread so I probably shoudn't continue stinking it up with the hacking debate (hence the spoilers). I understand ESL's position, but I wholly disagree with it. GLHF to the legit players who'll be competing in this tournament. If someone breaks the law then applies for a company, it's the companies job to look at what they have. If the person happened to steal some food from a restaurant he used to work at, and so was fired, it's possible that the law was not involved (blizzard) and so the new company could either talk to the old restaurant (if the same management is still around and kept all their records straight) and find out directly from them why he was fired or let go, then they can choose not to, or to hire him. If it had been taken to the law like it should have, then the new company wouldn't hire him because he wouldn't meet the criteria set forth by their hiring procedures. ESL doesn't need to trust forum shit storms, or other organizations banning players. Recently didn't we have that Clan Infinity "scandal" going around? Something about tournament organizers banning people for map hacking when they weren't map hacking? The rules are simple, reports lead to investigations, which then lead to rulings. Try running an organization as large as ESL and trying to not set standard procedures. You'd be living in your self built hell. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:01 WonnaPlay wrote: Well, making 2 gates in a reaction to 2 proxy gates is hardly any proof (without a replay), since that is the basic counter to a 2 gate... I mean 2 gate in a reaction to 2 SCOUTED proxy gates (i have seen in replay, they were really not even hidden well) and still losing. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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