• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:08
CEST 19:08
KST 02:08
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202542Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up5LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced58
StarCraft 2
General
Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025 TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level? Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? BW General Discussion Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Bitcoin discussion thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 9/11 Anniversary
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 749 users

CM Storm Go4SC2 Finals July 2013 - Page 3

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 All
Pyloss
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany1515 Posts
August 19 2013 19:54 GMT
#41
HeroMarine wins 3-0 vs Strelok in the Finals. Congratz!
<3 sOs, Parting, Mana, Honor, TaKe, Mcanning<3
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
August 19 2013 19:55 GMT
#42
Really impressive play from Heromarine today. 9-0 in a monthy final. Congrats!
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
August 19 2013 19:59 GMT
#43
On August 20 2013 03:54 Megiddosc wrote:
The game is never "lost" for Terran in a TvZ. Especially after losing a lot of workers.

same can be said the other way around. As seen in DRGs last Chalenger League Game, as he lost like 40 workers and insta-replaced them, won the game.
Terran that loses 40 workers ? Dead
Argument invalid, cause the mule discussion is so old, it already has a grey beard. the arguments have been repeated so often (crono makes 50% faster probes, upgrades, army if used wisely , which is stronger then the mule you have from time to time and is there to replace workers that are building something, zerg can produce 7 workers at a time from 1 building that costs 300) plus forcing scans etc means about 200 less income per minute for the terran etc etc.
and there are lots of graphs that show an incomewise comparison between the races where terran don't have the lead ;-)
FYI
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
August 19 2013 20:05 GMT
#44
Great run by Hero, funny how I can play one TvT on the ladder and, by the time it finished, miss his entire series vs Strelok...
Well, I guess third time's the charm when it comes to Germany vs Strelok.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 19 2013 20:19 GMT
#45
On August 20 2013 04:59 Rollora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 03:54 Megiddosc wrote:
The game is never "lost" for Terran in a TvZ. Especially after losing a lot of workers.

same can be said the other way around. As seen in DRGs last Chalenger League Game, as he lost like 40 workers and insta-replaced them, won the game.
Terran that loses 40 workers ? Dead
Argument invalid, cause the mule discussion is so old, it already has a grey beard. the arguments have been repeated so often (crono makes 50% faster probes, upgrades, army if used wisely , which is stronger then the mule you have from time to time and is there to replace workers that are building something, zerg can produce 7 workers at a time from 1 building that costs 300) plus forcing scans etc means about 200 less income per minute for the terran etc etc.
and there are lots of graphs that show an incomewise comparison between the races where terran don't have the lead ;-)
FYI

He lost 25 workers. And to be fair, that was a pure game of throws.
@Game: Also, losing 50 workers, yet being only 8 workers behind hints me at fact, that those 50 workers were lost throughout the game, so that damage was partially mitigated by usual 3 OC production) (we are talking TvZ here :D). And being 8 workers behind as T against Z is not that bad closer to late game.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Sabre
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1086 Posts
August 19 2013 20:19 GMT
#46
On August 20 2013 04:50 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 04:46 Sabre wrote:
Imbatoss drophacks his way to the top of GM and blizzard still does nothing. Hope this doesn't last much longer

IIrc, the other players just left.


seems more like he dropped them tbh but maybe they said, all of them being 0:00 is pretty strange
UK TrackMania Champion | Former SC2 player | http://www.twitter.com/Sabre_CS
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-19 20:24:23
August 19 2013 20:23 GMT
#47
On August 20 2013 05:19 Sabre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 04:50 grs wrote:
On August 20 2013 04:46 Sabre wrote:
Imbatoss drophacks his way to the top of GM and blizzard still does nothing. Hope this doesn't last much longer

IIrc, the other players just left.


seems more like he dropped them tbh but maybe they said, all of them being 0:00 is pretty strange

Nah, does not look like drophack. He has a real game... lose against slivko :D (and another lose: to 2 proxy gates against StarDust). Nah, not drophack for sure.
Also, i love that reaction to 2 proxy gates in form of his own 2 gates lol.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
WonnaPlay
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands912 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-20 12:01:17
August 20 2013 12:01 GMT
#48
On August 20 2013 05:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 05:19 Sabre wrote:
On August 20 2013 04:50 grs wrote:
On August 20 2013 04:46 Sabre wrote:
Imbatoss drophacks his way to the top of GM and blizzard still does nothing. Hope this doesn't last much longer

IIrc, the other players just left.


seems more like he dropped them tbh but maybe they said, all of them being 0:00 is pretty strange

Nah, does not look like drophack. He has a real game... lose against slivko :D (and another lose: to 2 proxy gates against StarDust). Nah, not drophack for sure.
Also, i love that reaction to 2 proxy gates in form of his own 2 gates lol.


Well, making 2 gates in a reaction to 2 proxy gates is hardly any proof (without a replay), since that is the basic counter to a 2 gate...
Shinta)
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
August 20 2013 12:16 GMT
#49
On August 20 2013 00:13 Sated wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 19 2013 23:05 grs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2013 23:03 Sated wrote:
Or ESL could look at this massive shitstorm of a thread, apply some common sense, and ban the hacking cunt..?

If you applied some common sense, you would agree that you can't ban anyone because a shitstorm on the internet. Why none of the people who lost to him, that complained on forum, twitter, chats afterwards has reported him through the ESL interface before yesterday is beyond me.


Correct, thank you. We do not ban someone just because they are unpopular on a community site; not least for the sanctity of the league, but for legal reasons too - unlike any other league I am aware of, we have been to court over banning players for cheating (if I remember correctly, for defamation)

Don't twist my words. You wouldn't be banning them because of "a shitstorm on the internet" or because "they are unpopular on a community site", you would be banning them because they've already been banned for hacking by other organisations.

As far as I'm concerned, hacking in eSPORTS is equatable to banned substance abuse in "real sports" and we should treat it just as harshly. A ban from one tournament should result in a ban from all tournaments. I can understand lesser offences like BM being dealt with on a tournament by tournament basis, but hacking shouldn't be treated that way. ESL shouldn't need proof from a tournament run by ESL, the fact that he's been banned for hacking by other organisations should be more than enough given the number of pro-players who are weighing in on this player's hacking credentials.

th3rogue's response makes it sound like ESL are more worried about covering their own backs, which I suppose is something I fully understand given the size of their operation.


EDIT:

This is a tournament thread so I probably shoudn't continue stinking it up with the hacking debate (hence the spoilers). I understand ESL's position, but I wholly disagree with it.

GLHF to the legit players who'll be competing in this tournament.

If someone breaks the law then applies for a company, it's the companies job to look at what they have.
If the person happened to steal some food from a restaurant he used to work at, and so was fired, it's possible that the law was not involved (blizzard) and so the new company could either talk to the old restaurant (if the same management is still around and kept all their records straight) and find out directly from them why he was fired or let go, then they can choose not to, or to hire him.
If it had been taken to the law like it should have, then the new company wouldn't hire him because he wouldn't meet the criteria set forth by their hiring procedures.

ESL doesn't need to trust forum shit storms, or other organizations banning players. Recently didn't we have that Clan Infinity "scandal" going around?
Something about tournament organizers banning people for map hacking when they weren't map hacking?

The rules are simple, reports lead to investigations, which then lead to rulings.

Try running an organization as large as ESL and trying to not set standard procedures. You'd be living in your self built hell.
Suteki Da Ne 素敵だね Isn't it Wonderful
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 20 2013 12:20 GMT
#50
On August 20 2013 21:01 WonnaPlay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 05:23 lolfail9001 wrote:
On August 20 2013 05:19 Sabre wrote:
On August 20 2013 04:50 grs wrote:
On August 20 2013 04:46 Sabre wrote:
Imbatoss drophacks his way to the top of GM and blizzard still does nothing. Hope this doesn't last much longer

IIrc, the other players just left.


seems more like he dropped them tbh but maybe they said, all of them being 0:00 is pretty strange

Nah, does not look like drophack. He has a real game... lose against slivko :D (and another lose: to 2 proxy gates against StarDust). Nah, not drophack for sure.
Also, i love that reaction to 2 proxy gates in form of his own 2 gates lol.


Well, making 2 gates in a reaction to 2 proxy gates is hardly any proof (without a replay), since that is the basic counter to a 2 gate...

I mean 2 gate in a reaction to 2 SCOUTED proxy gates (i have seen in replay, they were really not even hidden well) and still losing.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
August 20 2013 15:04 GMT
#51
was fun watching marine stream all his games gg good shit son on the win
i came here to kickass and chew bubblegum and i'm all out of bubble gum
Prev 1 2 3 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
15:00
Open Qualifier #2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .219
BRAT_OK 124
UpATreeSC 115
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 4308
Rain 3076
Shuttle 1629
Bisu 1619
Flash 959
Horang2 776
EffOrt 676
firebathero 568
Mong 532
Mini 503
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 463
Hyuk 304
Soulkey 219
Barracks 133
PianO 126
TY 125
Snow 117
hero 113
Dewaltoss 92
Movie 90
sSak 68
Sharp 39
Killer 38
sas.Sziky 35
JYJ29
scan(afreeca) 19
Aegong 18
Terrorterran 10
SilentControl 8
[sc1f]eonzerg 4
Stormgate
TKL 196
Dota 2
Gorgc7022
qojqva4267
Dendi2429
syndereN406
XcaliburYe243
League of Legends
Reynor89
Counter-Strike
ScreaM2524
fl0m2259
flusha433
kRYSTAL_63
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox456
Other Games
singsing1867
KnowMe436
Lowko398
crisheroes238
B2W.Neo117
Trikslyr66
QueenE48
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 99
• davetesta36
• iHatsuTV 14
• Dystopia_ 9
• Hinosc 6
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix16
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3777
• WagamamaTV560
• Shiphtur290
• masondota2165
League of Legends
• Nemesis5214
• TFBlade750
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
6h 52m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
17h 52m
Stormgate Nexus
20h 52m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 52m
The PondCast
1d 16h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.