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Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2955 Posts
August 15 2013 12:06 GMT
#521
On August 15 2013 21:05 Raambo11 wrote:
Why is there not a 3 way tie even if Jjakji wins? The other day we had a 3 way tie even though one of the players had a map win over the other two..really confusing


Depends on the Head-2-head results. And KangHo would have won against the other 2.
NHY
Profile Joined October 2010
1013 Posts
August 15 2013 12:06 GMT
#522
On August 15 2013 21:04 Taf the Ghost wrote:
What's the tie-breaker like if we get a 5-way? Do we have play a "play until you lose" system, with the first to 3 victories goes in?


Basically you turn the clock 3 hours and start over.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 15 2013 12:06 GMT
#523
On August 15 2013 21:05 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Omg. I can't believe KangHo lost to Shine.

The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.


Don't disrespect Seed and Jjakji, they played brilliantly to win their respective championships and had to go trough tough opponents. Seed's run in particular was amazing, defeated Symbol trough a reverse sweep 3-2, defeated Byun the same way, 3-2 displaying incredible mental fortitude and patience and in the grand final he dismantled MC displaying superior knowledge of PvP at the time and brilliant micro.

Too many people here have the nerve to downplay the efforts of the past champions, they may have only shone for 2 months but they where the best players of those two months, give them the respect they deserve.

On topic, interesting game from effort and Hurricane, really crazy scenario, its a bit too bad effort didn't read the situation better, I think he could have crushed that 2 base push, though I guess Hurricane was banking on forcing lots of units and recalling out if the situation went sour. Still glad effort won.


Seed vs Symbol was incredibly sloppy and it's a shame MC wasn't in shape when the finals were played.

Jjakji had an insanely lucky run to even reach the finals in the first place, riddled with mediocre and poor games, although to his only credit the finals was fantastic.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
Raambo11
Profile Joined April 2011
United States828 Posts
August 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#524
On August 15 2013 21:05 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Omg. I can't believe KangHo lost to Shine.

The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.


Don't disrespect Seed and Jjakji, they played brilliantly to win their respective championships and had to go trough tough opponents. Seed's run in particular was amazing, defeated Symbol trough a reverse sweep 3-2, defeated Byun the same way, 3-2 displaying incredible mental fortitude and patience and in the grand final he dismantled MC displaying superior knowledge of PvP at the time and brilliant micro.

Too many people here have the nerve to downplay the efforts of the past champions, they may have only shone for 2 months but they where the best players of those two months, give them the respect they deserve.

On topic, interesting game from effort and Hurricane, really crazy scenario, its a bit too bad effort didn't read the situation better, I think he could have crushed that 2 base push, though I guess Hurricane was banking on forcing lots of units and recalling out if the situation went sour. Still glad effort won.


Jjakji and leenock still hold the title IMO of best finals as well, Jjakji was truly the best player in the world at the time
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#525
On August 15 2013 21:03 TheDougler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:54 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Omg. I can't believe KangHo lost to Shine.

The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.

Implying that jjakji didn't play really well and just lucked his way to championship?


With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying.

I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games.


Indeed, the Coca thing and that bizarre base race against supernova made jjakji the strangest champion of all time IMO


Sniper is still bottom of the barrel for me. He's like the least distinguishable zerg I've ever seen. His run was better than Jjakji's but worse than Seed's. Yet, unlike Seed he did stick around for just a little bit longer.

Still, of the 3 Jjakji has had the greatest longevity of the 3 considering he stayed in code S a little bit longer after winning, almost solely kept NSH alive, made a decent run in Iron Squid, and won a fairly good tournament to qualify for IPL4. It might sound like I'm desperate, but really all 3 of those champs have so few results I need something to distinguish them with.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 12:07:40
August 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#526
On August 15 2013 21:05 Destructicon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Omg. I can't believe KangHo lost to Shine.

The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.


Don't disrespect Seed and Jjakji, they played brilliantly to win their respective championships and had to go trough tough opponents. Seed's run in particular was amazing, defeated Symbol trough a reverse sweep 3-2, defeated Byun the same way, 3-2 displaying incredible mental fortitude and patience and in the grand final he dismantled MC displaying superior knowledge of PvP at the time and brilliant micro.

Too many people here have the nerve to downplay the efforts of the past champions, they may have only shone for 2 months but they where the best players of those two months, give them the respect they deserve.

On topic, interesting game from effort and Hurricane, really crazy scenario, its a bit too bad effort didn't read the situation better, I think he could have crushed that 2 base push, though I guess Hurricane was banking on forcing lots of units and recalling out if the situation went sour. Still glad effort won.


"superior knowledge of PvP", aka 4 gate.

I agree 100% though, it's easy to laugh at "washed up" champions now, but a win is a win, and no matter how you get there, winning code s is god damn hard.

No-one is saying that Seed/Jjakji/Sniper etc are better than Mvp. But at the time of their respective championships, they were.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
August 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#527
On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:54 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
[quote]
The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.

Implying that jjakji didn't play really well and just lucked his way to championship?


With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying.

I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games.

Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good.


I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs.


Jjakji-Leenock still delivered the best finals in terms of games. He did get good draws and lucky consequences. Then again, so did Sniper. Seed actually beat very good opponents and various races, etc. At least Jjakji is more relevant than Sniper now.
Yello
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany7411 Posts
August 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#528
On August 15 2013 21:06 ETisME wrote:
5 ways tier, imagine how stressful it is for the players


or for me. Got to watch constant 7 hours of GSL Up/Downs :D
Just ahead of time, know your addiction's not a crime. It's just a smaller part of who you want to become in the end.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
August 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#529
It's funny because Shine and Effort could forever be the masters of ties.
Rollora
Profile Joined February 2012
2450 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#530
On August 15 2013 21:04 Fyzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 21:04 Rollora wrote:
On August 15 2013 21:00 Fyzar wrote:
Why the fuck is he not making a probe lol, what is he going to use the 60 minerals for -_-.

or the 220 he had when the contain started?
But he had a changeling in his main, if he makes a probe, Zerg sends 1 muta over...

Ohh, I didn't see a changeling ~ that changes it a bit then I guess.

yeah. and there was always the thread of mutas without large ammounts of cannons Zerg could always go for the snipe, recharches/heals muta -> snipes another probe. Yes, he could have tried it, but he had to gamble: if he loses the probes it was worth nothing.
actually i wonder why Zerg didn't send 3 or 4 mutas over, just to slowly kill buildings. Protoss ofc tried to dry out the Zerg, I'll never understand the last attack
Darkthorn
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania912 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#531
5 way pls =))
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#532
The rocks strike again! Omg.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8309 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#533
On August 15 2013 21:05 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 21:05 ZAiNs wrote:
Has there ever been a 5-way tie before?


No, but OSL has had a day of four 3-way tiebreakers involving Shine and EffOrt.


And one time was close but a Kespa Zerg fucked up if I recall
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#534
Shit I had stuff to do today, if it's a shine-way tie it looks like this will last about 3-4 more hours O_O
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#535
On August 15 2013 21:07 Raambo11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 21:05 Destructicon wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Omg. I can't believe KangHo lost to Shine.

The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.


Don't disrespect Seed and Jjakji, they played brilliantly to win their respective championships and had to go trough tough opponents. Seed's run in particular was amazing, defeated Symbol trough a reverse sweep 3-2, defeated Byun the same way, 3-2 displaying incredible mental fortitude and patience and in the grand final he dismantled MC displaying superior knowledge of PvP at the time and brilliant micro.

Too many people here have the nerve to downplay the efforts of the past champions, they may have only shone for 2 months but they where the best players of those two months, give them the respect they deserve.

On topic, interesting game from effort and Hurricane, really crazy scenario, its a bit too bad effort didn't read the situation better, I think he could have crushed that 2 base push, though I guess Hurricane was banking on forcing lots of units and recalling out if the situation went sour. Still glad effort won.


Jjakji and leenock still hold the title IMO of best finals as well, Jjakji was truly the best player in the world at the time


At the time of the finals? Sure. Were the finals amazing? Sure. But people tend to forget how incredibly poor and lucky the rest of his run was.
"my shaft scares me too" - strenx 2014
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#536
Yes, 3 rax play from jjakji. Solid choice vs Shine.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
August 15 2013 12:08 GMT
#537
wanting the 5 way tie to happen will make it not happen. if you really want it just cheer for shine to lose.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
August 15 2013 12:09 GMT
#538
we're on our way to a 5 way tie
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
August 15 2013 12:10 GMT
#539
On August 15 2013 21:04 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 21:02 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:56 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:54 KristofferAG wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:51 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:50 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:49 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:48 DidYuhim wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:46 LimitSEA wrote:
On August 15 2013 20:44 Fusilero wrote:
[quote]
The disbelief fuels shine.

But it's Shine. Jesus. What planet am I living on?

Somehow, Maru is the OSL champion.

It's the planet we live on.


Still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL.

Nah, it's somewhere around Sniper winning GSL.


And Sniper winning GSL is still better than Jjakji or Seed winning GSL. Because Sniper actually played very well that season.

Implying that jjakji didn't play really well and just lucked his way to championship?


With the sole exception of the finals, that is very much what I am implying.

I mean I give NesTea a lot of flak but at least his wins were always convincing. Jjakji barely scraped through to reach the finals and delivered a lot of mediocre/uninspired games.

Except it's bullshit. His game v Killer in the Ro32? Awesome, even if he ended up losing, relentless. His game v Supernova in the same group is still one of the most amazing TvTs ever. Sure he lucked out in the Ro16 and only had to beat Gumi, and both his games v Mvp and Gumi were pretty scrappy and bad. But there's no way you can say his games v Oz weren't interesting at least, and even if he stomped Puzzle it was not because of Puzzle being bad, but jjakji being good.


I disagree. Puzzle played like shit (like in every other Ro8 appearance he had) and the games vs Oz were some of the worst PvT I've ever watched. On paper Oz should've won that 3-0, but he made lots of mistakes and ended up losing. And I guarantee that if CoCa had took part in Code S Jjakji would have never made it to Playoffs.

jjakji shows the best TvZ on the planet. -> "he would have lost to Coca"
ok...
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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
August 15 2013 12:10 GMT
#540
fuck artosis is rotting for shine on twitter
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