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On August 06 2013 19:01 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 18:59 bo1b wrote:On August 06 2013 18:58 DragoonTT wrote: Watched this game with a friend of mine (avid FPS player). He doesn't understand why I'm saying SC2 needs so much micro when you can get tons of free units and anti-micro abilities. Hoping for some games now to convince him this slugfest wasn't representative You still need a ton of micro vs a protoss air comp of that size, those free units don't stop that Tell him even with a roccat launcher you have to aim Then tell him to play ut so you can shoot three roccats at once
+ Show Spoiler +subtle roccat advertising?
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On August 06 2013 19:00 Vertitto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 18:58 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:55 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:53 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:51 graNite wrote: the viper feels not zergy to me at all. and it doesnt make any sense. How so? It's incredibly similar to the defiler, the only real difference being the tongue instead of playguu. i guess the abduct has as much sense as hellbats being bio (only for balance purposes) I imagine it being something like a frog's tongue, but with a hard bone tip that spears things. yea but abduting huge things like tempests, carriers, collosi, battlecruisers is comical to say at least
Well I always assume that one supply in Sc2 represents roughly a 1000 units except for the big units.
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On August 06 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: I'm trying to imagine how lolzish zvp would be without vipers or swarmhosts isn't it the other way around? Oo
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On August 06 2013 18:58 Sokrates wrote: Bad play by symbol.There was NO REASON not to have hydra/roach tech available to him. He could have won this game easily.
First didnt impress me at all though... He got lucky, wasted like 3k minerals into zealots that were fighting against broodlings.
Roach, hydra is horrible late game, First's warp in of reinforcement archons and stalkers coupled with the colossus and voids he still had left over would have absolutely obliterated any roach hydra reinforcement.
You give very little credit to First, he played it out very well, and very patient, read the situation, did harass where he could, got the appropriate tech and units, microed well and minimized the losses he would get form the wave of free units, and then he struck perfectly, broke Symbol's defense and plowed trough the SH.
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On August 06 2013 19:04 Vertitto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: I'm trying to imagine how lolzish zvp would be without vipers or swarmhosts isn't it the other way around? Oo I mean it would be almost impossible for zerg to win once protoss got a suitable amount of voidrays + colossus
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What is this music, isn't it from MLG?
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On August 06 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: I'm trying to imagine how lolzish zvp would be without vipers or swarmhosts I imagine it'd go back to brolord/imbafester or just pure muta.
Alternately, an all in every game. Basically 2012 WoL in reverse.
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On August 06 2013 19:06 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: I'm trying to imagine how lolzish zvp would be without vipers or swarmhosts I imagine it'd go back to brolord/imbafester or just pure muta. It would have to be pure muta out of those two options, brolord/imbafestor would get shit on late game
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On August 06 2013 18:58 DragoonTT wrote: Watched this game with a friend of mine (avid FPS player). He doesn't understand why I'm saying SC2 needs so much micro when you can get tons of free units and anti-micro abilities (his words, not mine). Hoping for some games now to convince him this slugfest wasn't representative Show him these videos + Show Spoiler +
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On August 06 2013 19:03 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:00 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:58 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:55 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:53 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:51 graNite wrote: the viper feels not zergy to me at all. and it doesnt make any sense. How so? It's incredibly similar to the defiler, the only real difference being the tongue instead of playguu. i guess the abduct has as much sense as hellbats being bio (only for balance purposes) I imagine it being something like a frog's tongue, but with a hard bone tip that spears things. yea but abduting huge things like tempests, carriers, collosi, battlecruisers is comical to say at least Well I always assume that one supply in Sc2 represents roughly a 1000 units except for the big units. army of abducting vipers seem to be even more hilarious  I just imagine them standing in line with a supervisor screaming "1...2....3.. and POOL... 1....2....3... AND POOL" and a battlecruiser moves slowly meter after meter ; D
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On August 06 2013 19:08 Vertitto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:03 Ysellian wrote:On August 06 2013 19:00 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:58 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:55 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:53 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:51 graNite wrote: the viper feels not zergy to me at all. and it doesnt make any sense. How so? It's incredibly similar to the defiler, the only real difference being the tongue instead of playguu. i guess the abduct has as much sense as hellbats being bio (only for balance purposes) I imagine it being something like a frog's tongue, but with a hard bone tip that spears things. yea but abduting huge things like tempests, carriers, collosi, battlecruisers is comical to say at least Well I always assume that one supply in Sc2 represents roughly a 1000 units except for the big units. army of abducting vipers seem to be even more hilarious  I just imagine them standing in line with a supervisor screaming "1...2....3.. and POOL... 1....2....3... AND POOL" and a battlecruiser moves slowly meter after meter ; D
hahahah true XD
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On August 06 2013 19:05 bo1b wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:04 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: I'm trying to imagine how lolzish zvp would be without vipers or swarmhosts isn't it the other way around? Oo I mean it would be almost impossible for zerg to win once protoss got a suitable amount of voidrays + colossus and from the other hand it's almost impossible for protoss to get such ammount of voids and colossus. One play provokes the other ; (
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On August 06 2013 19:05 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 18:58 Sokrates wrote: Bad play by symbol.There was NO REASON not to have hydra/roach tech available to him. He could have won this game easily.
First didnt impress me at all though... He got lucky, wasted like 3k minerals into zealots that were fighting against broodlings. Roach, hydra is horrible late game, First's warp in of reinforcement archons and stalkers coupled with the colossus and voids he still had left over would have absolutely obliterated any roach hydra reinforcement. You give very little credit to First, he played it out very well, and very patient, read the situation, did harass where he could, got the appropriate tech and units, microed well and minimized the losses he would get form the wave of free units, and then he struck perfectly, broke Symbol's defense and plowed trough the SH.
No, no roach hydra tech was why he lost that game. He had like 12 corrupters left, when nearly all lolossi and voids were gone. The only chance first had was to burst break symbol with a massive warpin.
First didnt play good at all, what was outstanding about this play? Nothing, symbol played much better, getting single voids+ tempest. Using his corrupters well, first did nothing but burst symbol. And he even did that badly. A lot of voids war scattered away from each other so corrupters could pick them up one by one. That is why symbol had 12 corrupters left after the big fight.
If he would have had roach hydra tech available then he could have easily clean up the archon+stalker warpins.
First did nothing well, it was just symbols mistake to lose his greater spire 2x for free, placing it in a very unprotected location.
First even lost 20 zealots for free fighting broodlords.
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On August 06 2013 19:05 Azza wrote: What is this music, isn't it from MLG?
Haha, yeah that guitar part is definitely the same. Some stock stuff which you can buy, methinks.
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On August 06 2013 19:10 Vertitto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:05 bo1b wrote:On August 06 2013 19:04 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 19:02 bo1b wrote: I'm trying to imagine how lolzish zvp would be without vipers or swarmhosts isn't it the other way around? Oo I mean it would be almost impossible for zerg to win once protoss got a suitable amount of voidrays + colossus and from the other hand it's almost impossible for protoss to get such ammount of voids and colossus. One play provokes the other ; ( myunsiks pvz style looks pretty good for getting that out
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On August 06 2013 19:08 Vertitto wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2013 19:03 Ysellian wrote:On August 06 2013 19:00 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:58 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:55 Vertitto wrote:On August 06 2013 18:53 Daralii wrote:On August 06 2013 18:51 graNite wrote: the viper feels not zergy to me at all. and it doesnt make any sense. How so? It's incredibly similar to the defiler, the only real difference being the tongue instead of playguu. i guess the abduct has as much sense as hellbats being bio (only for balance purposes) I imagine it being something like a frog's tongue, but with a hard bone tip that spears things. yea but abduting huge things like tempests, carriers, collosi, battlecruisers is comical to say at least Well I always assume that one supply in Sc2 represents roughly a 1000 units except for the big units. army of abducting vipers seem to be even more hilarious  I just imagine them standing in line with a supervisor screaming "1...2....3.. and POOL... 1....2....3... AND POOL" and a battlecruiser moves slowly meter after meter ; D The BCs we can build have a crew of 4,000, so the old Russian man must have a really loud voice. >_>
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go go supernova, we need to set a sign ! no zergs in the Finals.
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Why on earth would you 6 pool :\
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