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ujonecro
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom846 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 20:28:41
July 19 2013 20:28 GMT
#1481
Lucifron clutch defense!
Emzeeshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada4203 Posts
July 19 2013 20:28 GMT
#1482
--- Nuked ---
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
July 19 2013 20:28 GMT
#1483
Sort of close. Sort of a bad attack. Sort of a great nickname :D
jimothyjim
Profile Joined August 2011
Great Britain836 Posts
July 19 2013 20:28 GMT
#1484
Somehow Goswsers mouse cursor has disappeared mid game :S
Go Hyvaa, Hyun, Maru, DRG, NaNiwa, MaNa, Genius, Dimaga, Scarlett, Soulkey, First! Elfi is God.
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 19 2013 20:29 GMT
#1485
How sour is SortOf after not taking out that base.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Arawyn
Profile Joined May 2010
United States191 Posts
July 19 2013 20:29 GMT
#1486
JD vs TheSTC @ http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#1487
Diggin' Luci's control. Diggin' this game.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
July 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#1488
On July 20 2013 05:26 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 05:25 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 20 2013 05:24 Godwrath wrote:
Artosis will never forgive bomber.

I guess he holds a grudge that "third-rate terran" defends hellbat drops better than Flash.

i don't understand how it's possible to not love Bomber

He broke my heart countless times. But i still like him for some reason...
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#1489
Wish ADBC would stop zooming out, it really drops the FPS.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
July 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#1490
I'm loving the 1 tank luci has was this push.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
July 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#1491
Wait why does Luci have zero medivacs?
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
July 19 2013 20:30 GMT
#1492
On July 20 2013 05:29 Arawyn wrote:
JD vs TheSTC @ http://www.twitch.tv/nathanias


How did STC´s first game go?
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 19 2013 20:31 GMT
#1493
On July 20 2013 05:26 Schelim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2013 05:25 DidYuhim wrote:
On July 20 2013 05:24 Godwrath wrote:
Artosis will never forgive bomber.

I guess he holds a grudge that "third-rate terran" defends hellbat drops better than Flash.

i don't understand how it's possible to not love Bomber

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scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 20:31:47
July 19 2013 20:31 GMT
#1494
that save on the fourth by Luci was pretty amazing....

also tefel 1:0 stephano
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
DidYuhim
Profile Joined September 2011
Ukraine1905 Posts
July 19 2013 20:31 GMT
#1495
On July 20 2013 05:30 KristofferAG wrote:
Wait why does Luci have zero medivacs?

He's trying to pull the Bomber "Mother Russia" strat.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-19 20:32:10
July 19 2013 20:31 GMT
#1496
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On July 20 2013 05:28 Emzeeshady wrote:
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On July 20 2013 05:10 Arco wrote:
On July 20 2013 05:08 virpi wrote:
zvp is so stupid.

It's kind of sad. Protoss and Zerg are such terribly designed races when they clash together. At least TvZ and PvT are pretty stable and similar (in ways) to their SC1/BW counterparts. PvZ is just a clash of the "SC2 gimmicks," Warpgate all ins, Immortal/Sentry armies smashing Zergs, late game Zerg smashing Protoss. Boring Skytoss mass air units and caster A-move compositions.

Terran has the best matchups, it's no coincidence they are the best designed race and TvT is the "best" matchup.

I disagree, I think Protoss is terribly designed in almost everyday but although Zerg has some issues the race is designed well overall.

The relationship between Zerg and Terran units is the best and most exciting in SC2. SC2 developers did a great job in balancing the mid game between MMM and Muta/Ling/Baneling to the point where both races have the opportunity to be aggressive or defensive and both are rewarded by great micro and macro mechanics. There are harassment options aplenty (Mutas, hellion/ling runbys and drops), there are viable al ins and timing pushes and there are offensive and defensive options to use.

The problem with ZvZ imo is Roaches are a little too strong in the mid game. Some people dislike the early ling/bane wars but I love them. Roach vs Roach battles are boring and there is really no incentive for one player to split up his roaches because the infestor is weak to the point of uselessness in zvz with the projectile and dmg vs armour nerf. This results in big balls of roaches fighting each other. ZvZ still has lots of great elements going for it though. There is a strong defenders advantage, aggression and defensive play is all equally viable and different compositions in the early and late game are always a possibility.

Compare this to a Protoss matchup like PvT where you will see NO deviation. It will always be gateway plus templar or colossi in the midgame with a combination of these in the lategame. Terran will ALWAYS be the aggressor in the mid game and they will use the same units to do so. Only bio compositions are viable and there are no tech switches accept for the obvious Colossi to Templar and vice versa. The Protoss will ALWAYS initiate these and the Terran is always the one responding. These kinds of certainties every game are extremely boring.

Another factor Protoss matchups struggle with is constant and multi pronged aggression. Protoss NEEDS to have their army in a ball or it makes the weaker. FFs are NEEDED in one area or the Protoss have never fight straight up. This means you are NOT rewarded as a Protoss in the midgame to split up your army to do damage like you are as a Terran with bio or a Zerg with Roaches or Mutas. This makes every Protoss fight one straight up engagement that the winner will often just use to push in and win the game there and then. Anticlimatic and always boring.

The only reason people actually like TvP better then ZvZ is probably because it is "prettier". Actually most Protoss players probably only play Toss for this reason.


Modern PvT templar builds damn sure encourage the Protoss to split his army up, it's actually a very enjoyable matchup when the P goes for that style. I agree that Colossus stuff is boring as hell though.

Also, Protoss is way more forcefield dependent vs Z than T because of how easily lair tech units overwhelm Protoss armies; that's the reason why the WoL map pool had such easy thirds, and why Protoss players tend to allin a lot more on a map like, say, Star Station or Planet S where it's incredibly hard to hold your third
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
July 19 2013 20:32 GMT
#1497
Stephano on the brink of elimination O_O
MichaelScott
Profile Joined April 2013
42 Posts
July 19 2013 20:32 GMT
#1498
stephano out
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
July 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#1499
tefel at 200 vs 136 supply... looks like 2:0
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
July 19 2013 20:33 GMT
#1500
I think I hear Major with Nathanias? Who else is there?
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