Another nice day. I think this Round Robin so much better. Players have time to prepare. Players have to play all the group, so we dont end with "Hey but we dont got Flash x Life"
Don't forget (and maybe add into OP somehow?) that OGN will be showing their variety show StarHangShow subtitled for global audience starting tomorrow! From what I've heard, they will be showing half of the show right before and half of the show right after the WCS broadcast. Source. Also, Chobra commented some here on reddit.
On July 09 2013 08:50 Ammanas wrote: Don't forget (and maybe add into OP somehow?) that OGN will be showing their variety show StarHangShow subtitled for global audience starting tomorrow! From what I've heard, they will be showing half of the show right before and half of the show right after the WCS broadcast. Source. Also, Chobra commented some here on reddit.
Aw yes, now we just need GSTL to show us their secret Korean programs -_-
Writers for what exactly? If there are no output requirements (I am only free middle of the month) then I might be interested. I was planning on doing a Proleague recap since I watched so much of it.
On July 09 2013 10:24 lichter wrote: Writers for what exactly? If there are no output requirements (I am only free middle of the month) then I might be interested. I was planning on doing a Proleague recap since I watched so much of it.
well I like regular contributors but the goal is to create more flexibility by having more writers to spread the work between
On July 09 2013 10:24 lichter wrote: Writers for what exactly? If there are no output requirements (I am only free middle of the month) then I might be interested. I was planning on doing a Proleague recap since I watched so much of it.
well I like regular contributors but the goal is to create more flexibility by having more writers to spread the work between
spread out the work? I thought you were running a sweatshop?
On July 09 2013 08:50 Ammanas wrote: Don't forget (and maybe add into OP somehow?) that OGN will be showing their variety show StarHangShow subtitled for global audience starting tomorrow! From what I've heard, they will be showing half of the show right before and half of the show right after the WCS broadcast. Source. Also, Chobra commented some here on reddit.
Aw yes, now we just need GSTL to show us their secret Korean programs -_-
I really liked Baneling, then Snowbird got shipped off to Azubu land... RIP in peace Snowbird
On July 09 2013 08:50 Ammanas wrote: Don't forget (and maybe add into OP somehow?) that OGN will be showing their variety show StarHangShow subtitled for global audience starting tomorrow! From what I've heard, they will be showing half of the show right before and half of the show right after the WCS broadcast. Source. Also, Chobra commented some here on reddit.
Aw yes, now we just need GSTL to show us their secret Korean programs -_-
I really liked Baneling, then Snowbird got shipped off to Azubu land... RIP in peace Snowbird
I miss Off the record, they had some good episodes.
On July 09 2013 08:50 Ammanas wrote: Don't forget (and maybe add into OP somehow?) that OGN will be showing their variety show StarHangShow subtitled for global audience starting tomorrow! From what I've heard, they will be showing half of the show right before and half of the show right after the WCS broadcast. Source. Also, Chobra commented some here on reddit.
Aw yes, now we just need GSTL to show us their secret Korean programs -_-
I really liked Baneling, then Snowbird got shipped off to Azubu land... RIP in peace Snowbird
I miss Off the record, they had some good episodes.
Heck, to be honest, my favorite was the Pregame SHOW! with Mr. Chae and Engine. Was chill times with the two coolest casters around.
Chobra if you're reading the thread, did you do the subtitles for this yourself? It's nice to have stuff like this translated. Also, It's a good idea to start the stream 15-20 mins early like this to build the viewer count up a bit before the games start.
wow your puns just don't have any soul put into them, maybe the key is innovation. Hopefully this will the first and last puns we see from you, otherwise a future poll made by you will be a trap.
On July 09 2013 18:03 bo1b wrote: Artosis' smile looks like Mitt Romneys sometimes.
that might be the meanest thing anyone ever said to Artosis
It could also be the best thing.
After all, mitt romney is a wealthy man, who's reasonably attractive, graduated from Harvard with pretty solid results and with the amount of children he has is obviously reasonably active in bed. If you ignore everything else it sounds pretty good
On July 09 2013 17:52 Dodgin wrote: Chobra if you're reading the thread, did you do the subtitles for this yourself? It's nice to have stuff like this translated. Also, It's a good idea to start the stream 15-20 mins early like this to build the viewer count up a bit before the games start.
Yes, this season I'll be doing the subtitles for the show. Glad you guys are enjoying it. I know there were some typos and overall could use a lot improvement, so please give me any feedback. I couldn't QA this one as it was a bit rushed but should get ironed out over the season.
but now to WCS! show will continue as an after show =]
On July 09 2013 17:52 Dodgin wrote: Chobra if you're reading the thread, did you do the subtitles for this yourself? It's nice to have stuff like this translated. Also, It's a good idea to start the stream 15-20 mins early like this to build the viewer count up a bit before the games start.
Yes, this season I'll be doing the subtitles for the show. Glad you guys are enjoying it. I know there were some typos and overall could use a lot improvement, so please give me any feedback. I couldn't QA this one as it was a bit rushed but should get ironed out over the season.
but now to WCS! show will continue as an after show =]
On July 09 2013 18:11 mrtomjones wrote: How does the Round of 16 work for this? Do they play everyone and top two move on or do they do it Gom Style, but slower paced?
It's round robin with tiebreakers done via more games instead of mapscore or headtohead
Maybe speed would be better than Banelings? More ability to rush in and kill Drones and then swarm lower Zergling numbers? On the other hand, maybe it would be possible to just use Banelings to hold the ramp and kill the nat.
On July 09 2013 18:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This is why I can't understand why people miss mutas. It's like, you get a little behind and it snowballs massively.
At least roach fights can be very back and forth
I think people just got bored of pure roach, which really only lasted a small amount of time.
On July 09 2013 18:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This is why I can't understand why people miss mutas. It's like, you get a little behind and it snowballs massively.
At least roach fights can be very back and forth
but roaches are the most boring unit in the game. yes they are more boring than hellbats or swarm hosts. well maybe not swarm hosts.
On July 09 2013 18:38 Big J wrote: "You know how I make sure to not catchup? Make a spire vs your mutalisks. MUAHAHAHAHA!"
Yeah I didn't really get that either. I'm pretty sure he saw the spire with the ling runby and he was already behind. Maybe he was really confident in his multitask/control >_>?
On July 09 2013 18:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This is why I can't understand why people miss mutas. It's like, you get a little behind and it snowballs massively.
At least roach fights can be very back and forth
Roaches are incredibly slow and boring to watch. Hydras cure that problem a little, but yeah. I'd miss mutas if scourge was in the game. Micro makes the game so much more intense. Ah well, I enjoy BW ZvZ like few others so.
On July 09 2013 18:37 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: This is why I can't understand why people miss mutas. It's like, you get a little behind and it snowballs massively.
At least roach fights can be very back and forth
but roaches are the most boring unit in the game. yes they are more boring than hellbats or swarm hosts. well maybe not swarm hosts.
The beauty of roach play is that you need to find the right amount of Roaches while transitioning into Roach + Hydra/Infestor. There is always a moment in the game where you could have transitioned. So if both players play perfect they should always end up with an endgame composition.
On July 09 2013 18:27 Otolia wrote: Soulkey nevers loses when he wins the first set. That's rather impressive.
he hasnt played that many BoXs in sc2 lol...
so kinda useless stat...
14-0 is not impressive?
Still not enough to be able to make real stats out of.
It's an impressive streak, it's not about statistics -.-
Sure, I absolutely agree. But the argument was about statistics. I guess a pet peeve is that Starcraft, particularly GOM and OGN show off "stats" a lot of the time which aren't actually real statistics.
On July 09 2013 18:44 Wintex wrote: How would you guys feel about a tri cast with DOA, Monte and whiplash. Since snm is going to go to school or something.
I don't know. Any two of them would do (read Doa+1) but all three?
On July 09 2013 18:27 Otolia wrote: Soulkey nevers loses when he wins the first set. That's rather impressive.
he hasnt played that many BoXs in sc2 lol...
so kinda useless stat...
14-0 is not impressive?
Still not enough to be able to make real stats out of.
It's an impressive streak, it's not about statistics -.-
Sure, I absolutely agree. But the argument was about statistics. I guess a pet peeve is that Starcraft, particularly GOM and OGN show off "stats" a lot of the time which aren't actually real statistics.
Are you going to be elitist about statistics? Because I am pretty sure that counting wins versus losses and put them in a graph is defined as doing statistics.
On July 09 2013 18:27 Otolia wrote: Soulkey nevers loses when he wins the first set. That's rather impressive.
he hasnt played that many BoXs in sc2 lol...
so kinda useless stat...
14-0 is not impressive?
Still not enough to be able to make real stats out of.
It's an impressive streak, it's not about statistics -.-
Sure, I absolutely agree. But the argument was about statistics. I guess a pet peeve is that Starcraft, particularly GOM and OGN show off "stats" a lot of the time which aren't actually real statistics.
On July 09 2013 18:27 Otolia wrote: Soulkey nevers loses when he wins the first set. That's rather impressive.
he hasnt played that many BoXs in sc2 lol...
so kinda useless stat...
14-0 is not impressive?
Still not enough to be able to make real stats out of.
It's an impressive streak, it's not about statistics -.-
Sure, I absolutely agree. But the argument was about statistics. I guess a pet peeve is that Starcraft, particularly GOM and OGN show off "stats" a lot of the time which aren't actually real statistics.
On July 09 2013 18:44 Wintex wrote: How would you guys feel about a tri cast with DOA, Monte and whiplash. Since snm is going to go to school or something.
I'd prefer just DoA and Monte, good chemistry and a tier above imo
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Well, Jaedong has a better ZvZ win percentage than Soulkey and has almost double the amount of games, and is also 1-0 in ZvZ head to head against SK, but that win was a while ago.
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Jaedong is 30-3 in ZvZ, Soulkey is 13-3. You tell me which is better. Also, Jaedong 1-0 Soulkey.
On July 09 2013 18:54 Big-t wrote: Why is Soulkey not in the Round of 8 already? He has 2-0 recored atm, has this also changed?
What? He just won his second game and he is on.
This OSL is round robin format, not GSL style group stage format. Therefore, it's still possible that there's a 2-1 tie for 1st place and then there would be tiebreakers.
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Jaedong has a higher winrate and he's 1-0 vs SK, his stats are padded by non WCS KR/PL games though.
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Jaedong is 30-3 in ZvZ, Soulkey is 13-3. You tell me which is better. Also, Jaedong 1-0 Soulkey.
That's very misleading, take out matches vs foreigners plz.
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Jaedong has a higher winrate and he's 1-0 vs SK, his stats are padded by non WCS KR/PL games though.
On July 09 2013 18:54 Big-t wrote: Why is Soulkey not in the Round of 8 already? He has 2-0 recored atm, has this also changed?
What? He just won his second game and he is on.
This OSL is round robin format, not GSL style group stage format. Therefore, it's still possible that there's a 2-1 tie for 1st place and then there would be tiebreakers.
Yeh I forgot that when I was writing it. Is it possible but I think he will be 1st in the group and it is high chance that Tie wont happen
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Well, Jaedong has a better ZvZ win percentage than Soulkey and has almost double the amount of games, and is also 1-0 in ZvZ head to head against SK, but that win was a while ago.
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Well, Jaedong has a better ZvZ win percentage than Soulkey and has almost double the amount of games, and is also 1-0 in ZvZ head to head against SK, but that win was a while ago.
On July 09 2013 18:55 PerSe wrote: After slaying Life, Roro, Symbol and now Soo, I think Soulkey has established himself as the best ZvZer, dunno if JvZ is as good.
Jaedong has a higher winrate and he's 1-0 vs SK, his stats are padded by non WCS KR/PL games though.
so bbyong just played SPL then hiked over to gomtv ? :D sick 2 tvt matches in 2 diff buildings in the same day. id like to think hed do pretty well vs innovation b/c of this
On July 09 2013 19:16 GolemMadness wrote: Bbyong probably get the better end of that, but why did it take him SO LONG to react? Like almost 10 seconds.
he didnt.
Innovation traded army for scvs. Since the bbyong wont break innvovation its bad for him.
On July 09 2013 19:14 robson1 wrote: How long till that friggin patch?
prob tomorrow
what? they do it before flash vs bomber? That's pretty brutal, whoever prepared hellbat drops now just has a 5day training disadvantage.
Well there is never ever a good day for a patch since WCS started.
friday. The information that hellbats will be nerfed this week is out, everybody who trains them from now on is just stupid. However, the information has only come out yesterday. So every training done up to yesterday gets nullified if they patch before the match.
On July 09 2013 19:19 sharkie wrote: oh my god, is TvT just hellbats vs hellbats now?
Soon it will just be banshees vs banshees so not much will really change.
The patch is not even due, but the balance whine has already begun.
Hold your QQs for a moment, sir.
I don't mind one way or other because banshee vs banshee was what it was during several months of WoL. I just cant see a different opening being better.
i'm a huge fan of mech play, but lately every single TvT looks exactly the same... the play is really good, but it's so fuckin predictable and i don't really like base trading being a standard part of a matchup.
Decent game. It's still a bit silly somehow though to never ever see transformation being used, I'd love to see some hellion action mixed in and actual transformer action.
On July 09 2013 19:32 FakePseudo wrote: Dayumm those TvT are too much fun.
They suck compared to tank marine action.
Not really. Both have different "fun" in spectating.
The HOTS mech vs mech reminds me of BW alot. Lots of drops, denying bases, re-positioning, back and forth etc. Positional wars are so great to watch and it really shows whos better in terms of orchestrating their strategy.
On July 09 2013 19:32 FakePseudo wrote: Dayumm those TvT are too much fun.
They suck compared to tank marine action.
Not really. Both have different "fun" in spectating.
The HOTS mech vs mech reminds me of BW alot. Lots of drops, denying bases, re-positioning, back and forth etc. Positional wars are so great to watch and it really shows whos better in terms of orchestrating their strategy.
Mech vs Mech is pretty good. But the first 15 minutes are so idiotic with the whole hellbat dropping.
People think mech vs mech is just hellbats (its somewhat true only in the early game), but its so much harder than when your sieging / unsieging / all over the place + positioning the tanks etc is alot harder than doing bio drops lol
On July 09 2013 19:32 FakePseudo wrote: Dayumm those TvT are too much fun.
They suck compared to tank marine action.
Not really. Both have different "fun" in spectating.
The HOTS mech vs mech reminds me of BW alot. Lots of drops, denying bases, re-positioning, back and forth etc. Positional wars are so great to watch and it really shows whos better in terms of orchestrating their strategy.
Mech vs Mech is pretty good. But the first 15 minutes are so idiotic with the whole hellbat dropping.
The hellbat dropping was going on all game and its hard to say more harassment is a bad thing.
First - Rain. This is the one I've been looking forward to.
I should root for Rain because First is best at PvT and that is the matchup I do best in. So it would be better to watch more Rain games. But wow First has a great playstyle.
Blizzard should not release the patch tomorrow. The practice will be greatly affected. It will help Bomber though, due to the nature of his play versus Bbyong. I hope we see a good TvT that day...
On July 09 2013 19:58 Wintex wrote: Blizzard should not release the patch tomorrow. The practice will be greatly affected. It will help Bomber though, due to the nature of his play versus Bbyong. I hope we see a good TvT that day...
On July 09 2013 19:52 Abominous wrote: Imagine the semifinals Innovation vs Rain, Flash vs Soulkey! Goosebumps!!!
Goosebumps for me as well. That would make jut about any match a cool finals. Even Flash vs innovation could b cool since it will be post hellbat Nerf.
On July 09 2013 19:58 Wintex wrote: Blizzard should not release the patch tomorrow. The practice will be greatly affected. It will help Bomber though, due to the nature of his play versus Bbyong. I hope we see a good TvT that day...
I keep feeling like Akilon is the new CK in relation to Blink-builds in PvT and PvP. Not as extreme, at least yet, but it's all about denying the natural.
Even though it's pointless to say, I wish they'd just remove hellbats... they're just a attack move unit while hellions actually need micro and what not. I know it won't happen because blizzard refuses to admit they made a mistake.
On July 09 2013 19:52 Abominous wrote: Imagine the semifinals Innovation vs Rain, Flash vs Soulkey! Goosebumps!!!
Goosebumps for me as well. That would make jut about any match a cool finals. Even Flash vs innovation could b cool since it will be post hellbat Nerf.
Hey guys, so I haven't had internet for a bit and have missed most of the OSL coverage by gom and ongame. Can I get a brief "Who does what better / in comparison to one another?" (without being caster bash-y or anything which is commonly how people like to compare streams =/ )
On July 09 2013 19:58 Wintex wrote: Blizzard should not release the patch tomorrow. The practice will be greatly affected. It will help Bomber though, due to the nature of his play versus Bbyong. I hope we see a good TvT that day...
On July 09 2013 19:52 Abominous wrote: Imagine the semifinals Innovation vs Rain, Flash vs Soulkey! Goosebumps!!!
Goosebumps for me as well. That would make jut about any match a cool finals. Even Flash vs innovation could b cool since it will be post hellbat Nerf.
On July 09 2013 20:04 Latto wrote: Even though it's pointless to say, I wish they'd just remove hellbats... they're just a attack move unit while hellions actually need micro and what not. I know it won't happen because blizzard refuses to admit they made a mistake.
Im going to play the devils advocate and say that hellbat drops in the previous match was more interesting than massing cols for the ultimate doom push...
On July 09 2013 20:19 Big-t wrote: During the fight Rain vs First in front of First´s natural, did First just fly a WP onto Rains army and warped in units?? Holy S***!
Both of them did that. But First had archons to attack the WP. Rain had like some sentries.
I dunno... I didn't think that game was that bad. It was war of the worlds but at least some other stuff was happening.
I'm just sad neither player switched into tempests which was happening a lot recently and really opened the match-up up. I wonder if something changed in the meta-game?
I think reason he wanted to take that engagement in open was because he was killing the robos so he could remake his colossus count faster if the armies reset. Then of course during engagement he killed his ability to make any more colossus so it went better then expected.
First has been beastly since spring of 2012, it's just that he wasn't under the spotlight for a while. Always been a great player ever since his breakthrough performance at MLG, stomping the tournament from the lower bracket.
Why do I hear so often that it is not a good idea to build a VR out of my SG as first unit? I really like going 1 gate SG with 1-2 VRs to secure my natural. Platium - Diamond tough...
On July 09 2013 20:33 Daswollvieh wrote: Rain is clearly not used to players being as smart as he is. Eventually he´ll adapt and come out stronger from it. Evo-Rain!
No. Clearly he's not. I mean he doesn't play, and usually ACE for SKT1 Every week does he? What a dumb comment. On top of the fact game 1 was close and 2 was a build order loss..
For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
On July 09 2013 20:34 Dodgin wrote: First UNDEFEATED in OSL, GODLY.
Same with INnoVation and SuperNova
Supernova hasn't played his second ro16 match yet has he?
Being tied with the #1 player in the world on that point is pretty good, First is also Protoss which we all know has more trouble being consistent in individual leagues.
On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
It's pretty unlikely to be a mind game in the current meta though, you never see players hiding pylons to throw the other player off.
There was that one time Mvp hid two SCV's in his base as his opponent scouted him, that was pretty sick, but we don't see that level of mindgames often.
On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
True, but it was probably the reason he went for the Phoenix. If there is no Oracle coming it's not TOO bad for him and if one's coming he winsthe game instantly.
On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
You're right, it could be mindgames. But we've never seen that before and I don't see why it would have suddenly happened this game.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
On July 09 2013 20:37 Zenbrez wrote: For people that might not have noticed, Artosis apparently didn't, First didn't blindly go pheonix vs proxy oracle. He scouted a missing pylon, which usually means proxy oracles - he doesn't even need to scout the stargate to know that. Also him stocking his pheonix' are a good indicator, instead of scouting right away with the first (because that would risk dying to DTs)
A missing pylon could mean anything it doesn't necessarily mean proxy stargate, it also could just be a mindgame, Artosis said this before as well.
You're right, it could be mindgames. But we've never seen that before and I don't see why it would have suddenly happened this game.
I'm actually surprised we don't see proxy pylons to mess with their opponents heads more often.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
Mapscores will not be counted in OSL.
If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
How is that 100%? Hyvva win fantasy and first, Rain win Fantasy, 3 way tie with 2-1.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
Mapscores will not be counted in OSL.
If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
It could still be a 3 way tie at 2-1 between rain fantasy and first.
On July 09 2013 20:36 Tanzklaue wrote: watch first getting still ranked lower than rain in the next power rank :/
I think Jaedong should also be above Innovation. He's better, honest. He took one game off him.
First is the best Protoss overall right now, imo. He just killed everyone in every MU so far :-P
He might not be the best but he is really good and something about IM players and individual leagues that's a mystery always makes their players look stronger.
On July 09 2013 20:34 Dodgin wrote: First UNDEFEATED in OSL, GODLY.
Same with INnoVation and SuperNova
Supernova hasn't played his second ro16 match yet has he?
Being tied with the #1 player in the world on that point is pretty good, First is also Protoss which we all know has more trouble being consistent in individual leagues.
You know. I wanna mention the last match INnoVation has to play and say that he's gonna lose that because of the hellbat nerf, but I can't say anything positive about the other player so yeah. hellbat nerf is going to affect that game more than any other variable.
SuperNova and First are playing incredibly well. They are going to win something soon. If both of them reach the Ro4, I predict them in the finals.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
Mapscores will not be counted in OSL.
If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
It could still be a 3 way tie at 2-1 between rain fantasy and first.
Can't be these 3. Hyvva will have to be in picture for this to be a 3 way tie.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
hyvaa > fantasy Rain > fantasy First < hyvaa
there we have a tiebreaker between hyvaa, Rain, First both going 2-1
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
Mapscores will not be counted in OSL.
If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
It could still be a 3 way tie at 2-1 between rain fantasy and first.
That's impossible, because First beat Fantasy and Rain (-> Better H2H) . Hyvaa has to be involved in a 3-way-tie.
On July 09 2013 20:40 Darkthorn wrote: First is through no matter what now...because he 2-0ed both Fantasy and Rain and his map differential should be good enough for at least 2nd place.
Mapscores will not be counted in OSL.
If that is the case he is 100% in the ro8.
It could still be a 3 way tie at 2-1 between rain fantasy and first.
Can't be these 3. Hyvva will have to be in picture for this to be a 3 way tie.
oh you are right, my bad, fantasy and rain can't both get 2-1. so it looks like one of the SKT players will be eliminated for sure unless It's a 3 way tie between the bottom 3. but then I guess one of them is eliminated anyway.
rain can get 2-1 if he beats fantasy, but then fantasy will be 1-2.
I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
On July 09 2013 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
On July 09 2013 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
My beloved MVP and IM, AZUBU and ST to join proleague for 12 team league again! :D
On July 09 2013 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
....IM doing well in a team league?
I think pro-league is more suited to LGIM than GSTL.
They have a lot of smart players and a great coach for individual games.
On July 09 2013 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
....IM doing well in a team league?
I'm sure they would put a lot more effort into pro league.
On July 09 2013 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
....IM doing well in a team league?
sure why not? they did really well in IPL's team leagues, It's not like they are automatically bad at teamleagues.
even better, in the proleague format the coach can't go full IM coach and send out the wrong player last(cough mc).
On July 09 2013 20:49 DJHelium wrote: Missed First vs Rain, how were the games? Really expected Rain to win!
Rain got outplayed pretty badly. I don't understand his need to proxy something every game First scouted both his proxy stargate and proxy Dark Shrine. After that he was behind so he just rolled over and died. Game 2, Rain channeled his inner Hongun and made nothing but blink stalkers...transition to die.
On July 09 2013 20:49 Dodgin wrote: I really hope IM will somehow end up in proleague next season, I think they could do really well with an A team of Mvp, Yoda, First, Yonghwa, Squirtle, Losira
....IM doing well in a team league?
sure why not? they did really well in IPL's team leagues, It's not like they are automatically bad at teamleagues.
even better, in the proleague format the coach can't go full IM coach and send out the wrong player last(cough mc).
haha, well he actually could send the wrong player last
On July 09 2013 20:49 DJHelium wrote: Missed First vs Rain, how were the games? Really expected Rain to win!
Rain got outplayed pretty badly. I don't understand his need to proxy something every game First scouted both his proxy stargate and proxy Dark Shrine. After that he was behind so he just rolled over and died. Game 2, Rain channeled his inner Hongun and made nothing but blink stalkers...transition to die.
On July 09 2013 20:49 DJHelium wrote: Missed First vs Rain, how were the games? Really expected Rain to win!
Rain got outplayed pretty badly. I don't understand his need to proxy something every game First scouted both his proxy stargate and proxy Dark Shrine. After that he was behind so he just rolled over and died. Game 2, Rain channeled his inner Hongun and made nothing but blink stalkers...transition to die.
On July 09 2013 20:49 DJHelium wrote: Missed First vs Rain, how were the games? Really expected Rain to win!
Rain got outplayed pretty badly. I don't understand his need to proxy something every game First scouted both his proxy stargate and proxy Dark Shrine. After that he was behind so he just rolled over and died. Game 2, Rain channeled his inner Hongun and made nothing but blink stalkers...transition to die.
I dont think we watched the same games Game 1 Rain choked on the ramp with a slight supply advantage, proceeded to mess up his game to zealots harassment & eventually DT Game 2 Rain's proxy oracle countered by phoenixes, Rain made last-ditch attempt with blink stalker into gg
On July 09 2013 20:49 DJHelium wrote: Missed First vs Rain, how were the games? Really expected Rain to win!
Rain got outplayed pretty badly. I don't understand his need to proxy something every game First scouted both his proxy stargate and proxy Dark Shrine. After that he was behind so he just rolled over and died. Game 2, Rain channeled his inner Hongun and made nothing but blink stalkers...transition to die.
I dont think we watched the same games Game 1 Rain choked on the ramp with a slight supply advantage, proceeded to mess up his game to zealots harassment & eventually DT Game 2 Rain's proxy oracle countered by phoenixes, Rain made last-ditch attempt with blink stalker into gg
On July 09 2013 21:16 Dodgin wrote: you can't recover from losing half your army like that in the middle of that map as roach hydra corruptor vs protoss, ridiculous mistake.
that was bad play start to end. From falling behind in workers against a gateway opening to bad control to bad decisions (starting hydras after colossi are out, going corruptors over vipers...)
On July 09 2013 21:17 neoghaleon55 wrote: why doesn't zerg just mass muta again? I feel like the correct response to 2 base 1 starport phoenix play is to go up to 4 bases and spire.
Idk, in the last 2 games Losira was in constant fear. How can you muta against this?
rock solid play by Trap. This game pretty much shows how you can absolutely roll over a zerg if you play a solid style with Protoss. Though I have to say Kangho played very poorly and Trap made all the right decisions.
Losira playing ZvP like it's WoL. Double Time warp will never, ever allow you to beat Stalker Colossus with Roach Hydra Corruptor on anywhere near even supply due to how the Colossus will always shred your ground army in time before they die. The Hyun style of super fast Hive + Vipers is much, much better.
On July 09 2013 21:22 SlixSC wrote: rock solid play by Trap. This game pretty much shows how you can absolutely roll over a zerg if you play a solid style with Protoss. Though I have to say Kangho played very poorly and Trap made all the right decisions.
Trap really seems like the #1 Solid timing push Protoss. Nothing fancy, but very effective.
On July 09 2013 21:22 SlixSC wrote: rock solid play by Trap. This game pretty much shows how you can absolutely roll over a zerg if you play a solid style with Protoss. Though I have to say Kangho played very poorly and Trap made all the right decisions.
Trap really seems like the #1 Solid timing push Protoss. Nothing fancy, but very effective.
Yeah he seems to have a deeper understanding of Protoss than most other players, especially in PvZ. He forced alot of lings and subsequently abandoned his plan of warping in zealots, pulled back his army and lost nothing and got ahead economically.
It's decisions like this that make his timing attacks so much stronger, almost every other protoss player just goes "herp derp my plan was to warp in zealots, so I will do that, even though I just forced 30 lings and will get crushed." I really hope other protoss players watch this game and start to understanding the significance of decisions like this and how you can force zerg to make units and how protoss is flexible enough to change from a very aggressive playstyle to super passivity.
While the game wasn't very entertaining there is alot protoss players can learn from it, so I definitely think it should be recommended.
On July 09 2013 21:22 SlixSC wrote: rock solid play by Trap. This game pretty much shows how you can absolutely roll over a zerg if you play a solid style with Protoss. Though I have to say Kangho played very poorly and Trap made all the right decisions.
Trap really seems like the #1 Solid timing push Protoss. Nothing fancy, but very effective.
Yeah he seems to have a deeper understanding of Protoss than most other players, especially in PvZ. He forced alot of lings and subsequently abandoned his plan of warping in zealots, pulled back his army and lost nothing and got ahead economically.
It's decisions like this that make his timing attacks so much stronger, almost every other protoss player just goes "herp derp my plan was to warp in zealots, so I will do that, even though I just forced 30 lings and will get crushed." I really hope other protoss players watch this game and start to understanding the significance of decisions like this and how you can force zerg to make units and how protoss is flexible enough to change from a very aggressive playstyle to super passivity.
While the game wasn't very entertaining there is alot protoss players can learn from it, so I definitely think it should be recommended.
Spot on. To win vs this kind of style as zerg, I think staying 2 base for a longer time is almost necessary. It's somewhat ironic that Losira lost to it, since he's famous for making mass queens, which is good against it, as long as you have a spine.
I may have just been hit on by an antisemitic, gay Palestinian. The conversation I had with him was one of the most hilarious ones I've ever experienced
On July 09 2013 21:16 c0ldfusion wrote: oh noes, first beat rain? Dang... didn't see that coming.
then u probably got caught up in the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHINGBUTKESPA" hype train
Then u probably got on the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHING" train.
I like how this stacks up with your posting history
Yes, like previous post is better.
An eye for an eye, I like it.
Thanks. That's why I post, make people happy.
Hmm, I'd rate you about a 6/10 on the Enjoy-o-meter. You know how to stir things up, but you lack an incisive wit, an encyclopedic knowledge of history, or a puntastic catch phrase to put you over the top.
But if your puns are like stOrm's, you get a 4/10 bec they are horrible
On July 09 2013 21:16 c0ldfusion wrote: oh noes, first beat rain? Dang... didn't see that coming.
then u probably got caught up in the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHINGBUTKESPA" hype train
Then u probably got on the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHING" train.
I like how this stacks up with your posting history
Yes, like previous post is better.
An eye for an eye, I like it.
Thanks. That's why I post, make people happy.
Hmm, I'd rate you about a 6/10 on the Enjoy-o-meter. You know how to stir things up, but you lack an incisive wit, an encyclopedic knowledge of history, or a puntastic catch phrase to put you over the top.
But if your puns are like stOrm's, you get a 4/10 bec they are horrible
That's because you repeat everything obvious with your opinion, follow majority opinion, make safe judgement. Never have creative insightful things to say, looks like a person with no opinion, or no guts to express them. Hate risk takers, always hide behind your sarcasm.
Let me ask you, why don't you pick on the poster above me? Because he said things you want to say but have no guts to say. In this case, he's a courageous better person than you hypocrite.
On July 09 2013 21:16 c0ldfusion wrote: oh noes, first beat rain? Dang... didn't see that coming.
then u probably got caught up in the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHINGBUTKESPA" hype train
Then u probably got on the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHING" train.
I like how this stacks up with your posting history
Yes, like previous post is better.
An eye for an eye, I like it.
Thanks. That's why I post, make people happy.
Hmm, I'd rate you about a 6/10 on the Enjoy-o-meter. You know how to stir things up, but you lack an incisive wit, an encyclopedic knowledge of history, or a puntastic catch phrase to put you over the top.
But if your puns are like stOrm's, you get a 4/10 bec they are horrible
That's because you repeat everything obvious with your opinion, follow majority opinion, make safe judgement. Never have creative insightful things to say, looks like a person with no opinion, or no guts to express them. Hate risk takers, always hide behind your sarcasm.
Let me ask you, why don't you pick on the poster above me? Because he said things you want to say but have no guts to say. In this case, he's a courageous better person than you hypocrite.
Eh, I'm probably more of on the middle ground, since I love both games instead of just one or the other. That's why I'm pretty relaxed about the whole deal and make fun of whoever has the more blatant or objectionable position. You should see me make fun of Startale fans or DRG fans or anyonethatisn'tIMfans. Or make fun of Bisu (okay admittedly that's pretty easy).
I make fun of you a lot because you go out of your way to make a scene. TL would be a lot less fun if your jibes didn't get a response, or if we didn't have sarcastic, pointless banter. I don't know why you are so upset that I respond to you when you make those comments to get a reaction
Anyway, no need to call someone a coward and a hypocrite just because they are nice on TL
On July 09 2013 23:19 AlternativeEgo wrote: Do I smell a grudgematch brewing?
If he can give me a few days of practice we can grudgematch BW and SC2! And maybe Dota2 but I haven't tried that yet (sorry Lose-tex [see what I did there])
On July 09 2013 21:16 c0ldfusion wrote: oh noes, first beat rain? Dang... didn't see that coming.
then u probably got caught up in the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHINGBUTKESPA" hype train
Ah, yes. Please tell me which eSF player will win this OSL.
What has that to do with anything? Everyone that watched First for a while knows he is really good and the last months really proved that so its not that hard to see him beating Rain.
On July 09 2013 21:16 c0ldfusion wrote: oh noes, first beat rain? Dang... didn't see that coming.
then u probably got caught up in the teamliquid "WEKNOWNOTHINGBUTKESPA" hype train
Ah, yes. Please tell me which eSF player will win this OSL.
Well, First definitely looks like he could. Maybe Supernova too but didn't see his games just his results.
The other potential ESF players are mostly playing NA or EU WCS... (primarily thinking of MVP here).
so 4th GSL/OSL/WCS win in a row?
Hm? I'm not sure I see what you are saying here.
Maybe I'm missing something.
Just seemed like you were making excuses for eSF not to win this one, though it will be the 4th KeSPA wins in a row.
He's actually not making any excuse for anybody. He's just not enough of an asshole to think he can predict the future with 100% accuracy and make statements using these predictions. Don't be surprised if nobody cares about what you say if you are that obnoxious when confronted.
On July 10 2013 02:50 Just_a_Moth wrote: So is it time the first protoss to win WCS Korea in Hots?
Silly person, only protosses with special super powers can win in Korea. MC summoned the power of the gods of all ins, Seed stole his opponents' souls. Parting had the power of the soul train but he failed to make it count.
I'm still waiting for the day when HerO's power of holding the most ridiculous attacks finally prevails and leads him to korean glory. He has the power to beat Rock with Scissors.
Rain has macro power which we all know doesn't help you win tournaments :/
On July 10 2013 02:50 Just_a_Moth wrote: So is it time the first protoss to win WCS Korea in Hots?
Silly person, only protosses with special super powers can win in Korea. MC summoned the power of the gods of all ins, Seed stole his opponents' souls. Parting had the power of the soul train but he failed to make it count.
I'm still waiting for the day when HerO's power of holding the most ridiculous attacks finally prevails and leads him to korean glory. He has the power to beat Rock with Scissors.
Rain has macro power which we all know doesn't help you win tournaments :/
On July 10 2013 02:50 Just_a_Moth wrote: So is it time the first protoss to win WCS Korea in Hots?
Silly person, only protosses with special super powers can win in Korea. MC summoned the power of the gods of all ins, Seed stole his opponents' souls. Parting had the power of the soul train but he failed to make it count.
I'm still waiting for the day when HerO's power of holding the most ridiculous attacks finally prevails and leads him to korean glory. He has the power to beat Rock with Scissors.
Rain has macro power which we all know doesn't help you win tournaments :/
On July 10 2013 02:50 Just_a_Moth wrote: So is it time the first protoss to win WCS Korea in Hots?
Silly person, only protosses with special super powers can win in Korea. MC summoned the power of the gods of all ins, Seed stole his opponents' souls. Parting had the power of the soul train but he failed to make it count.
I'm still waiting for the day when HerO's power of holding the most ridiculous attacks finally prevails and leads him to korean glory. He has the power to beat Rock with Scissors.
Rain has macro power which we all know doesn't help you win tournaments :/
way to forget Creator
Who is slumping hard, isn't he?
But he won a korean championship. I assume he's talking about all time wins since he's talking about MC's all ins and Seed's wins
On July 10 2013 02:50 Just_a_Moth wrote: So is it time the first protoss to win WCS Korea in Hots?
Silly person, only protosses with special super powers can win in Korea. MC summoned the power of the gods of all ins, Seed stole his opponents' souls. Parting had the power of the soul train but he failed to make it count.
I'm still waiting for the day when HerO's power of holding the most ridiculous attacks finally prevails and leads him to korean glory. He has the power to beat Rock with Scissors.
Rain has macro power which we all know doesn't help you win tournaments :/
way to forget Creator
I dunno, Creator never really stood out to me as a guy with a certain super power. He double forged a lot and had really strong PvP. He was like a mini version of Rain and now he disappeared right when Seed is starting to show up again. Coincidence? I think not
Yeah, talking about GSL. And now that they merged into one tournament with different format (>_>), OSL.
On July 10 2013 01:54 Jmanthedragonguy wrote: What happened in Rain vs. First? Can someone give a super quick recap? ^^
Game 1: First went for proxy dts but was scouted by Rain's msc so he cancelled and expanded instead. both went double robo colossus, took their 3rds then Rain attempted an attack up Firsts natural ramp on akilon which didn't turn out too well for him. after that First started harassing with immortal / zealot warp prism play, took a 4th and continued harassing with dts which just did too much damage economically to Rain. there was a small engagement near Firsts side of the map which was fairly close but First had done too much damage to Rain by that point so he gg'd.
Game 2: Rain opened with proxy stargate oracles but First decided to make a stargate of his own in his main and had two phoenix out by the time Rains first oracle got to his base, 2nd oracle had to be cancelled as the phoenix found the stargate and sat on top of it. Rain went for blink and started taking down the rocks at Firsts natural to open up an attack path. both expanded but Rains was a bit later and he stopped probe production soon after and tried for a blink all in. his first attempt came close to winning but by the time he went for a second attack first had too many immortals and Rains attack was shut down quite easily.
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